Wife and my Dad

[Trixkat]

yesterday there was an article on Yahoo about a note left in a women's restroom in reference to some things written by others on the stall walls. there were specifics in the note but it ended this way and Dave, I think this applies to you so much right now. the letter ended with...
-you are worthy
-you are strong
-you are brave
-you are loved
Somebody Cares

[rs480]

OK, I'm gonna babble a bit..... OK a LOT!
Dave said "I know a lot of what I'm gonna say is going to make me sound pathetic to many of you. If that's the case feel free to express that. It won't bother me much because I already think that way about myself anyway. But I have to admit that the bashing (deserved or not) of Jenna and my dad does bother me. I know it probably shouldn't and I should maybe be feeling the same way but I don't. I love them both. More than I can express with words so when I read the harsh judgements it does hurt me some. It's ok if you want to say this or that but please if you can, try and tone down the hate a tad for me if nothing else. For whatever reason it does hurt to read such things. Thank you."
I believe you are not pathetic and on another subject of dad and son, I'm certain my "son" (NO genetic relation at all) loves me as I do him.
More so as the years fly by............. We are very close by the way. Talk more to the old guy....
Dave, thank you for asking that the "slamming" (my words) stops. You do not deserve it. You're kinky as hell but not an ass. Well, us guys are from time to time but then again so are our ladies.....
Jen came clean to you? Fantastic! Every woman who holds secrets (I almost wrote "ought to be shot" but that is NOT how I feel as my wife is a secret holder.....) should be encouraged to tell stuff that makes her uncomfortable! Another poster said something of the same sort...
"she usually needs to be angry to be that proactive about things that push her comfort zone" OH god! I wish I had figured that out 25 years ago! Or at least yesterday!
Darn secretive women! Your wife Jenna may be the twin sister ('tho much younger) of my wife!
You are doing what you can to live thru this experience, you WILL survive. As will I.....
Glad to see you posting. Good or otherwise.

[lozrob66]

I told you she was fucking him already!

[elina]

Dave,

I am impressed with the way you are coming to terms with the situation the way it is.
I hope you will soon be able to put this behind you and move forward and find another girl to love.

Sincerely
Elina

[mopacpower]

Dave, I apologize my emotions got involved.

Ok, no more bashing per your wish. (It sounds like Mom bet us to it, and she should as a parent.) I will call them J&J.

Dave, I know you always think of your Step-dad as the Alpha male, and yes he is, but even if you have no muscle mass or giant dick, you can still have a more dominant attitude about things and not always follow others or take the wimp role, so some therapy for you might be in order, on that point. It sounded like you guys might have moved into a poly relationship, which would have been good for you, but that wasn't what Jenna or John wanted, alpha's don't like to share. Maybe all of you could have move to that lifestyle eventually.

I am reeeaaallllyyyy glad that their is no children involved or this would really mess them up, Mom leaving Dad to be with Grandpa! Talk about therapy. Not bashing, an observation.

To Dave: you have a very nice writing style, maybe you should become a writer, not this story, it is to close to home.
Dave, have you heard about J&J fighting over anything? You have never mention it and I just wondered if they had.
I'm glad you are dealing with this, and not hiding in drugs or alcohol. I hope you find someone to love, to take the pain away.

To the forum the following questions:

1.Does Dave give the bride away or be the best man? AND should J&J have the first kid within the year, or 9 months after the divorce/wedding.

2. Should Dave still be in their life's, being the son hanging out with dad on gameday and the fun uncle to J&J kids, who babysits on date night?

OR should he move on, move to a new place, start over and find a gal just for him, without any kink?

[b_p]

She admitted that it was much more than lust, even way back in the beginning. She pretty much had a crush on my dad the first time they ever met.
...
She got swept up in her own fantasies and emotions (before I ever came clean about my fantasies).
...
I guess I am a complete masochist or something. I mean I must be to find any kind of pleasure or sexual thrill in all this. I think it's incredibly disgusting that I can feel this way but I do. I will admit I've been masturbating constantly over all this. I am ashamed of this and only admit it here because no one here really knows me in real life.
...
Now besides all this there were two major factors in everything happening the way it did. The timing, the way, all of it. First when they split up and he went out with the other woman. That really sank it home for her what her feelings truly were. She then knew it was real love that couldn't be put off or ignored. She just could not lose him.

Dave, thank you so very much for sharing all of this with us. I honestly don't think it's over yet. Jen (and perhaps John) is still living in the "happily ever after" fantasy. There may come a time, just maybe, when she says to herself, "OMFG, what was I thinking?!?"

