Wife and my Dad

[TheSubmissiveCuckold]

I think she likes what she has. She has John and his money and power and dick but hasn't given you up either. If you are good with that why should the rest on here. She may think she is in love but she's just in heat and sooner or later the reality will set in that she and John are worlds apart when its every day. If you started screwing some good looking chick that would really bring it to a head. Like John's friend that failed because of Jenna or Jenna's sister. She is noncommital and if your ok with that what the hell. It will work out and you can be there for her when she and John implode. I say just go with it. Don't make any rash desicions but don't forget to live your life at the same time. I think she will regret what she is doing and want to come home if your still available and sooner if you're not.

I agree. Just let it play out. It's fun for her now, but will probably fizzle out. If you love her and want her back, wait and see. Either way, life is short. It was a dangerous game, for sure.. but you're all human. You weren't wrong for wanting it. She wasn't wrong. He wasn't wrong. You all just gave in to temptation. It happens. If she's truly happy with him and he's happy, then good for them and I'm sure you'll find happiness, as well. No reason to cast blame. Just be grateful that your back is better and keep moving forward.

[Max_Devli]

Dave, with regards to your stepfather, you understand that no matter how you handle it, he did something wrong and does not deserve the kindness of forgiveness? He had a sacred spot of trust, and broke it. What he has done should not be okay with HIM, ever. If it is okay with him, he truly doesn't think of you what you thought he did. Frankly, I'd blow my brains out for doing something like this to one of my children. And most of the readers who are parents wouldn't be far behind, if they were in those shoes.

Some things can't be forgiven, even if you offer it without being bidden to. This is one of them. It's beyond that, so very much.

[spyguy24]

By being members we all agree to a certain number of rules. Perhaps you should reread the first one:

1) No personal attacks. You can have differences of opinion. You can even say things like, "You need counseling." But name calling and the like are verbotten.

By coming in here and calling Dave pathetic and dictating what he must do to stop being pathetic is pretty damned egregious to the above. Mrs. Truckstar has no involvement in his life such as being a lover or significant other. She's being judgmental and needs to stop it. This is a place for sharing our life experiences. If you don't like what's going on then go the fuck away. It's that simple. I'm fairly sure Dave didn't ask her to post her opinion so it was completely unjustified.

How would you two like if I went to your threads and called you out like that? I'm sure I'd get flamed or have this post essentially made toward me or potentially even banned from the site. Shove off.

[armyguyot1]

No doubt Daves dad was wrong. A friends wife tried to take me to bed years ago and I passed for a number of reasons but what a temptation. This guy may be around mid life crisis and just lost his wife. A beautiful young woman offers sympathy and sex at the direction of her husband. He didn't seduce her rather she seduced him. Was it wrong? Yup. I understand why it went that way. Dealing with damn humans rather than people from Crypton. Damn them. As you get older you learn that people aren't perfect and you take note of weaknesses rather than condem them for it. Don't be so hard on these people. They are people. Don't be so hard on any one of these people and let Dave make an informed desicion. Get pissed at Dave for getting a sore back and couldn't really take care of Jenna just at the wrong time. Be cool Dave. It ain't the end of the world. They will have a good fuck for awhile and then she will be back. Exactly what you were looking for save that she moved out.

[MrsTruckstar]

I find it appalling that because you might not agree with Dave, or you don't believe his story that you would call him out. Perhaps I am wrong, but I thought there was a rule regarding that type of behavior here.
Someone might find YOUR stories a little hard to believe. Not so nice when the shoe is on the other foot.
As far as posting on this thread, no one is forcing anyone to read it. Move on if it is that troubling.

Just my .02$ worth.

Do you mean me, I haven't said I don't believe him, I agreed with him in aspects, I have said that there is a level of "hang on a minute, this was out of control, you should've stopped her when you could but didn't." After all the encouraging by CD, the chasing by the not-in-the-know-Dad and the going-with-it Jen the inevitable happened, I didn't cause it. I also agreed with CD's admission Jen is a Liar. He said it and I agreed.

