Wife and my Dad

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Re: Wife and my Dad

Unread post by curiousdave » Sun May 27, 2012 2:02 pm

TheSubmissiveCuckold wrote:Thanks Dave. I second your thoughts about your dad taking the alpha role. If he can settle into it and be comfortable with it, great. I can see everyone falling into a role, actually. You'd be submissive to Jenna. Jenna would be submissive to your dad. He'd gradually assume a dominant role with you, as well - possibly have you clean up. Yeah.. its out there, but if it's what you want and feels right.. hope for the best. I personally think it's one of the hottest things I can imagine.

Yeah we are so early into all this. No way of knowing exactly where we are heading. I know where I'd like it to go but I am just one party in all this. I'm not even in the main 2 decision makers about it. I hope my opinions will always matter but I am really in the backseat here. She's in control as far as I see it and obviously once it becomes out in the open (if it does) he will become a decision maker as well. I just have to roll with things and hope for the best. I see how things could go bad for all involved, especially myself. But I am trying not to dwell on those thoughts and just enjoy the ride right now. Jenna has been nothing but loving and sexy and helpful to me in all this. I think she really get's it (or me) and it just happens to be exactly where or how she wants things too...so far anyway. Thanks for your input.

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Re: Wife and my Dad

Unread post by curiousdave » Sun May 27, 2012 2:16 pm

wingman wrote:
curiousdave wrote:......... I do accept her decision and think I always will but I really feel it would be best for him to know all the facts. I don't think any situation can ever be perfect in a situation like this (with who's involved in this particular 3some) but I've thought allot about it, and I just think it would be the best for him to know. .......
Dave -

Both sides of the tell/don't tell debate have valid points. However, at the end of the day you and Jenna are the only ones able to make the right decision for you both. As such I won't try and provide guidance on which way you should go. Rather my aim with this post is to suggest one possible "happy ending" for each choice.

Should you choose to keep John in the dark....
I would recommend using "strategic planning talks" between you and Jenna to guide the course of their relationship (to the degree possible). That way each of you gets their fun, and when it starts to get too complicated, you'll have an exit strategy in place that will let Dad down easy (e.g. ramp up your time spent with Dad, Jenna can then claim its getting too hard and express the need to end it... on good terms).

Should you choose to tell John.....
It needs to be done in a way that removes any guilt on Dad's part.
I would a recommend a plan where you are the one to tell him, let him know your cool with anything Jenna wants to do, but keep it short-and-sweet... more like a guy to guy talk. Then let Jenna clean up any emotional fallout, and fills in the details about how much you like it.

With this approach, execution is everything, and the devil is in the details. So here is a more elaborate plan than I offered for "keeping it a secret".

One approach to letting John in on the secret could be to......

First, set the stage, and here is what you'll need.....
  • 1 A fabricated "rash of break-ins in the neighborhood" story
    2 A fabricated 3-day business trip that is last minute and ruins plans you and Jenna had for a romantic evening.
    3 A store near where John lives that gives you a reason to go there, and a reason to stop by his house on the way home.
    4 For Jenna to whip up his favorite dinner, and have it ready to bring over on queue.
    5 An day when John is sure to be home around dinner time.
    6 A whole big pile of "George Cloony/Oceans Eleven" 'Cool', topped of with a slight touch of "cat that ate the canary"
OK.. now execute the plan.....