Still, because she has had a crush on him for years and years, we don't know how it will work out. It's too soon to say. Whenever I hear someone say something like "real love that couldn't be ignored," I hear fantasy going on. If you feel like I'm bashing her in that regard, I'm sorry, but that's how I feel about it. It comes across to me as a lack of maturity on her part.

I am sorry to hear that you are ashamed and embarrassed about getting an erotic charge from the fact that she has left you for him. You don't have to be ashamed of it. It's okay to feel that, and it's okay to get so excited by it that you jerk off, thinking of them together. I know that feeling. My GF and I have talked about that one a number of times. And while she may not completely understand it, she knows how I feel about it. When she was actively dating guys (during the time while we've been living together) we talked about it. She said that if she ever did move out to be with a lover, she would stay closely in touch with me and share all the things that I would want to know. All of the erotic details, and all of the emotions and feelings. And she said it this way: She said that she would stay in touch with me just like two girlfriends. As you might imagine from the tone of this paragraph, I was absolutely thrilled to hear that, and told her that I would be very happy about that, if it happened. Of course I'd feel sad, but terribly excited too.

Her mom was and is very disappointed and embarrassed about it all. Jenna says she made her feel about an inch tall the way she scolded and talked down to her about it. But in the end, her mom wants Jenna's ultimate happiness and told her if this is what she feels then she must pursue it. But she did insist that she stop playing around behind my back (once again she obviously didn't tell the whole truth) and come clean about everything. She hates that Jenna hurt me in this way (Jen's mom loves me like a son)

Her Mom sounds like a keeper. While I know that she's Jen's Mom and will always be a part of her life, I honestly think that her Mother is a keeper, and that you should always keep her in your life, in one way or another.

Thank you again for sharing these latest feelings and developments with us. I look forward to hearing from you more in the future.

[Max_Devli]

Dave,

If your dad doesn't know the truth, and he's doing this anyway (not just allowing things to happen, but part of it, there is a distinction) - fuck him. What a fucking douche. Sorry, he is. Fuck the apologies. You're not enough of a masochist to enjoy this for long. This is not about cuckolding, but something so much more taboo that it's across the threshold of decency. As for Jen, no comment. What else can be said?

MD

PS - Cuckolding fantasy play did you a huge favor here, ironically.

[spyguy24]

Keep your chin up Dave. You never know: you could be her "other man" some day.

[armyguyot1]

I wouldn't over react Dave. I think her with him is totally fucking crazy. 20 years difference is great for a fuck or a fling but not for the long haul. V's exboss started fucking a 23 year old receptionist when he was 44. He didn't know what fucking was til his wife got done with him. The receptionist and John got married and had 3 kids. Paradise. About 12 years and then she got a younger man. That was the longest that I know. They have little in common except lust and sex. He is a facination money, power, big dick. She is young and fucks his brains out. Unfortunately there is a hell of a lot more to a marriage and relationship and it has a near zero chance of going long. I know it could happen and the Cubs could win the series but not likely. Be patient and decide how your going to handle it when it goes to hell in a handbasket. It will. Do you want her back? She will be available. The only exception I know of is if he has even more money than you have lead us to believe. Then he could have a trophy wife for awhile but I don't think I have ever seen it work for real people. Normally I don't think of age as an issue but I calculate 20 years or more and thats just too much about 99 percent of the time. Think about the possibility and what you would do if your dad heard the pop as his head came out of his ass and he realized what he is doing. Its lust. I understand. Don't blame him but marriage is bullshit to consider. About like the teacher in California with the 18 year old student in real love. Right. For a couple weeks. Don't get too pissed. He is thinking with the wrong head. I think she's driving the train and he is enjoying the screw even though he knows it won't work. He will eventually wind up with the gal that was after him and closer to his own age and Jen will be up for grabs if you want her.

[MrsTruckstar]

Dave,

If your dad doesn't know the truth, and he's doing this anyway (not just allowing things to happen, but part of it, there is a distinction) - fuck him. What a fucking douche. Sorry, he is. Fuck the apologies. You're not enough of a masochist to enjoy this for long. This is not about cuckolding, but something so much more taboo that it's across the threshold of decency. As for Jen, no comment. What else can be said?

MD

PS - Cuckolding fantasy play did you a huge favor here, ironically.