Dave, with regards to your stepfather, you understand that no matter how you handle it, he did something wrong and does not deserve the kindness of forgiveness? He had a sacred spot of trust, and broke it. What he has done should not be okay with HIM, ever. If it is okay with him, he truly doesn't think of you what you thought he did. Frankly, I'd blow my brains out for doing something like this to one of my children. And most of the readers who are parents wouldn't be far behind, if they were in those shoes.

Some things can't be forgiven, even if you offer it without being bidden to. This is one of them. It's beyond that, so very much.

A step-parent/parent is a role model a person you can turn to when the chips are down, when you really need them. He lost his mother, his emotions will be all over the place. Parent's maturity and life experience is there to guide you and help you, it is tough when a parent dies in any circumstances, these were particularly sad. This is the taboo, had it been a Bull/Stud/FB it wouldn't be quite the story it is FFS. I love my hubby dearly, however if he had an affair/one night stand with the other half of one of our children, I could not cope, to me it is just wrong and I am still alive, if it happened after my death, it would be more wrong in my personal view. This is just my opinion not the law unto Truckstars. I am sure in an open forum I am allowed just that.

By being members we all agree to a certain number of rules. Perhaps you should reread the first one:

1) No personal attacks. You can have differences of opinion. You can even say things like, "You need counseling." But name calling and the like are verbotten.

By coming in here and calling Dave pathetic and dictating what he must do to stop being pathetic is pretty damned egregious to the above. Mrs. Truckstar has no involvement in his life such as being a lover or significant other. She's being judgmental and needs to stop it. This is a place for sharing our life experiences. If you don't like what's going on then go the fuck away. It's that simple. I'm fairly sure Dave didn't ask her to post her opinion so it was completely unjustified.
How would you two like if I went to your threads and called you out like that? I'm sure I'd get flamed or have this post essentially made toward me or potentially even banned from the site. Shove off.

RE-read Curious Dave posts and you will find several times that opinion and advice was indeed asked for. Re-read my post spyguy24, I did not call Curious Dave pathetic and I actually followed his post where indeed he calls himself pathetic, what I did was to answer him in a way that he could prove to himself that he wasn't. By the way you have said those things to me and I accept your opinions. The advice, which is not an order, remember advice is a take or leave it thing was to call her mum and tell the truth, he doesn't have to of course but if he did, that would be dramatic not pathetic. To sit back and do nothing - well we could all have an opinion on that couldn't we. telling the truth is never a bad thing and requires nothing to hide it or remember it. Re-read what I put please. If it is inaccurate then I will stay the fuck away. If it is not then there is no need to say sorry as i know you are just stating your opinion.
He says

First let me say one thing. I know a lot of what I'm gonna say is going to make me sound pathetic to many of you.

In order for you to not be pathetic, call her mum and tell her the truth,

Dave, you have a lot of fans and that is good for you, I am not very popular here at the minute, because some people choose to have a go at me for offering honest advice, because they don't actually know what I am saying they automatically think it is an attack, which it isn't. I feel for you, I as a parent and mother-in-law cannot get my head around the this particular situation, I haven't personally attacked you and wouldn't, my comments maybe controversial but they are my comments. I am sure you want some band aid and I am sure you want some reality. I hope you get both. If every time we get hurt we smother ourselves only with sorrow, unwelcome or even welcomed pity and soothing pats on the back we will never get anywhere.

You know in your heart you contributed a little to this and that probably hurts like mad. No matter what you did though you could not have made them sleep with each other. Both your Step-dad and Jen are adults and they both made adult choices as such and the result is the result, not caused by me or you for that matter, just fantasized by you, but commented on by me. If anything I have written on this thread is untrue, please point it out so that I can on behalf of my husband and myself make an unreserved public apology. If it is true let us leave it as it stands. You know that I followed you from the beginning of your journey on the other website (began with the letter C), We came here on your recommendation, because the other forum was losing it's way and up to now I liked it here.

