Wife and my Dad

[old folks]

OK, my take on this from past experiences and with 2 ex wives.

One left me for an older man that was richer than a Democratic politician. They took off, we got a divorce and less than two yrs later, she wanted to come back. He came to me saying things had gotten out of hand with the sex they were having while she was a hotwife. They both construed it to be love but later found it to be a huge mistake. The age difference meant they really had nothing in common. From her point of view, he had way more to offer financially and emotionally than I did. From his point of view, the younger woman, the regular sex and the newness of it. Both regretted all that happened and she wanted to come back. They got a divorce but we did not get back together. It did not work once and it would not work the second time.

The second wife wanted to try others and found a man she felt would be better for her and they had a lot in common. Less than a yr later, she came back asking if she could come back. I let her. It lasted about 12 yrs and she was gone again.

This may or may not be the case in the future for you but it has been the case for many when women leave for older men.

I have also had flings with younger women. We were just always on different wave lengths. I have found women in my age bracket work best for me and I now have that woman. She is a hotwife and the sex is fantastic. We communicate well and all is out in the open, as it should be.

Good luck in the future and I hope things work as you want them to in life.

[CuckedIn67]

OK, my take on this from past experiences and with 2 ex wives.

One left me for an older man that was richer than a Democratic politician. They took off, we got a divorce and less than two yrs later, she wanted to come back. He came to me saying things had gotten out of hand with the sex they were having while she was a hotwife. They both construed it to be love but later found it to be a huge mistake. The age difference meant they really had nothing in common. From her point of view, he had way more to offer financially and emotionally than I did. From his point of view, the younger woman, the regular sex and the newness of it. Both regretted all that happened and she wanted to come back. They got a divorce but we did not get back together. It did not work once and it would not work the second time.

The second wife wanted to try others and found a man she felt would be better for her and they had a lot in common. Less than a yr later, she came back asking if she could come back. I let her. It lasted about 12 yrs and she was gone again.

This may or may not be the case in the future for you but it has been the case for many when women leave for older men.

I have also had flings with younger women. We were just always on different wave lengths. I have found women in my age bracket work best for me and I now have that woman. She is a hotwife and the sex is fantastic. We communicate well and all is out in the open, as it should be.

Good luck in the future and I hope things work as you want them to in life.

I am very happy for your being able to find the right woman to share love and cuck lifestyle with. Life does not always work out that way.

[harry2614]

Hi! I just signed on to this site. I have read Dave's full story to date and find it very poignant.

Dave, I hope you are still checking in to read what folks are saying. Your experience is very revealing as to the dangers and pitfalls of this lifestyle.
I think the suggestion that you write a book about your life as a cuckold is a very good one that you should consider. Perhaps it would not be a huge moneymaker, That is not be the reason I recommend it. The reason is that you could very well save someone else the obvious 'heartache' that you are going through right now.

It would not be difficult to put it together. Just copy all your posts, change all the names, and dates. Write it in 'first person'.
You are a good writer. Your story is very fascinating

It really don't matter if Jenna, or your Dad find it. Actually it would be a good way to fully explain your feelings to both of them.

Finally, I believe it would be very therapeutic for you and help you move beyond the pain this has caused you.

If you do, as you say, eventually go into 'therapy', one of the things they would have you do is to "write your story" so you could see it in perspective.

I will check in on you to see what you think of my suggestion.

[Mia]

Hi! I just signed on to this site. I have read Dave's full story to date and find it very poignant.

Dave, I hope you are still checking in to read what folks are saying. Your experience is very revealing as to the dangers and pitfalls of this lifestyle.
I think the suggestion that you write a book about your life as a cuckold is a very good one that you should consider. Perhaps it would not be a huge moneymaker, That is not be the reason I recommend it. The reason is that you could very well save someone else the obvious 'heartache' that you are going through right now.

It would not be difficult to put it together. Just copy all your posts, change all the names, and dates. Write it in 'first person'.
You are a good writer. Your story is very fascinating

It really don't matter if Jenna, or your Dad find it. Actually it would be a good way to fully explain your feelings to both of them.