My husband refuses to post on this thread anymore. Your Dad was a douche, it's called a total wanker in England. Your wife is also a bitch and you are pathetic or at least you were.

How many times did people PM you and write in this thread what would happen, you just ignored it.

Your wife will have told him about you to soften the blow on him and her. She will have said about your encouragement etc. You clearly write about her lies, then it takes another lie to cover that lie, the liar doesn't know where to stop.

In order for you to not be pathetic, call her mum and tell her the truth, call your dad and tell him the truth, people can make real judgements based on the truth. Mind you if she is telling lie to him, he will be crushed at some stage and he deserves it.

Apart from your months of turmoil and all your dithering you have had a let off. Edit -:(let off means you have had a lucky escape)

[Wistful]

Thank you Dave for returning to the forum and concluding your story. The death of your marriage is just so ineffably sad. Yet you seem to be able not to begrudge Jen her happiness. You are the better man than your readers.

[sergio27]

Hi Dave.

[sergio27]

Hi Dave.
I do not intend to add to your pain. I add here a part from one of the updates (page 39) :


" Oh something else I meant to bring up a while back but got sidetracked. The L word. We have talked about this a little and she admitted she does love him. She said it's not the same kind of love as she feels for me but it is love. She joked once that it was more Lust than love but ended up saying she does love him but not like she does me. I asked for a better explanation but she said she really couldn't explain it. She said her love for me is so complete and deep and she could never imagine life without me #actually brought tears to my eyes#. But with him it's a combination of things. She said she loved him before all this started as a good and caring man who was always so sweet and helpful to her. But it's changed into something else since this started and she can't really explain it. She just says it's different. I asked if she told him she loved him or if he told her and she said not since this has started. I mean I've heard her say "Love you" to him and he to her for years. But that was when it was just "Father in Law, Daughter in Law" Love yous. Now it's different. But she said they haven't said it to each other any since it started. Maybe that's a line they are both scared to cross because of the possible ramifications from saying it while an affair is happening. I don't know, this is all so new. I did tell her I was ok with her loving him "in that way" and I felt secure in her love for me. At the time she just smiled and kissed me saying "Good." But this was a while back, we haven't discussed it recently."

Her answer then is not compatible with what she told you your last conversation.
Hence there is only one conclusion: She lied to you then or lying now. In my opinion she lied to you then.
Your father did not want to continue the relationship in this way and that she preferred to be with him and not with you.
I would not wait for her to come back to you. Long ago she does not love you as a man in her life.
Get over it and continue your life.
Good luck and keep posting.

[MrsTruckstar]

Hi Dave.
I do not intend to add to your pain. I add here a part from one of the updates (page 39) :
text removed on purpose to save space
Her answer then is not compatible with what she told you your last conversation.
Hence there is only one conclusion: She lied to you then or lying now. In my opinion she lied to you then.
Your father did not want to continue the relationship in this way and that she preferred to be with him and not with you.
I would not wait for her to come back to you. Long ago she does not love you as a man in her life.
Get over it and continue your life.
Good luck and keep posting.

Bingo moment, it is a shame that other cheerleaders here don't do the same depth of research as Arizona, sergio27, and us, it is amazing how quickly people forget.

[curiousdave]

Thanks to everyone again for their kind words of support. I do appreciate it. I don't have long to write right now because I'm heading to a friends house to watch the playoffs soon. But I wanted to add some more while I have the chance.

For those that suggest I keep my head up and keep an eye open for a possible return from Jenna I appreciate that. Obviously with how I feel for her and probably always will I would take her back in a second. But I am not going to hold my breath over that happening. I do not feel it will happen ever. No one can see into the future and nothing is written in stone with stuff like this but I think they are for real. I can feel the love they have for one another and even though relationships do come and go and they could run into rocky times down the road, I just can't picture it right now. Maybe they will fall out of love 10 years from now, maybe they will stay together for 30 years, who knows! With how I feel for Jenna and my dad I honestly do wish them the best. I want her to be happy in every way. If that means being his wife and having his children and whatever else they plan together then so be it. I want her to be happy and satisfied everyday of her life from here on out. That is something I told her too. She had tears in her eyes when I told her that and she hugged and kissed me in return. I think my well wishes really touched her heart in a very deep way. She knows me so well, maybe better than I know myself and I think she knew I would take this stance in advance. She knows I love and adore (almost worship) her. She had to know I wouldn't stand in her way or cause problems. She is very intuitive and has this way about her. Basically she is a girl who knows how to get her way and not much ever gets in the way of that. Some will view that as egotistical and selfish and sometimes it is. But I respect that power and that drive and frankly it has always turned me on about her. It was one of the first things that attracted me to her, that and that incredible ass lol So all that said I obviously won't be taking the advice of making phone calls and disrupting their peace and exposing them. The thought of doing something like that is horrible to me. I couldn't live with myself if I felt I fucked up their lives in that way. But I don't want to talk about that, I'm just letting you guy's know thats not in my plans and never will be. Lose respect for me or whatever, that's just not something I will ever want or do. Sorry.