We wish you well in your recovery, my point in shorter form is - You encouraged her, many men encourage their wives to HW/cuck and the wife never does. you didn't force her. Dad didn't know the plan or that you knew, so there is a chance it would have happened anyway, wouldn't make it less tragic, I fantasize about the lottery, it may never come true. Sharing your fantasy with your wife was not the fault or cause of all of this.

[CuckedIn67]

I'm not sure how the others readers feel about this but I for one, believe Dave might not be returning to this board. At least he won't be writing in this post. He either cannot deal with the loss of his Jenna and is unable to entice her back into his arms, OR the whole post is a story that he just brought to a close.

[lozrob66]

Let's not get too far away from the original post. Dave got exactly what Dave wanted. Jenna was never and knows nothing of Hotwifery. Dave knew his course of action would most probably lead to this outcome. Why is anyone surprised! Dave was the only player in this story and remains so.

Now it is about Dave and his new status as a separated man. I agree with him that he should make no attempt to contact the new couple and would go further in asking them not to contact him unless it is important. Jenna's insistence in remaining in contact with Dave is purely for self serving reasons and does not benefit Dave.

What the future holds for the new couple nobody knows. And I couldn't care less. As for Dave, friends, family and lots of new women will cure him. Hopefully he has more family than the two we know of.

[curiousdave]

I find it appalling that because you might not agree with Dave, or you don't believe his story that you would call him out. Perhaps I am wrong, but I thought there was a rule regarding that type of behavior here.
Someone might find YOUR stories a little hard to believe. Not so nice when the shoe is on the other foot.
As far as posting on this thread, no one is forcing anyone to read it. Move on if it is that troubling.

Just my .02$ worth.

Do you mean me, I haven't said I don't believe him, I agreed with him in aspects, I have said that there is a level of "hang on a minute, this was out of control, you should've stopped her when you could but didn't." After all the encouraging by CD, the chasing by the not-in-the-know-Dad and the going-with-it Jen the inevitable happened, I didn't cause it. I also agreed with CD's admission Jen is a Liar. He said it and I agreed.

Dave, with regards to your stepfather, you understand that no matter how you handle it, he did something wrong and does not deserve the kindness of forgiveness? He had a sacred spot of trust, and broke it. What he has done should not be okay with HIM, ever. If it is okay with him, he truly doesn't think of you what you thought he did. Frankly, I'd blow my brains out for doing something like this to one of my children. And most of the readers who are parents wouldn't be far behind, if they were in those shoes.

Some things can't be forgiven, even if you offer it without being bidden to. This is one of them. It's beyond that, so very much.

A step-parent/parent is a role model a person you can turn to when the chips are down, when you really need them. He lost his mother, his emotions will be all over the place. Parent's maturity and life experience is there to guide you and help you, it is tough when a parent dies in any circumstances, these were particularly sad. This is the taboo, had it been a Bull/Stud/FB it wouldn't be quite the story it is FFS. I love my hubby dearly, however if he had an affair/one night stand with the other half of one of our children, I could not cope, to me it is just wrong and I am still alive, if it happened after my death, it would be more wrong in my personal view. This is just my opinion not the law unto Truckstars. I am sure in an open forum I am allowed just that.

By being members we all agree to a certain number of rules. Perhaps you should reread the first one:

1) No personal attacks. You can have differences of opinion. You can even say things like, "You need counseling." But name calling and the like are verbotten.

By coming in here and calling Dave pathetic and dictating what he must do to stop being pathetic is pretty damned egregious to the above. Mrs. Truckstar has no involvement in his life such as being a lover or significant other. She's being judgmental and needs to stop it. This is a place for sharing our life experiences. If you don't like what's going on then go the fuck away. It's that simple. I'm fairly sure Dave didn't ask her to post her opinion so it was completely unjustified.
How would you two like if I went to your threads and called you out like that? I'm sure I'd get flamed or have this post essentially made toward me or potentially even banned from the site. Shove off.