Finally, I believe it would be very therapeutic for you and help you move beyond the pain this has caused you.

If you do, as you say, eventually go into 'therapy', one of the things they would have you do is to "write your story" so you could see it in perspective.

I will check in on you to see what you think of my suggestion.

Welcome to OHW.



Mia

[harry2614]

Well, I wonder if dave has 'vacated' his thread?
He has been absent for about a month now. Does any of you that posted/supported him know what has happened with him and how he is doing?

I am new and don't know if this site has "Private Messages". Maybe some of you have heard from him through 'other means'

Thanks, Harry

[curiousdave]

Well, I wonder if dave has 'vacated' his thread?
He has been absent for about a month now. Does any of you that posted/supported him know what has happened with him and how he is doing?

I am new and don't know if this site has "Private Messages". Maybe some of you have heard from him through 'other means'

Thanks, Harry

I'm still around. I've just been extremely busy of late. I'll try and write a little soon and update my situation for those still interested. Thanks for your comments.

[CuckedIn67]

Dave, glad to hear from you and I am totally waiting to hear more of your situation. My own situation seems to be in a bad place right now and I too could lose my most valuable lady. Talk to you soon.

[Niblick]

Glad to hear you are still kicking...

[wingman]

Dave -

Great to read your hanging in there!! Look forward to an update when you have a chance.

[davewine]

Dave, Please keep us up to date. I know how you feel and wish you the best with your situation.

[curiousdave]

Hello friends, long time no talk huh? Seriously my apologies for such a long time between updates. I have been very busy with work and other things but still, I could have dropped in for some kind of something before now. To be honest I've bounced back and forth between letting all this go, the whole thing. At times it has just become too all consuming for me and my "sane" side says that writing about it, continuing to think about it at all is just prolonging it all and causing me to live a stunted type life. I seem to have stopped growing and moving forward. But then on the other hand I still feel like wallowing in it all and saying "Fuck everything else, this brings me such intense emotions and sexual release, what can top it?"


So for right now...today, I feel like thinking about it, talking about it, living it!

My divorce became final just about a week ago now and that really stirred up the old emotions for me. Before that I felt I was starting to really move forward at least a little but ever since receiving notice it was a done deal I have really thought of little else. My contact with Jen has been few and far between and my contact with Dad even less. I think my relationship with him may be done. I guess he just doesn't care to keep in contact with his new woman's old husband (which I can totally relate too). I just thought the father / son thing would trump that, guess not. It's ok really, for whatever reason my emotional bond with him has diminished quite a bit of late and I don't feel all too terrible about that now. I do still feel real yearnings and desire for Jenna though. I am thinking it may never go away now. Every time I move a little away from those thoughts something will happen and suck me completely back in again.

The "no contact" issue with Jen was obviously initiated by me, as reported here several times. But it really went into overdrive over the "new car" thing I talked about. I guess I must have really showed attitude over it and she got the message. Now whenever we've talked she's seemed distant and cold towards me. That hurts a lot even though I know I shouldn't be interacting with her at all. The dark side of my mind still needs and wants interaction, even if it's humiliating and painful.

The girl I talked about seeing didn't pan out. We went out again but there just weren't any sparks at all. I found myself sitting there comparing her to Jen (and she just can't compete with that). For her part she felt it too and showed little interest in continuing on with anything more. Not much of anything so no biggie at all.

Recently I have reconnected with an old friend from highschool. A girl I dated for about a minute once when Jen and I were on a break. She was and is really cute . No Jen but still a cutie. She's divorced and has a very young child. I haven't met her face to face yet as she lives about 2 hours away but we have chatted online and talked on the phone a few times. She seems interested in me and I wouldn't mind meeting up with her and seeing what's what. Right now our schedules just haven't matched up to allow a meeting. We'll see I guess.


I've been thinking a lot about meeting with an escort and asking her to roleplay my situation with me. It seems like it could possibly help me with the fantasy side of things that I am not going to be able to get over any time soon. I obviously am not going to be able to discuss this or hope for a new girl in my life to play along with something like this so what else could I do?