Part 1 - The setup....
A few days prior to telling John....
  • 1 Have Jenna arrange to go have sex with John.
    2 During her visit, she should tell John about the rash of break ins in your neighborhood and that she doesn't feel safe at home alone (dad may jokingly say she can stay with him anytime she needs to feel safe... LOL for both of them)
Part 2 - The Delivery...the one two punch....
On the day your going to tell John....
  • Punch one... you tell John you know in a 'guy to guy' type conversation. This keeps your dignity and leaving him a bit frazzled.
    1 Anytime - Have Jenna make John his favorite dinner, and have dinner ready to go by 5:00
    2 Around 4:00 - You go to the store and pick up something for him (i.e. an excuse to drop by)as well as yourself (rationalize the store visit)
    3 Drive to 1 block from John's house and call him to say your stopping by for a second to drop something off and ask him a favor (this could make him nervous)
    4 Stop by John's place, but before you go in... call Jenna and tell her to bring dinner over, text you when she arrives, and wait at the door until you open it.
    5 Once inside, give John the item you bought from the store and make some small talk until you get Jenna's text. (John will still think somethings up)
    6 Now is the time to get "in character" with some Oceans Eleven "cool"!!!
    7 Ask John if he can do you a favor (he will say 'of course' of course).
    8 Tell John you have to go on a last-minute business trip and that you feel bad because your plans with Jenna got ruined and she does not feel safe alone in the house due to the neighborhood break-ins.
    9 Then ask John if he can 'take care of Jenna' while your gone, 'make sure she enjoys herself', and suggest he offer to let her stay at his place until you return. Most likely, John won't be able to completely hide his excitement and finding your request amusing... the stage is set!!
    10 When John responds "of course" accompanied by a bigger-than-he-should-have-grin", that's your queue to lay it on him!!
    11 Next, with a cool, cat-that-ate-the-canary look...say "I see from that grin you've been enjoying yourself as much as Jenna has". John will get a confused/scared look on his face, but will likely remain silent for a moment.
    12 Pause for a moment, give a big smile and say "yea, I've been on board with you and Jenna from the start. But no worries, I'm cool with it. Jenna and I talked it over at length when I first suggested she go for it. I also told her I'm cool with you and her doing anything she wants, as doing it as often as she wants." John will likely have a really confused look on his face now.
    13 After another short pause, finish out by saying (again with a big ole grin) "gota run....O-Yea, Jenna will be here with dinner any time now"
    14 Open the door and pretend to be surprised to see Jenna.
    15 Jenna should then walk in with a big smile, say "Hi hon", give you a quick kiss on the lips. and say "well if it isn't my two favorite studs". She should then finish up by saying to you "I brought Big John a good meal so he can get his strength back. I left yours on the table back home." She should then walk past you towards John, stop after a few steps, turn to you and say "don't wait up, I'll may be late"
    16 You laugh, smile, and say to Jenna "OK babe, wake me when you get home". Then say to the both of them "you two have fun, and don't wake the neighbors"
    17 Jenna should then laugh and say "no promises"
    18 You then leave... end of punch one.

    Punch two....Jenna smooths the emotional backlash and fill in the kinkier facts
    1 Jenna goes in a puts out dinner like nothing has happened.
    2 At dinner, Jenna should say "so he decided to let the cat out of the bag. I'm sorry we didn't tell you earlier, but Dave needed to figure out the best way... guess he did that. Anyway, he is cool with everything we are doing. In fact, it was his idea that I pursue the attraction we have. Given what you and I felt, and what he felt, Dave thought it was a win-win for everyone."
    3 At that point, she should ask for John's thoughts and engage him in some discussion on the topic. During that discussion she should convey the following during the course of the conversation....
    • a that you had always wanted share her with another man, and this seemed like the perfect opportunity.
      b that you get extremely turned by her being with John, and that your relationship with Jenna is now stronger than ever.
      c that you wanted to have this out in the open (between the three of you) so her and John can explore this as much as the want, as often as they want.
      d that she tells you most of the details so you can vicariously partake in the fun.
      e if Jenna feels John is handling it well, she could elect to convey that you like to get verbally teased with her being serviced by a bigger well-hung stud (that should replace any frown left on John's face with a big ole smile)
      f that this is living out a fantasy, not a lifestyle you guys will maintain permanently.
    4. Jenna should then tell John she will be back after work tomorrow and is his for the next 2 days. So they have 2 days to talk through everything, and have fun
    5. Jenna should then Fuck your John's brains out, come home and tell you all about it.
    6. She should then pack a bag to stay at Johns, and go over there after work. She will be his for 2 days.
You can either stay home, or go visit somewhere for 2 days. Either way, when Jenna gets home... you''ll have a month's worth of writing to catch up!!!!


Hopefully you will find some aspect of these two plans useful in deciding and moving down whichever road you choose.

Good luck and I'll look forward to tomorrow's installment.

BTW - Yesterdays posts were at 1:30am EDT.... Dude, no wonder your tired... livin the dream by day/evening... writing about it all night!! Get some sleep!!


Flyin under the radar....

Your Wingman

Wow wingman, that's quite the elaborate plan right there. I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into it and for all I know it would work. It's certainly an interesting plan and it would be fun to see the results first hand. But at this moment I am just going to let Jenna decide when and where and how. I think that's the safest bet for me right now. I do appreciate all that hard work though. Shows how much you really care and think about my life to work all that up for me. Thanks buddy.