Before she left I told her I would give them their space and stay out of contact for a while. This upset her and she said she didn't want that at all. I believe her and think she wants to stay in daily or at least semi daily contact with me but I told her it was the right thing to do, at least for the time being. I told her she needed to concentrate on her new life , getting things in order, so on. She said she wasn't going to do this and would still call me all the time. It ended with me telling her she can call me anytime she wants or come and see me but I would not be calling her for a while. I feel she does need her space for a while and doesn't need to worry about me in this time. As bad as she may be or whatever she has a lot to worry about now. She's gotta explain this complicated mess to a lot of people, co-workers, relatives, friends, so on. She's got to set up house somewhere else and things may be messy emotion wise for a while. I just want to give her her space and freedom without worrying about how I may be holding up. I think it's the right thing to do. But she still called me everyday this past week. Well everyday except yesterday . We didn't talk long each phone call but she checked in and asked how I am, what I was doing , so on. I can't lie, it felt good to hear her voice everyday and made me feel cared about. She may be far from perfect in most people's eyes but she's a very special person to me. I know she loves and cares about me. Not exactly how I want to be loved and cared for but still, it's love. She even ended each call with a "Love you" which felt really good to hear. Of course I returned the love and it made everything feel right.


I know so many of you think badly about Jen and I do understand the feelings and thoughts. As far as being a cuckoldress she dropped the ball I guess. The thing is even though she played along and played her part very well, it wasn't her dream, it was mine. Can I or others really hold that against her? She gave a lot in that time to help ease the transition. It seems that way to me. She didn't just leave me right away. She gave me what I was wanting along the way and it was as awesome a time as could be expected for me. It exceeded my expectations big time! I am no expert in the human condition or anything but I think I understand a little. Things aren't always perfect and people never are. But considering a few things I think I understand a little about people like Jenna. Jenna is a very attractive woman. Extremely attractive people often operate on a different plane of existence. Things sometimes come very easily to them. They don't always have to work hard for what they get. Often times they get what they want, when they want it. Some become spoiled rotten and can exude a high level of entitlement and ego. Sure she has some of that, I can't deny it. She's a little on the spoiled rotten side for sure. She certainly expects to get what she wants when she wants it. For what it's worth I find that attractive in her too. I find everything attractive about her though so I know I have a very biased opinion on her. I just don't hold these things against her because I think she is a product of the system. She ran with what she had. She was blessed with good looks and she's made the most of it. I can't fault her for that. How many great looking people do the same? Well I also know the deeper her. She may be spoiled and entitled, but she is very sweet, loving and kind also. Ok, the kindness doesn't show so much here in this story, not recently I guess. But she is folks, she really is. She has shown signs of extreme sweetness and love ever since I've known her. She's a great daughter to her mother, a cool sister to her sister, was a super great, fun, sexy wife to me while we were together. She is always there for her friends and was there for my mother a lot during her rough times. I have tons of respect for that woman. Just because she has some flaws doesn't make her evil. She fell in love with another man. Yep that stings and isn't a sign of great morals, whatever. But this sort of thing happens everyday people. Doesn't probably happen too often with father in laws but it does happen. It's just what it is. Two people who weren't supposed to do what they did but they did. A few people were hurt in the process but no one was killed . Ah I'm rambling now, sorry. Just getting it off my chest.


Ok I gotta run, 30 minutes to game time. I will try and write more tonight if I have time. Take care guys!

[sassycat0508]

I find it appalling that because you might not agree with Dave, or you don't believe his story that you would call him out. Perhaps I am wrong, but I thought there was a rule regarding that type of behavior here.

Someone might find YOUR stories a little hard to believe. Not so nice when the shoe is on the other foot.

As far as posting on this thread, no one is forcing anyone to read it. Move on if it is that troubling.

Just my .02$ worth.