RE-read Curious Dave posts and you will find several times that opinion and advice was indeed asked for. Re-read my post spyguy24, I did not call Curious Dave pathetic and I actually followed his post where indeed he calls himself pathetic, what I did was to answer him in a way that he could prove to himself that he wasn't. By the way you have said those things to me and I accept your opinions. The advice, which is not an order, remember advice is a take or leave it thing was to call her mum and tell the truth, he doesn't have to of course but if he did, that would be dramatic not pathetic. To sit back and do nothing - well we could all have an opinion on that couldn't we. telling the truth is never a bad thing and requires nothing to hide it or remember it. Re-read what I put please. If it is inaccurate then I will stay the fuck away. If it is not then there is no need to say sorry as i know you are just stating your opinion.
He says

First let me say one thing. I know a lot of what I'm gonna say is going to make me sound pathetic to many of you.

In order for you to not be pathetic, call her mum and tell her the truth,

Dave, you have a lot of fans and that is good for you, I am not very popular here at the minute, because some people choose to have a go at me for offering honest advice, because they don't actually know what I am saying they automatically think it is an attack, which it isn't. I feel for you, I as a parent and mother-in-law cannot get my head around the this particular situation, I haven't personally attacked you and wouldn't, my comments maybe controversial but they are my comments. I am sure you want some band aid and I am sure you want some reality. I hope you get both. If every time we get hurt we smother ourselves only with sorrow, unwelcome or even welcomed pity and soothing pats on the back we will never get anywhere.

You know in your heart you contributed a little to this and that probably hurts like mad. No matter what you did though you could not have made them sleep with each other. Both your Step-dad and Jen are adults and they both made adult choices as such and the result is the result, not caused by me or you for that matter, just fantasized by you, but commented on by me. If anything I have written on this thread is untrue, please point it out so that I can on behalf of my husband and myself make an unreserved public apology. If it is true let us leave it as it stands. You know that I followed you from the beginning of your journey on the other website (began with the letter C), We came here on your recommendation, because the other forum was losing it's way and up to now I liked it here.

We wish you well in your recovery, my point in shorter form is - You encouraged her, many men encourage their wives to HW/cuck and the wife never does. you didn't force her. Dad didn't know the plan or that you knew, so there is a chance it would have happened anyway, wouldn't make it less tragic, I fantasize about the lottery, it may never come true. Sharing your fantasy with your wife was not the fault or cause of all of this.

This is exactly what I wanted to avoid. I do not want you good people fighting, arguing, getting upset with each other over my life and situation. I am a big boy and can handle the comments, advice, constructive criticism , not so constructive criticism and so on. People give their opinions and that's totally ok. People understand I will take it for what it is, opinions. I know I have to live my own life and will do what I want whether it suits someone on this board or not. So for those defending me, please don't feel you have too. I appreciate the effort and where it's coming from but don't feel you need to set anyone straight. If I don't agree with what's being said I likely will just ignore it anyway. I don't have the time to get in a big fuss over it anyway. I know that each and every person here has my best interest at heart. We all just see and deal with things differently. Some would have me continue on like I am, some would have me seek revenge. It's just how we all do things differently. It's not the end of the world. I appreciate all of you for your advice and thoughts. If I like it I may use it, if not I don't hold it against anybody. Please guy's don't argue anymore. It's really ok. I am surprising myself everyday with how well I am dealing with all this.

[curiousdave]

Thank you Dave for returning to the forum and concluding your story. The death of your marriage is just so ineffably sad. Yet you seem to be able not to begrudge Jen her happiness. You are the better man than your readers.