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Re: Wife and my Dad

Unread post by jrandmustang » Sun May 27, 2012 2:32 pm

Holy cow, this thread is a veritable kaleidoscope. I keep meaning to post, but every day the conditions seem different.

So first, a belated congratulations and thank you to Dave for continuing to post. Every time he disappears for a couple of days, I worry ... because even though he survived taking this crazy fantasy into reality, he's still playing with what most of us would consider to be fire. But as we've just read, Dave has a holocaust cloak and the fire is compelling to him.

Second, I want to agree with HerLittleGuy's approach to telling Dad. And of course, Dad's reaction is STILL the wild card here.

And then I was GOING to say that part of Dave's genius in this thread is his ability to let each of us kind of project our own favorite fantasy onto his situation. I think his latest posts may give some of the "hotwife-hubbies-who-aren't-cuckolds" the heebie-jeebies. As a cuckold, of course, I'm excited by where this is going ... obviously, Jenna is taking to being a domme like a duck to water. She obviously loves Dave, and "gets" his fetish, and is enjoying herself AND giving him what he craves.

We know that Dave didn't move overnight from hubby with a fantasy, to cuckold in denial. But it is telling that after Jenna's first night with Dad, she came back to David and, rather than inviting him to reclaim her, she cloaked herself in a long t-shirt and just cuddled. And after Jenna's second night with Dad, she leaned back against the patio railing, smoking and teasing, causing Dave to spurt his semen onto the patio deck while Dad's was percolating in her stomach and her womb ...

It seems Jenna can read Dave like a book. What a lucky guy ....

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Re: Wife and my Dad

Unread post by wingman » Sun May 27, 2012 2:35 pm

curiousdave wrote:Hey guy's I'm sorry I never posted my update yesterday. Things came up I wasn't expecting and time got away from me. I am hoping I can get it done tonight sometime. No promises but I'll try.

Very quickly though, I want to tell you about a little happening last night. Last night in bed we were discussing things and I decided to tell her about that dream I had had where she was my mom and dad was dad and they were scolding me for not doing a job I was supposed too. I had been really nervous about telling her that not because anything in the dream really but just how it makes me feel. I thought maybe she would think I was weird for finding it a turn on. Anyway I should have known better. She didn't find me weird at all or at least didn't act like I was. She ended up asking me if I wanted to eat "Mommy's pussy" for her! Fucking A, I was ecstatic! I really wasn't expecting that reaction from her at all. I thought I'd admit my little dream and admit it turned me on and she would listen and maybe talk about it a little but I didn't think she would run with it so fast. It was such an amazing turn on hearing her ask me that. Of course I went down on her immediately and enthusiastically . After I ate her to a nice orgasm she said she wanted to watch me jack off for her. I don't have time right now but after the first night update I have promised over and over I'll go more into last night. it was fucking hot. Be back soon :)
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Look back at our exchange several pages ago if my next statement confuses you.

TOLD YOU SO!!!
Your interest, and latent submissive desires, were appearent when you first described your dream (at least to me). Her reaction to your dream is exact what I expected, given what she has to date: a) agreed to do, and b) done on her own. Like we have all said before, Enjoy the ride!!!!! And know that your "Wingman" has your back! I await your next installment with bated breath (ok panting). But first and foremost, enjoy the weekend! Is it sunny where you are?

Wingman

Ps: is Jenna's dad still doing ok?
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Re: Wife and my Dad

Unread post by curiousdave » Sun May 27, 2012 3:10 pm

jrandmustang wrote: We know that Dave didn't move overnight from hubby with a fantasy, to cuckold in denial. But it is telling that after Jenna's first night with Dad, she came back to David and, rather than inviting him to reclaim her, she cloaked herself in a long t-shirt and just cuddled. And after Jenna's second night with Dad, she leaned back against the patio railing, smoking and teasing, causing Dave to spurt his semen onto the patio deck while Dad's was percolating in her stomach and her womb ...

It seems Jenna can read Dave like a book. What a lucky guy ....
You know when it happen , that first night I really didn't think much of that. I mean it was extremely late, we both were very tired and sexually spent, it just seemed like the normal thing to do. I had a preconceived notion of what the first night may be like but it didn't turn out that way. But later, as I've sat and thought about things, over and over and over again, well I see it now. I mean I see what others have said and thought. I'm not so sure Jenna was making any kind of statement that night other than she was totally exhausted from great sex. But the idea that it was something more has crept into my mind a good bit. Either way I have zero complaints about that night.