[curiousdave]

Hi Dave.
I do not intend to add to your pain. I add here a part from one of the updates (page 39) :


" Oh something else I meant to bring up a while back but got sidetracked. The L word. We have talked about this a little and she admitted she does love him. She said it's not the same kind of love as she feels for me but it is love. She joked once that it was more Lust than love but ended up saying she does love him but not like she does me. I asked for a better explanation but she said she really couldn't explain it. She said her love for me is so complete and deep and she could never imagine life without me #actually brought tears to my eyes#. But with him it's a combination of things. She said she loved him before all this started as a good and caring man who was always so sweet and helpful to her. But it's changed into something else since this started and she can't really explain it. She just says it's different. I asked if she told him she loved him or if he told her and she said not since this has started. I mean I've heard her say "Love you" to him and he to her for years. But that was when it was just "Father in Law, Daughter in Law" Love yous. Now it's different. But she said they haven't said it to each other any since it started. Maybe that's a line they are both scared to cross because of the possible ramifications from saying it while an affair is happening. I don't know, this is all so new. I did tell her I was ok with her loving him "in that way" and I felt secure in her love for me. At the time she just smiled and kissed me saying "Good." But this was a while back, we haven't discussed it recently."

Her answer then is not compatible with what she told you your last conversation.
Hence there is only one conclusion: She lied to you then or lying now. In my opinion she lied to you then.
Your father did not want to continue the relationship in this way and that she preferred to be with him and not with you.
I would not wait for her to come back to you. Long ago she does not love you as a man in her life.
Get over it and continue your life.
Good luck and keep posting.

You're right. Lots of lies have been told by Jenna. I know this. It doesn't change my views on her though. She was caught in a messy situation and did what she thought was best at the time. It hurts to know she lied and lying is never the right thing to do. But under the circumstances I do understand why she did it, and why she felt she needed too. Once again I'm not trying to say she was ever perfect. She's just a woman who got swept up in a very unusual situation and tried her best to work it out in her own way.

[hotwifedee]

Hi Dave

Sorry for the way this played out. Wish there was a way for you to turn back the hands of time and be sure that the both of you were most open and honest about what it is you were looking for. Time will ease the pain.

If you can believe it, once the pain has subsided (cause the arousal of thinking of her with any man will never subside), you will take a step or two back, understand what could have been so GREAT about this lifestyle and what you will do to be sure your HOTWIFE remains yours. Communication is vital for the success of any relationship but when you add wind gusts to the flame of a hotwife/cuckold relationship, honest and open communication become critical. It is hard to do, tell your husband you want to enjoy the physical pleasures of another man OR tell your wife you want her to enjoy the physical pleasures of another man but it can be done. There are many successful married couples in the room who could tell your stories that would make your hair curl. When you are, they will be here to help you better navigate the waters.

Take care of you and dont fall off the face of this board!!!!!!

[Trixkat]

*putting on my supportive momma hat here*
i wonder how many of the Jenna bashers would still be as harsh if the new guy in her life had been someone other than John. would you all be so hate-filled toward her if she had left Dave for a "typical" bull? just some guy that they had met on AM or SLS? is it because the new man is Dave's stepdad that people are so bent out of shape?
these are their lives, Dave's, Jenna's and John's. while i think it's not cool to leave your partner, i realize that this will happen sometimes. we are all human, we all make mistakes, we all get things right and we all also fuck things up royally from time to time. i think at this point, beating up any of them is unnecessary and uncalled for. Dave needs people to be there for him, not beat him up over the choices he's made, same with Jenna and John. be kindly, be supportive, be polite. if you can't then don't post here. Dave is dealing with enough without us adding to it.

[Rebecca]

her wanting to stay in frequent contact with you now is more selfishness (to be blunt).

She made her choice and you said you think time and space apart is best. But she insists on talking to you frequently? This will do nothing to help you (or her) move on. She's ignoring what you asked for in an attempt to help soften the blow of guilt she's feeling. The predicament now is that she's getting her cake and eating it too. But existing in this state of limbo where she's switched to John but insists on inserting herself into her former husband's life is downright unfair.

I'm not going to bash her for falling in love, or John for doing the same. Things happen no matter how shitty they seem. Right now, the worst part is that not only has she done something hurtful but she's basically driving the knife deeper and twisting it again and again by refusing to excuse herself from your life. If they stay together, then yes, you'll need to have some form of family relationship with her and John. But right now, focus is on you. Get what you need. She's stealing valuable time in your life from you by hanging on and preventing you from doing the work you need to do within yourself to heal and move on.