Lets see, what do I know or can report on about Jen's new life? I don't know allot because of our little contact but one thing I heard through a mutual friend is she found her new salon spot and building has started. Not sure about this but last time we talked she said they were probably buying that lake house I mentioned before. She said he was reluctant with all he has on his plate right now but she really wants it (and we know how that goes). They flew to Minnesota a few weeks ago to go to a wedding on his side of the family. I have jacked off quite a bit to that thought. I mean by now everyone that matters already knows the deal but I still had all these humiliating thoughts and ideas about everything. Them being seen as a couple together (everyone knowing how it all started out, them as FIL DIL), knowing she left me for him. All the people, well most of them knowing me at least a little. I know the talk had to be juicy at the very least.

I've been really tempted to call her and ask about life, what's been going on , so on. I just feel I need it. I know some of you, most feel I need to tell her to go screw herself and leave me the fuck alone forever and I understand and agree with that for the most part. But guys (and girls) I just don't feel totally ready for a complete separation...not yet anyway. So what I would like if you care to offer it, is how can I reconnect a little bit without seeming like such a desperate loser. I know now I was getting what I needed or what she felt I still needed when she came by to show the car off and I blew it. Now I think I would love something like that to happen again. Just to know she was thinking of me a little and still wanted to include me in her new life. Maybe even throw me a sympathy little tease to help me get my rocks off. I'm so torn and conflicted between what's right and what feels good or erotic or sexy or whatever. I need something, anything at this point. I may call her tonight or tomorrow if I can work up the courage.

I may write back later tonight if I think of anything I forgot or wanted to say. Right now I can't think of anything else. Anything other than wanting to connect with Jenna in some way , shape or form.

Thanks everyone!

[b_p]

Thanks very much for the update, Dave. It's appreciated, but please don't feel like you have some kind of obligation to us here. I assumed (correctly, as it turned out) that you were dealing with things much as you are. That means there will be times when we don't hear from you for a while, and that's perfectly okay.

Congratulations/sympathy, etc., on your divorce becoming final. That's obviously one of those things that can stir up a bunch of emotional stuff, as you noticed. And you'll be moving forward again soon. It's just a bump in the road, not a permanent setback. (I once bought myself a card that said, "Divorce is like Thanksgiving leftovers. You're better off after the turkey's gone.")

It IS interesting that the father-son bond didn't trump his attraction to Jenna. Not that it decreased, but rather, that it demonstrated that it wasn't as strong as you would have thought. As for your yearnings for Jenna, I think it's entirely natural that those will be around for a long time. I've felt a longing for both of my exes at times, but it slowly diminishes. Still I occasionally wonder if either of those relationships could have been saved, and the first of them ended nearly 30 years ago. There will always be things that "suck you back in." They will lessen over time.

Personally, I don't suggest trying to get an escort to work through the issues. If you really want to work through them, hire a therapist. And that comes from someone who was in a relationship with a person who did some escorting (see relationship with first ex above). I just don't think that an escort is likely to be mentally equipped to deal with the stuff you have. But a lot would depend on the person.

I think the car thing was a watershed event for you in your relationship with her. The problem with it is the degree, the intensity of the thing. I think she handled it in a very clumsy way. She could have just told you over the phone about it, which would have been less "in your face." Or maybe she just misread where you were at, at that particular point in time.

I don't blame you a bit for wanting to call her and ask about life in general. Personally, I do NOT fall into the camp who says, "Screw her, never have anything to do with her again." Yes, she screwed up. It's still okay to care about her and to want to have some occasional contact. Lots of people stay in contact and stay friends with their exes. Here's how I think you could reconnect without seeming to be desperate:

Give her a call and keep it light. Ask her how she's doing and tell her the truth, which is that you were just wondering how things are going for her right now, that you care about her as a person. If you get her voice mail, do the same thing, just keep it light. You're not needy, and you shouldn't portray yourself that way. The truth is that you still care about her on some level, you're not looking to reconnect and go back to where you were with her. Take the high road, which in this case means that you're just wondering how she is and asking about her as a friend.

And THEN after you sign off from the call, you can go home and jerk off about it. Seriously, it's okay. If she suggests something more involved, you're free to deal with that as you want to, although I think most of us here would suggest that you take it slowly and carefully at first.