As for the night on the deck....WOW! I still relive all that every 10 minutes it seems. I see her walk by me, do this, do that, whatever, and I see her that night....the way she looked and acted. To me in my mind for whatever it's worth, that was sheer Perfection. Perfection of Jenna, perfection of a woman, perfection in every way. She couldn't have been sexier , hell to me no one could have been sexier. That to me was the real starting point for this new relationship. The moment where things seemed to advance to where they should be. I don't know, just a magical moment in my life. Can't wait for the next one, hope there is one that can come close.

LOL If she acts that way, or talks that way or whatever, I'll be happy to shoot all my future loads onto a concrete deck :)

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Unread post by curiousdave » Sun May 27, 2012 3:18 pm

wingman wrote:
curiousdave wrote:Hey guy's I'm sorry I never posted my update yesterday. Things came up I wasn't expecting and time got away from me. I am hoping I can get it done tonight sometime. No promises but I'll try.

Very quickly though, I want to tell you about a little happening last night. Last night in bed we were discussing things and I decided to tell her about that dream I had had where she was my mom and dad was dad and they were scolding me for not doing a job I was supposed too. I had been really nervous about telling her that not because anything in the dream really but just how it makes me feel. I thought maybe she would think I was weird for finding it a turn on. Anyway I should have known better. She didn't find me weird at all or at least didn't act like I was. She ended up asking me if I wanted to eat "Mommy's pussy" for her! Fucking A, I was ecstatic! I really wasn't expecting that reaction from her at all. I thought I'd admit my little dream and admit it turned me on and she would listen and maybe talk about it a little but I didn't think she would run with it so fast. It was such an amazing turn on hearing her ask me that. Of course I went down on her immediately and enthusiastically . After I ate her to a nice orgasm she said she wanted to watch me jack off for her. I don't have time right now but after the first night update I have promised over and over I'll go more into last night. it was fucking hot. Be back soon :)
Dave
Look back at our exchange several pages ago if my next statement confuses you.

TOLD YOU SO!!!
Your interest, and latent submissive desires, were appearent when you first described your dream (at least to me). Her reaction to your dream is exact what I expected, given what she has to date: a) agreed to do, and b) done on her own. Like we have all said before, Enjoy the ride!!!!! And know that your "Wingman" has your back! I await your next installment with bated breath (ok panting). But first and foremost, enjoy the weekend! Is it sunny where you are?

Wingman

Ps: is Jenna's dad still doing ok?

Weather is great here, even though I've spent most of the day infront of the computer lol. It's very very hot here so it was an easy choice to remain in the AC today. I get plenty of out door time at work. Jenna has been with her mom and sister today, shopping and doing whatever girls do together . Oh also they were stopping by her Granddad's house to visit. He's doing really good. As good as an 80 year old can anyway. Thanks for asking.

Yes I do see where you predicted things and were right. You know I'm still figuring things out and trying to understand it all. I still wouldn't call me submissive , although some submissive elements are starting to surface I guess. I mean in every day life we seem pretty normal and vanilla. But with the newest developments in our life and a little sexual playfulness I guess she's showing a more dominate side to herself which I do find very attractive.

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Re: Wife and my Dad

Unread post by mopacpower » Sun May 27, 2012 4:32 pm

Dave, just got a little confused by the post. I understand your feelings about how they look, women usually look better than most men. Also remember, she married you so she found you attractive.

Question Dave, are you wanting to be a totally cuckold or have a hotwife with multiple partners or just be submissive to your wife and dad?

Loving the post! Keep the story coming.

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Unread post by curiousdave » Sun May 27, 2012 5:03 pm

Observer1931 wrote:I agree, she married YOU for a reason. Do not sell yourself short. Is there a reason that you do not post their first night?

I am not holding back on purpose about the first night. The thing is I keep running into road blocks of various kinds. Number 1 has been time issues. Number 2 is it's not as fresh in my mind now so it makes it way more difficult for me. Number 3 more stuff keeps happening that takes my mind away from that night. I mean I know all the facts but remembering every little detail about how it was said and what I felt becomes fuzzier for me. It's my #1 priority as far as sharing here goes, that's for sure. I just can't seem to get it written out for you guy's. I've tried a few times and I can't seem to keep focused on it like I need to to make it entertaining . Maybe we are at the point now where I just need to lay it all out there, facts wise and move on to the day to day current stuff? I realize a lot of time has passed now and you guy's are justifiably annoyed/anxious whatever. Like I mentioned earlier, I can't go 10 minutes it seems without remembering and getting worked up over our night on the deck. Man this stuff is awesome but it can be distracting also lol.