Sorry if my writing sounds Harsh. I honestly wish the best for all parties involved. And I also don't think what she's doing is coming from some conscious effort to drag you through the mud. No, instead it looks more like someone who just isn't aware of the factors that motivate their behaviors and are completely unaware of the true magnitude of damage they are doing, even if they think they're doing something good (like talking to you often). Take it from me because even though the circumstances were vastly different, I've been a person like Jenna. I've been a person who doesn't understand what makes me do things and how damaging they really can be to people even if they've sprung from what I think are the best intentions.

[susanshusband]

Dave. While I don't agree with you or Jen I do respect you and admire you. You loved your wife in a way few men do and she knows this. You gave her complete freedom to choose and she chose someone else in the process. You seem "ok" with it. I hope you really are. I also hope she comes back to you because I don't believe she will ever find lasting happiness without you as the center of her life. Best wishes! Dan

[mopacpower]

This is my .40 cents worth. No bashing or attacks. And yes it is the Father/Son/Wife thing that makes this so taboo,exciting, and sick to people. If it was somebody else who seduced her then it wouldn't be this polarizing.

Dave you need to tell Jenna this "Thank you for loving me." BUT "Please stop calling me, unless their is a emergency. I need to work on myself now." Also ask her to hangup the phone by saying "bye" instead of "love you", that is just twisting the dagger that is already in you. I think she is feeling guilty over breaking up her marriage, and wants to keep you in her life, but not as her husband or lover, but a good buddy. I agree with you not calling/seeing them so they can work on their relationship, since you still love both of them and want to see them happy, I don't agree with that, but it is your call. Also I would tell her Mom and your Dad everything that went down on your side of this. Just tell them everything so someone knows the truth, it will set you free, or just show them this topic post it covers a lot.

You know a definition for cuckold, is someone who is married to one person, but the other person loves emotionally and physically another, if she stayed with you, and loved John then you would have been a true cuckold. I have even heard of women having the bull's kids instead of their husbands!

What is your cover story for when friends ask about Jenna, John, and you?

Are you still going to live in the condo, or do you have to move, with just the one income?

Isn't Jenna a twin, what does her sister think of this?

Work on yourself, Dave. Learn to do Karate or Tai-chi, or something, it will give you something to do and build up your muscle tone and your confidence back. Swimming is also a great muscle builder and you might meet someone new.

[armyguyot1]

I think she likes what she has. She has John and his money and power and dick but hasn't given you up either. If you are good with that why should the rest on here. She may think she is in love but she's just in heat and sooner or later the reality will set in that she and John are worlds apart when its every day. If you started screwing some good looking chick that would really bring it to a head. Like John's friend that failed because of Jenna or Jenna's sister. She is noncommital and if your ok with that what the hell. It will work out and you can be there for her when she and John implode. I say just go with it. Don't make any rash desicions but don't forget to live your life at the same time. I think she will regret what she is doing and want to come home if your still available and sooner if you're not.

[mopacpower]

armyguyot1 has a good point, what if Dave moves on, and finds another girl. Would Jenna hate that or say good he moved on, I don't know, but she might get mad at Dave for replacing her.

[oldcavsct]

Hi Dave. I have been pretty silent. Part of it because I am experiencing my own tragedy (Patty is okay) but mostly because I wanted to put a lot of thought into what I want to say.

First, No one is in your shoes. No one can actually feel what you are feeling. Maybe what Jenn is feeling is more infatuation than love, maybe she is truly in love with you, maybe she will come around and help you further with your fetish, maybe she will eventually get back with you, maybe she and your step dad will move to Korea!

No one knows the future as you plainly recognize. Love comes in so many different ways. Each of us have our own dream of what love is. What is love to one person is totally unacceptable to someone else. My point is, you have to live your own life. No one can live it for you, and you need no approval for feeling what you feel.

I would like to stay in touch with you. You have touched Patty and I in a special way. And of course, I am grateful for what you did for us. I am sure everyone here is grateful for you sharing your very personal, and painful story also. Even those whom disagree and berate you and or Jenn. If that is not true, they wouldn't have bothered reading it, much less reply.

My very best to you, Jenn, and your step dad. Everyone deserves to be happy regardless of what they feel happiness is. You still have Jenn's love. Maybe not in the way others think is appropriate, but at least it's a lot more than many other people in this world have.

Best to you, and here's hoping you keep posting. If for no other reason, it's probably good therapy provided you don't take what some people say too seriously.