It's always interesting to see what comes out in phone calls like that. People can sometimes volunteer huge amounts of information about themselves at those times, so it would be interesting to see what you find out, if anything. Just being a caring friend could cause her to open up with huge amounts of information she might decide to share with you. She may feel a bit isolated right now. Being with alpha males tends to cause that.

I also think it's interesting to read about the beach house. It was one of the things that was going on near the end of your marriage to her. Now I'm hearing that he's waffling on it, and she's starting to push him a bit on it. Interesting inter-personal dynamics, I think. Maybe I was right after all, about him borrowing all the money to buy that car for her. You were the better catch for her, seriously. I'm not saying that to make you feel better, I'm saying it because I think it's true. For all of his "alpha" type behavior, you're a better partner.

[Wistful]

Thanks for posting, Dave. I often think of your situation, and always check to see if there may be fresh information.

Hard for me to comment when you have already decided what you want and need to do (check in with Jenna.) When I am hurt my response is to grow cold, and avoid the hurter. If I were hurt to the depths your Dad and Jenna hurt you, I'd relocate to Alaska (yeah, I live here, but you get the point) and hope nevermore to cross their paths. But you are the better man, and I hope it works for you.

[lozrob66]

Jenna would have been better off with a man of a similar age or should I say a similar stage in life. Does she want children? Does your father-like person want children? If she has children will they be your step-brothers? For all you efforts to self-destruct your marriage you were probably a better choice of partner for Jenna. Too late now though! She'll have to make do with Pops.
Do not wallow in self pity, Dave. You have far more opportunity now than Jenna has. Let her enjoy her car. I bet one day she will gladly swap it for whatever is coming your way. New women are a healthy way of getting over the lost love but don't settle down unnecessarily.

[VioletAtSea]

Hi, Dave. I have followed your posts but never commented before. It would certainly be understandable if you chose not to visit this forum any more because of the emotions it dredges up. I wanted to say I wish you well, as I am sure do other silent readers. If you do continue to post, I hope you derive some solace from your many supporters here.

[mopacpower]

Hi Dave, Congratulation's on getting the divorce settled. And I say no don't call her yet, it has just been finalized. Call on her on the holiday or birthdays, or send her a card. I am very surprised about Dad breaking off from you, I wonder why that is, massive amounts of guilt when he sees you? Or has she ask him to break off from you. I agree keep it extremely simple and light.

I say join a divorce support group, don't do this alone. Many churches have these. or get you a therapist to talk to. You will keep comparing everyone to your ex-wife until you find someone else to move into your heart.

Keep talking to the old High School girl, even if you don't develop a sexual relationship, any contact is good. Remember to play with daughter if she likes you than Mom will to. Drive 2 hours to take them to the beach or amusement park. People in Montana drive that to go to the store.

Summary:
1. Don't call, let her call you. Call on the Holiday's.
2. Join a group/therapist, to talk to.
3. Drive and meet the girl.

[wingman]

Dave
I have done the same thing with my ex. Its not unusual to try and squeeze every last drop out of the relationship. If you call her, I agree with the suggestions to keep it light. One way to start it would to call her and admit to being harsh when she brought the car by. That you hoped you two couldremainfriends, and you wouldlike to have lunch to clear the air. To make things interesting, ask her not to tell your dad. Tell her your not quite ready for him to know that you want to remain friends.
If youmeet, keep it light, though I would ask her if she misses the tease?

Good luck, let us know what happens.

[shedidit]

Dave,

I don't get on to the forum nearly as much as I'd like but, I just spent the past two days reading about your trials and tribulations. Sadly, as I was reading, I felt that is was going this way. I hoped that it didn't and my stomach actually dropped like I was on a roller coaster when I read Jenna had left you for him. I felt anger and sadness all at the same time, though we've never met and I do not have a large footprint on the forum, I feel like all of us have felt for you or grown with you or learned from you and for that, I thank you.

There have been enough "hang in there's" or "told you so's" that I won't even insult you by giving you either of the two. I will say that my wife and I have dabbled in hotwifing and occasionally some cuckold play. The minute she started to seem to revolve our sex life solely around his, I didn't like it one bit and we have since slowed to barely a crawl.