Jenna will be home soon and I'll see how my night plays out. If she ends up in bed early and I am not too tired maybe I'll take another crack at it. I really blew a good opportunity today because I did have the time, just not the focus. :)

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Unread post by curiousdave » Sun May 27, 2012 5:10 pm

mopacpower wrote:Dave, just got a little confused by the post. I understand your feelings about how they look, women usually look better than most men. Also remember, she married you so she found you attractive.

Question Dave, are you wanting to be a totally cuckold or have a hotwife with multiple partners or just be submissive to your wife and dad?

Loving the post! Keep the story coming.
Well my deal is and always will be what Jenna wants. If she came home tonight and said she met a new guy somewhere and she wanted to be with him, well I would stand by her in that. It wasn't my fantasy for that to happen but I would support her and probably end up very turned on by it as well. But honestly the thing that turns me on the most, is Jenna and Dad together. It's not some thing I worked up in my head for years and years, it's a by-product of watching them interact, flirt, socialize so on. It stemmed from seeing them together because I could actually feel the heat, the simmering intensity they were feeling for each other. I didn't just want Jenna with any ole man, it was them, together that got me, hooked me in. But like I said, whatever she wants is what I will want. I would feel real disappointment if she no longer wanted him and wanted someone else, but I'd live with it I'm sure.

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Re: Wife and my Dad

Unread post by creampiecurious » Sun May 27, 2012 5:49 pm

Dave, you're a fucking pervert! I'm liking you more and more each day!! :D
Seriously, you are one lucky man. Jenna seems to be such a wonderful fit for you. She takes your comments at face value and runs with them! I wish my wife was 1/100th as adventurous. And yes, I understand some aspects of your fetishes. We think more alike than you might think. I'm extremely jealous that you've arrived "home."
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Re: Wife and my Dad

Unread post by frank22 » Sun May 27, 2012 7:48 pm

Hi Dave,

I know you don't want a "normal" marriage, but I believe if you continue on this current course, you will have no marriage. Do you really want to risk destroying your marriage over a fantasy? It seems you eagerly want your wife to fall in love with your dad and that you don't care about the potential consequences (mainly Jenna leaving you for dad). This is very self-destructive. I think best case scenario is that this ends up being a fling and your dad starts to date other women at some point. The longer this goes on, the more potential it has of blowing up in your face.

I know people on here will argue that nothing bad will come of this cuckold arrangement because Dave has a strong marriage. Seriously? I think if (or when) Jenna and Dave's father fall in love, it's game over. Sure, things might go on a little longer, but the end result will be divorce and Jenna marrying your dad. This is real life and there's no way this arrangement will work out in the long run.

I recognize that the train has left the station so to speak, and it would be nigh impossible to get your wife to end the affair with your dad at this moment. That being said, I think its best if Jenna and your dad's relationship remains in "secret affair mode". The more they are openly encouraged to spend more time together, there is more risk they will develop deeper feelings for each other. I don't see this as a good thing. It's better if they just see each other maybe once a week. I know basically everyone who reads this post will disagree with me, but I feel there needed to be more contrarian viewpoints on this thread and less high-fiving.

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Unread post by armyguyot1 » Sun May 27, 2012 8:56 pm

I think some people are reading way too much into this. Your wife had a chance to have a fling with and intriguing older man. He's too old for her in the long run but a a fun fuck. She's your wife and will be as long as you don't push her away. She's a girl that wants to have fun. Have fun with her. If you're worried about your income take some night classes and raise it. Do it together. Make some plans with Jenna on where you want to go and I mean the whole package. That what couples do. What are her fantasies and desires. This was your fantasy and she accommodated. What would she like. I noticed she didn't protest too much and she is one hot woman but I wouldn't read too much into it. If it gets too complicated its not fun and then its work. This is suppose to be fun for hubby and wife. She is your wife. By choice. Hers. Still.