Thank you

[curiousdave]

I'm finding it hard to remember every user name to thank lol. Let me just name a few of you and thank you for what you've said and done. I appreciate all of you very much... armyguy, wistful, sassycat, hotwifedee, trixkat, susanshusband, mopacpower,oldcavsct, submissivecuckold and the rest. Thanks so much for continuing to follow my story and care. I am not leaving out any body on purpose I know many of you said nice words of encouragement but these were the names that I could remember off the top of my head. So many of you

[curiousdave]

OK, I'm gonna babble a bit..... OK a LOT!
Dave said "I know a lot of what I'm gonna say is going to make me sound pathetic to many of you. If that's the case feel free to express that. It won't bother me much because I already think that way about myself anyway. But I have to admit that the bashing (deserved or not) of Jenna and my dad does bother me. I know it probably shouldn't and I should maybe be feeling the same way but I don't. I love them both. More than I can express with words so when I read the harsh judgements it does hurt me some. It's ok if you want to say this or that but please if you can, try and tone down the hate a tad for me if nothing else. For whatever reason it does hurt to read such things. Thank you."
I believe you are not pathetic and on another subject of dad and son, I'm certain my "son" (NO genetic relation at all) loves me as I do him.
More so as the years fly by............. We are very close by the way. Talk more to the old guy....
Dave, thank you for asking that the "slamming" (my words) stops. You do not deserve it. You're kinky as hell but not an ass. Well, us guys are from time to time but then again so are our ladies.....
Jen came clean to you? Fantastic! Every woman who holds secrets (I almost wrote "ought to be shot" but that is NOT how I feel as my wife is a secret holder.....) should be encouraged to tell stuff that makes her uncomfortable! Another poster said something of the same sort...
"she usually needs to be angry to be that proactive about things that push her comfort zone" OH god! I wish I had figured that out 25 years ago! Or at least yesterday!
Darn secretive women! Your wife Jenna may be the twin sister ('tho much younger) of my wife!
You are doing what you can to live thru this experience, you WILL survive. As will I.....
Glad to see you posting. Good or otherwise.

Thanks a lot! Made me feel good to read this!

[curiousdave]

I told you she was fucking him already!

I have to admit it, you did I guess you know your stuff pretty well. To be honest I probably should have seen it as well. But I was clouded I guess. I was so busy hoping and fantasizing I guess I missed some signs. But then again in retrospect I did see the signs that led me to start fantasizing in the first place so.

[curiousdave]

She admitted that it was much more than lust, even way back in the beginning. She pretty much had a crush on my dad the first time they ever met.
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She got swept up in her own fantasies and emotions (before I ever came clean about my fantasies).
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I guess I am a complete masochist or something. I mean I must be to find any kind of pleasure or sexual thrill in all this. I think it's incredibly disgusting that I can feel this way but I do. I will admit I've been masturbating constantly over all this. I am ashamed of this and only admit it here because no one here really knows me in real life.
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Now besides all this there were two major factors in everything happening the way it did. The timing, the way, all of it. First when they split up and he went out with the other woman. That really sank it home for her what her feelings truly were. She then knew it was real love that couldn't be put off or ignored. She just could not lose him.

Dave, thank you so very much for sharing all of this with us. I honestly don't think it's over yet. Jen (and perhaps John) is still living in the "happily ever after" fantasy. There may come a time, just maybe, when she says to herself, "OMFG, what was I thinking?!?"

Still, because she has had a crush on him for years and years, we don't know how it will work out. It's too soon to say. Whenever I hear someone say something like "real love that couldn't be ignored," I hear fantasy going on. If you feel like I'm bashing her in that regard, I'm sorry, but that's how I feel about it. It comes across to me as a lack of maturity on her part.

I am sorry to hear that you are ashamed and embarrassed about getting an erotic charge from the fact that she has left you for him. You don't have to be ashamed of it. It's okay to feel that, and it's okay to get so excited by it that you jerk off, thinking of them together. I know that feeling. My GF and I have talked about that one a number of times. And while she may not completely understand it, she knows how I feel about it. When she was actively dating guys (during the time while we've been living together) we talked about it. She said that if she ever did move out to be with a lover, she would stay closely in touch with me and share all the things that I would want to know. All of the erotic details, and all of the emotions and feelings. And she said it this way: She said that she would stay in touch with me just like two girlfriends. As you might imagine from the tone of this paragraph, I was absolutely thrilled to hear that, and told her that I would be very happy about that, if it happened. Of course I'd feel sad, but terribly excited too.