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Unread post by Max_Devli » Sun May 27, 2012 9:21 pm

I think some people are reading way too much into this. Your wife had a chance to have a fling with and intriguing older man. He's too old for her in the long run but a a fun fuck. She's your wife and will be as long as you don't push her away. She's a girl that wants to have fun. Have fun with her. If you're worried about your income take some night classes and raise it. Do it together. Make some plans with Jenna on where you want to go and I mean the whole package. That what couples do. What are her fantasies and desires. This was your fantasy and she accommodated. What would she like. I noticed she didn't protest too much and she is one hot woman but I wouldn't read too much into it. If it gets too complicated its not fun and then its work. This is suppose to be fun for hubby and wife. She is your wife. By choice. Hers. Still.
I think the only thing we can read into this is that Dave is going to continue to quietly or overtly keep attempting to have his ultimate fantasy come closer to fruition.

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I've read through this thread and get the forbidden fruit fantasy, but think things are going a little over the edge (at least in Dave's desires and hopes). Also, Dave posted somewhere above that he was only a backseat driver, and had no responsibility for the wife and dad's plans. Considering that Dave has orchestrated this affair into life, I find that hilarious. :)

Anyway, a couple of questions for Dave and his dream fantasy (BTW, I think Dave has done a great job narrating the story so far):

1. Your father isn't you, and you're his child (stepfather or not, the roles have been well defined). Do you really think it would turn him on to see you become the submissive cuckold that you're dreaming of? Would that really thrill him to see (or know) his kid licks his cum out of his daughter-in-law? Is that the kind of man he is? Do you really want him to be that kind of man, if he isn't?

2. What if your fantasy comes true, and you're the secondary, submissive man to your wife and stepfather? What happens after that? Happily ever after until your dad is too old satisfy your wife's (and your own) urges? Your wife and dad are being somewhat manipulated (by their own desires) into going along with what you want right now - but what happens after everything is realized?

3. If your wife starts to see you the way you see yourself in the dream (and not just in play, like the other night) - what will she think of you then? Once it stops being fantasy and starts being real, and you're a beta to dad - is that HER fantasy? To see you relegated to something less than primary?

4. What if none of this happens, but your father reacts so negatively to finding out you approved his seduction that he refuses to have anything to do with you from both shame and guilt? What if your relationships are completely poisoned in the end? I guess the question is really: How much pain are you willing to risk? Not to you, but to them?

Some fantasies are best left for forums like this, but of course in the end you will do what you think is best for you. Hopefully that will include avoiding a toxic outcome for them, as well as you.

Anyway, my two cents. The wanking into a kleenex crowd can resume their cheering....

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Re: Wife and my Dad

Unread post by mopacpower » Mon May 28, 2012 4:02 am

People remember it was Jenna and Dad who did anything BEFORE Dave mention any of his desires to Jenna. She is the one doing all the driving, Dave just gave her the green light and she hit the gas. Jenna can now do what she was wanting to do anyway, but now she can do it with her husband knowing all about it and that takes away alot of guilt. Dave is now in the front of the bus, just watching them, and cool kids(Jenna and John) are in the back of the bus, and John is hitting the balls out of the park, homeruns at each pitch.

The biggest issue, one of them, is:

What is John feeling about sleeping with his daughter-in-law and what are his feelings toward Dave, now that he has??

This is my opinion only:
I think John is loving the attention from a hot, young, sexy woman and forgetting that she is his DIL, until after she has left and then the guilt hits him and he is avoiding Dave so his guilt doesn't come back when he see's him. The sooner Jenna tells John that Dave knows about them, then everybody can deal with this. If John knows that Dave is ok with it then some of his guilt can be gone, and he and Dave will have the father and son relationship back. The family will stay intact. IF they try to move on and keep it a family secret, then the guilt will build and tear them apart. I understand Dave is letting Jenna decide when this might happen.

Dave have you thought about setting Dad up with somebody his age? It seems he is over grieving for you Mom and ready to move on and start dating? Is Jenna mom single or married? How old is her sister,single or married? Just mention that to Jenna and tell us her reaction.

Have a nice holiday! are you meeting Dad for a picnic?

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Unread post by p_revere » Mon May 28, 2012 6:03 am

I agree with mopacpower re: the guilt issue, which is why I recommended that John be told that Dave knows and supports the affair. But I disagree about setting John up with another woman; Jenna and John started this relationship because they were very attracted to one another. They want each other badly and I doubt John would be as interested in anyone else. And can you blame him? This sounds like a perfect situation for all involved, and as soon as John knows he has Dave's full approval, it will only improve.

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Unread post by mopacpower » Mon May 28, 2012 6:19 am

Not really wanting to set John up, just wanted to she what her reaction to the question might be.

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Unread post by wrknman66 » Mon May 28, 2012 6:30 am

I thought Frank22 really brought things back to Earth a bit ...Anytime you let the fantasy run wild it's like trying to contain a fire that gets out of control ..Dave has openly really displayed how this thing gets ahold of you . I was consumed with my first wife screwing her boss( even though before me she was a virgin) and in many ways pushed her towards being with him ...wanting to hear if they said "I love you " etc. ...it's almost as if you want to take it to the very edge ...very much like that pleasure /pain threshold ...both are very close to one another .

I do believe Jenna has a better understanding of this than alot of women who have this type of relationship thrust on them . Ultimately it's more about the connection than the sex ....and as long as Jenna seperates the two this can continue .

Telling John is like walking up to the edge in my opinion ...it's the thing that could upset the whole apple cart and really change the whole dynamic of things . People like the danger of doing things in secret but when the bright light shines on all our actions we are not quite so proud . I only speak from experience as my ex's and my situation ended up becoming exposed to both of our entire families . Does that stop the fantasy from existing ? No ...you still are excited by what excites you but you learn to keep it a little more guarded.

Dave ..thanks for such an open thread and for letting us tag along with your exploration into this .

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Unread post by jrandmustang » Mon May 28, 2012 6:38 am

mopacpower wrote:Have a nice holiday! are you meeting Dad for a picnic?
Just what I was thinking. Memorial Day is a great day for a bar-b-q, and bar-b-q's have played an important role in this narrative! Dave, HAVE you actually seen your Dad in person since Jenna took the plunge?

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Unread post by armyguyot1 » Mon May 28, 2012 7:43 am

Have you thought that John is an alpha male. Good looking and has money. Out of town a bit. Everyone is feeling sorry for him and this may not be his only conquest of late. He more than likely has some other interests and Jenna is a hot young one. Its easy to see why he would go for her but he may have more on the side than just her. He is the type that women go for. Why would he not have more going? No accusation just human nature.

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Unread post by curiousdave » Mon May 28, 2012 9:03 am

Max_Devli wrote:
I think some people are reading way too much into this. Your wife had a chance to have a fling with and intriguing older man. He's too old for her in the long run but a a fun fuck. She's your wife and will be as long as you don't push her away. She's a girl that wants to have fun. Have fun with her. If you're worried about your income take some night classes and raise it. Do it together. Make some plans with Jenna on where you want to go and I mean the whole package. That what couples do. What are her fantasies and desires. This was your fantasy and she accommodated. What would she like. I noticed she didn't protest too much and she is one hot woman but I wouldn't read too much into it. If it gets too complicated its not fun and then its work. This is suppose to be fun for hubby and wife. She is your wife. By choice. Hers. Still.
I think the only thing we can read into this is that Dave is going to continue to quietly or overtly keep attempting to have his ultimate fantasy come closer to fruition.

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I've read through this thread and get the forbidden fruit fantasy, but think things are going a little over the edge (at least in Dave's desires and hopes). Also, Dave posted somewhere above that he was only a backseat driver, and had no responsibility for the wife and dad's plans. Considering that Dave has orchestrated this affair into life, I find that hilarious. :)

Anyway, a couple of questions for Dave and his dream fantasy (BTW, I think Dave has done a great job narrating the story so far):

1. Your father isn't you, and you're his child (stepfather or not, the roles have been well defined). Do you really think it would turn him on to see you become the submissive cuckold that you're dreaming of? Would that really thrill him to see (or know) his kid licks his cum out of his daughter-in-law? Is that the kind of man he is? Do you really want him to be that kind of man, if he isn't?

2. What if your fantasy comes true, and you're the secondary, submissive man to your wife and stepfather? What happens after that? Happily ever after until your dad is too old satisfy your wife's (and your own) urges? Your wife and dad are being somewhat manipulated (by their own desires) into going along with what you want right now - but what happens after everything is realized?

3. If your wife starts to see you the way you see yourself in the dream (and not just in play, like the other night) - what will she think of you then? Once it stops being fantasy and starts being real, and you're a beta to dad - is that HER fantasy? To see you relegated to something less than primary?

4. What if none of this happens, but your father reacts so negatively to finding out you approved his seduction that he refuses to have anything to do with you from both shame and guilt? What if your relationships are completely poisoned in the end? I guess the question is really: How much pain are you willing to risk? Not to you, but to them?

Some fantasies are best left for forums like this, but of course in the end you will do what you think is best for you. Hopefully that will include avoiding a toxic outcome for them, as well as you.