Her mom was and is very disappointed and embarrassed about it all. Jenna says she made her feel about an inch tall the way she scolded and talked down to her about it. But in the end, her mom wants Jenna's ultimate happiness and told her if this is what she feels then she must pursue it. But she did insist that she stop playing around behind my back (once again she obviously didn't tell the whole truth) and come clean about everything. She hates that Jenna hurt me in this way (Jen's mom loves me like a son)

Her Mom sounds like a keeper. While I know that she's Jen's Mom and will always be a part of her life, I honestly think that her Mother is a keeper, and that you should always keep her in your life, in one way or another.

Thank you again for sharing these latest feelings and developments with us. I look forward to hearing from you more in the future.

Thanks b_p. I agree her mom is a keeper and I will try very hard to continue my relationship with her. Thanks for everything else you said too.

[curiousdave]

What is your cover story for when friends ask about Jenna, John, and you?

Are you still going to live in the condo, or do you have to move, with just the one income?

Isn't Jenna a twin, what does her sister think of this?

Work on yourself, Dave. Learn to do Karate or Tai-chi, or something, it will give you something to do and build up your muscle tone and your confidence back. Swimming is also a great muscle builder and you might meet someone new.

So far I have only told one friend. My closest friend for years. Obviously I can't hide the facts forever, or even much longer but so far I've only told one. He was supportive and upset for me, but he can tell I'm doing ok under the circumstances and is giving me my space to work on it myself. That's what I told him I wanted so. As for what will be told to others... Well I'll tell the truth (without the me knowing and encouraging kinky stuff). I just haven't felt like sharing it with any of them yet. Probably this week I'll let some others know before they start finding out on their own.

I will be staying here in the condo by myself. I should be able to continue on on my own income. I may have to cut back a little here and there on luxuries but I think I can manage for now. If things get too bad maybe I can find a roommate.

Jenna has a younger sister. They look similar but no, not a twin. Boy 2 Jenna's, now that's a thought lol. I have not spoken to her personally but from what her mom said to me she was in shock as well and felt bad for me. I have a good/decent relationship with her and I do love her as a sister in law. But we are not super duper close. She's a little younger and out living her own life, with her own boyfriend and stuff. We don't talk a lot.

I plan on starting back exercising and when I'm able playing pick up hoops again. Not able just yet but I am doing some stuff already for my back. Just nothing hardcore.

[mopacpower]

Thank you for the nice comments. Please keep us posted of what occurs, I would like to hear what's happening in your life.

Enjoy life. Keep your positive outlook, and look at the greener pastures, you might meet someone new.

[sassycat0508]

. Your Dad was a douche, it's called a total wanker in England. Your wife is also a bitch and you are pathetic or at least you were.

How many times did people PM you and write in this thread what would happen, you just ignored it.

Your wife will have told him about you to soften the blow on him and her. She will have said about your encouragement etc. You clearly write about her lies, then it takes another lie to cover that lie, the liar doesn't know where to stop.

In order for you to not be pathetic, call her mum and tell her the truth, call your dad and tell him the truth, people can make real judgements based on the truth. Mind you if she is telling lie to him, he will be crushed at some stage and he deserves it.

Apart from your months of turmoil and all your dithering you have had a let off. Edit -:(let off means you have had a lucky escape)

" you are pathetic". Is a direct quote from you mrs. Trucks tar.

[MrsTruckstar]

. Your Dad was a douche, it's called a total wanker in England. Your wife is also a bitch and you are pathetic or at least you were. If that's the case feel free to express that.

How many times did people PM you and write in this thread what would happen, you just ignored it.

Your wife will have told him about you to soften the blow on him and her. She will have said about your encouragement etc. You clearly write about her lies, then it takes another lie to cover that lie, the liar doesn't know where to stop.

In order for you to not be pathetic, call her mum and tell her the truth, call your dad and tell him the truth, people can make real judgements based on the truth. Mind you if she is telling lie to him, he will be crushed at some stage and he deserves it.