Anyway, my two cents. The wanking into a kleenex crowd can resume their cheering....
You make very valid and real points. I already understand the dangers and realize things could go wrong. I am just hoping they don't. Like Mopac stated in his reply after this post, their attraction was there already. I didn't do anything to create that. I just saw it and became overly fascinated by it. And over time let her know it was ok with me for her to do something about it. Well I did more than let her know it was ok I guess, I did encourage it. But I didn't create it. I strongly believe they would have started sleeping together with or without my permission. But I guess that's just my speculation. But I wanted you to know that I understand your post and appreciate the time you put in to it. You are only trying to help and that's a good thing. Thank you.

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Unread post by curiousdave » Mon May 28, 2012 9:16 am

mopacpower wrote: Dave have you thought about setting Dad up with somebody his age? It seems he is over grieving for you Mom and ready to move on and start dating? Is Jenna mom single or married? How old is her sister,single or married? Just mention that to Jenna and tell us her reaction.

Have a nice holiday! are you meeting Dad for a picnic?
I get where you are coming from with this. I actually have thought about how she would react to the possibility of him dating someone else or even someone mentioning the possibility. I think it would be fun to see her reaction. But I don't really want to be the one who "Goes there". I feel right now, with whats happening it would look or feel kind of odd for me to bring up such a thing. Maybe it would make it look like I wanted him to move on and them to not be together anymore. She may be hurt if I asked such a thing. A little risky right now.

We are going to a friends house for a cookout and pool party later. Not long from now actually. And the plan is to stop by his house later because his neighbors are having a get together also. Not sure how long we will stay but we are going over there. I never mentioned it but they canceled another date night this week because Jen wasn't feeling very good. She had some kind of stomach bug for a couple days this week so it blew another dance class. Infact she told me they have now missed so many classes they have fallen way behind. She said they may have to start over again if they choose to continue the class because they missed so many.

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Unread post by curiousdave » Mon May 28, 2012 9:30 am

jrandmustang wrote:
mopacpower wrote:Have a nice holiday! are you meeting Dad for a picnic?
Just what I was thinking. Memorial Day is a great day for a bar-b-q, and bar-b-q's have played an important role in this narrative! Dave, HAVE you actually seen your Dad in person since Jenna took the plunge?
I did see him. In my opinion he did act different/awkward somewhat. I'm hoping today things will have set in for him a little better and he can relax more around me again. If not I hope Jenna will see and understand and know that he needs to know the truth. But I told her I wouldn't bring it up so it will have to be her decision.

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Re: Wife and my Dad

Unread post by mopacpower » Mon May 28, 2012 10:12 am

Hope Jenna feels better. Just don't make a joke about morning sickness. Lol

Have fun today. Are you swimming at the party?

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Re: Wife and my Dad

Unread post by zaqxsw098 » Mon May 28, 2012 11:08 am

Great story. And truly hope things work out well how you would like. I personally think cuckold is a bad direction for this to go and hotwife being a better choice. (obviously to each his own)
It's just that I would rather be involved more, as it seems like cuckold will end up with you being denied access to your wife and forever jerking off. (I know there's 100s of variations to each) To me having her confirm her actions (unlikely to ever say no, but she still obeying if I do) and having constant communication are the biggest turn on.


That being said I think a sad ending to this adventure would look like this:

What if upon hearing the truth he decides hes going to take whats his? If it's no longer secret they wont have to sneak around.
I'd imagine it wouldn't happen immediately, starting off with him calling her to his place. (Or even showing up and taking her). She would drop everything and head there.
For a while she will return the same day. Would start off great with her telling you the details, you loving every second of it.
As time passes she will start spending the night. When it's a single night you'll still be excited and she will still be thrilled to give you details. Probably will be losing interest in your cock, but will still let you lick her sore pussy.
When he decides to make her completely his she will be gone for days at a time, returning only when he leaves out of town. Shes annoyed with you asking for details the second she walks in the door. Lost all interest in you sexually, maybe stays completely covered around you.
When he returns to town and you're alone again, You notice she forgot her birth control pills in the bathroom, and before calling her you triple check the calendar and notice it's been 2 weeks since the pills were taken.

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Unread post by Mia » Mon May 28, 2012 11:24 am

zaqxsw098 wrote:Great story. And truly hope things work out well how you would like.
Welcome to OHW, zaqxsw098.

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