Apart from your months of turmoil and all your dithering you have had a let off. Edit -:(let off means you have had a lucky escape)

" you are pathetic". Is a direct quote from you Mrs.Truckstar.

I agree but you can't nail me to a cross for partial sentences, I put or at least you were, implies not now. And from Dave If that's the case feel free to express that. Means he wants us to say something.

I am truly sorry if any word, words or partial sentences or even full ones have been misunderstood.

[frank22]

I think Mrs. Truckstar makes a lot of really good points (as does Arizona and others) There's nothing hateful or malicious in her posts on this thread so I wish people would stop attacking her. No one posting on here is trying to kick Dave while he is down.

[Toonfan66]

As someone who has followed Dave's journey from the beginning, or if not exactly the very beginning then certainly pretty early on, I have to say I've been enthralled with every twist and turn. I'd be lying if I didn't say at times I wondered could this really be true, how could someone be living what many consider to be the ultimate fantasy; but the writing seemed so genuine and heartfelt, the details and feelings so well communicated, that in the end did it really matter. I was just going to hang on for the ride and see where we all ended up.

At times I've found this journey to be highly erotic, arousing, edgy, scary, and unfortunately sometimes just plain sad, particularly latterly.

I think that, as an outsider, albeit one who has followed every twist and turn, that it is sad that at times people's emotions have gotten the better of them on this thread. Sometimes it's enough to read what is written, digest, and move on. Not every post demands a reply and not everyone has something valid to say. The bickering, sniping, quoting and rebuttals are not, in my opinion, adding anything to this thread, quite the contrary.

I suspect if you were to read Dave's posts, and Dave's alone, this story would be as powerful as anything most of us have read. The only person on here who has the right (if that's the correct word) to get emotionally involved is Dave himself; as far as I'm concerned the rest of us are living this as voyeurs, no more no less.

Dave, thank you for taking the time to start this thread, for keeping it going despite your physical difficulties, and for keeping on going even when fantasy and reality parted ways in a way most of us were hoping wouldn't happen. Life has a way of evening things out, and we all suffer ups and downs at times, and I sincerely I hope things quickly get back on an even keel for you as soon as possible. Whatever happens with you, Jenna, and John, or anyone else come to that, I wish you all the best for the future.

[allengt]

. Your Dad was a douche, it's called a total wanker in England. Your wife is also a bitch and you are pathetic or at least you were.

How many times did people PM you and write in this thread what would happen, you just ignored it.

Your wife will have told him about you to soften the blow on him and her. She will have said about your encouragement etc. You clearly write about her lies, then it takes another lie to cover that lie, the liar doesn't know where to stop.

In order for you to not be pathetic, call her mum and tell her the truth, call your dad and tell him the truth, people can make real judgements based on the truth. Mind you if she is telling lie to him, he will be crushed at some stage and he deserves it.

Apart from your months of turmoil and all your dithering you have had a let off. Edit -:(let off means you have had a lucky escape)

" you are pathetic". Is a direct quote from you mrs. Trucks tar.

You have done enough bickering on this thread. If you are going to quote someone then quote it correctly. IE

In order for you to not be pathetic, call her mum and tell her the truth,

[rs480]

Dave, you were talking about speaking with your friend above (12:36 today) in a response to mopac...
You already know that a guy has to be very careful with what he says with a friend. Kudos to you for that.
I'm a bit slower.
The second time I hinted at my proclivities to my friend, he went off on me and babbled on and on about how he couldn't comprehend someone fucking another guy's wife and on and on. In our own worlds, if we look and listen, there is a lot of adultery out there. This friend is one of the most open minded (and has done some of the craziest shit ever) people I know and yet? I caught hell in a roundabout way as to my thinking.
You already have that figured out! Cool! I also know you are a bit younger than I.
You already know to "judge" each situation "as it comes" and I believe you will do that at each turn! That is grownup. Rock on dear Dave!
I, for myself, give a shit about you! Ya, it may suck right now but I still give a shit about a stranger. You.
Did that come out right? I care Dave!
rs

[sergio27]

I do not intend to argue this with anyone. Just highlight a few points.

1. I think Dave dealing with the whole thing correctly and mature. There is no point in trying to ruin their lives and not to hate them. It will only lead him to be miserable and not able to rebuild his life.

2. I appreciate the fact that JAN never told anyone about the cuckold relationship. It would be very embarrassing to all parties and especially for DAVE. He was losing the love and respect given him by family and friends.
The secret must remain between them.

3. I can not judge anyone in this story. Dad tried to stop the affair. Till convinced by
Jan that her husband knows and accepts this. Further connection between them deepened especially in the period Dave could not function sexually.
Jan got the man of her dreams. if she feels remorse, it will pass it quickly. I do not expect her to come back to Dave soon or in the future. I think John and Jan married soon and make children.
Dave achieved what he wanted. Even a fairly sad.
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I'm so torn inside. I do not ever want to lose her completely but there is a dark deep down desire to actually see that happen I think. I don't talk about this really (mentioned to 1 person in private here) but I do have fantasies of her leaving me and being with him completely. Becoming his woman, marrying him, having his child so on. It almost makes me feel sick thinking it, much less sharing it. But a few times my fantasies have taken this direction when pleasuring myself and I must admit the outcome was very powerful and strong for me. It touches some sensitive areas within me that aren't really fun to be touched but still excite me in a huge way. But regardless of all that, what do I do?

Dave , all the best for you and keep posting

[54321]

Dear Dave,

What a sweetie you are.

Every good wish,

54321

[curiousdave]

I do not intend to argue this with anyone. Just highlight a few points.

1. I think Dave dealing with the whole thing correctly and mature. There is no point in trying to ruin their lives and not to hate them. It will only lead him to be miserable and not able to rebuild his life.

2. I appreciate the fact that JAN never told anyone about the cuckold relationship. It would be very embarrassing to all parties and especially for DAVE. He was losing the love and respect given him by family and friends.
The secret must remain between them.

3. I can not judge anyone in this story. Dad tried to stop the affair. Till convinced by
Jan that her husband knows and accepts this. Further connection between them deepened especially in the period Dave could not function sexually.
Jan got the man of her dreams. if she feels remorse, it will pass it quickly. I do not expect her to come back to Dave soon or in the future. I think John and Jan married soon and make children.
Dave achieved what he wanted. Even a fairly sad.
page 3 :
I'm so torn inside. I do not ever want to lose her completely but there is a dark deep down desire to actually see that happen I think. I don't talk about this really (mentioned to 1 person in private here) but I do have fantasies of her leaving me and being with him completely. Becoming his woman, marrying him, having his child so on. It almost makes me feel sick thinking it, much less sharing it. But a few times my fantasies have taken this direction when pleasuring myself and I must admit the outcome was very powerful and strong for me. It touches some sensitive areas within me that aren't really fun to be touched but still excite me in a huge way. But regardless of all that, what do I do?

Dave , all the best for you and keep posting

Seeing that quoted now it's almost sort of scary. Maybe a part of me willed this to actually happen. Well I guess part of me did but still from my discussions with Jen it really wouldn't have mattered. Things were heading a certain path anyway, with or without my fantasies and coaxing. I did though let things slip or maybe on purpose "slip" during our sex that let her know where my mind was at. She didn't always acknowledge it outwardly but I know she was getting the messages. Not every time but sometimes she played along, sometimes lead the way with this sort of fantasy discussion or roleplay. I didn't always bring it up here because I wasn't sure what would be thought or said. The one time I mentioned the little "mother/son" thing it caused a little displeasure so I sort of hesitated in bringing it all up. I do realize though she was aware of my mindset and knew how to push my buttons with it.

I will write about my last (probably ever) sexual interaction with her and how we touched heavily on this stuff. I have jacked off numerous times now remembering that night. It won't be hot like the stuff some of you loved before but it was and is hot to me. I'll try and write this down soon.

[rs480]

Thanks Dave! Do get to typing would you?