I tell you that to tell you, I have no idea how you find the strength to "be okay" with it all. I salute you and applaud you. I understand the mentality of what it is to be a cuckold but, as I was reading this, I thought enough is enough. I get the humiliation aspect but, for you to show class as every turn has been nothing short of admirable.

I hope you continue to get better both physically and mentally. I hope you continue to reconnect with old flames (even if it was brief) and I hope you slowly begin to divorce yourself completely from her and him. I know it is tough but, you've shown time and again through your postings and writings that you know what you need to do.

Thank you for baring your soul to all of us. It goes without say that you have a plethora of supporters and fans in this forum.

Regards.
Ray

[mickle]

Thanks for keeping us up to date. Personally I would try to keep the relationship open with your dad, he obviously feel embarrassed about his conduct with Jenna, but somehow you have to convince him that you do not hold any animosity towards him or Jenna. Maybe if you met your dad for a drink or meal somewhere you could start building bridges. My wife had an affair for virtually two years with a close member of my family, He eventually grew tired of her, wanting a change and dumped her. I met him for a drink sometime afterwards, we talked and have put it behind us. you only have one life Dave.

[Thesquid]

I just finished reading all 1300 posts. Dave is one pathetic guy. You have to feel sorry for him, but he had to see this comming for miles. I wonder if this story really happened. Even if it didn't it was still a great story. After reading how it turned out,I almost hope it was fiction

[Reprobate]

Dave,

I think a lot about your experience. You posted how you felt about everything in such an eloquent way. Your posts have helped me frame my thoughts about whether I want my wife and I to step into this lifestyle or not. At this point I am undecided, but I do, and always have, craved that pang of humiliation. Ultimately, that pleasure I get from that pang may drive us forward into that lifestyle.

In response to your last post, I was interested to see that you now feel you may have blown it when Jenna came over with the new car. The fact that she came with a friend, that you didn't particularly care for, makes me believe that Jenna was trying still trying to play the humiliation game with you. It also occurs to me that her friend may have wanted in on the action. Imagine having sex with that friend why she is teasing you about Jenna.

I agree with others here that you should reach out to both your dad and Jenna. Jenna may still want to play and it is important to stay in contact with your dad. Who knows, if you get to spend some time with them as a couple, that erotic dream you had at the beginning of this thread may prove to be prophetic.

Take care!

[curiousdave]

Hey guys and girls. Wrong or right I finally have something interesting to write about .


After my last post here I ended up waiting a couple of days before doing anything. I settled on a simple friendly text just saying I missed hearing from her and she should send me a "Hello" every now and then. It was a couple hours later before she sent anything back and then it wasn't much. Just a smiley face an a "OK". I was kind of disappointed and felt maybe I had completely ruined any chance at any kind of further relationship with her. Not sure what I was thinking but maybe I was hoping for an immediate call back or something. I don't know, just being stupid I guess. She did leave me for another man after all so not sure what goes through my brain anyways.

A couple of days after that she sent me a "Hi, how are you" message. I can't lie I felt very good receiving that message. I knew then and now it wasn't a big deal or anything but at least she cared enough that she remembered and sent me something. We texted back and forth for a little while about nothing really. Well I did ask what were their plans for my Dad's birthday and she told me nothing special. He didn't want anything big and chose to just go out to dinner with just her. BTW I did send him a Happy B-Day text and said I hoped he had a good one. He replied back thanks and asked how I was and we texted a little, nothing special. Our relationship has obviously been changed forever now, I can tell. But I didn't see him, didn't buy him anything, didn't have any further contact other than the texting. So that was that.

Ok so no more contact with her until this past Friday. Before hearing from her again I really had decided that was it, she's finally broken free of any real thought or concern for me or my life and I just had to accept it and move on. Our previous texting that I mentioned had stayed cool and somewhat distant on her part. I tried joking and being silly a little and it was met with very little enthusiasm. To be honest she acted so aloof almost I wondered why she bothered replying at all. Oh yeah also she pretty much didn't inquire about my life or me at all, just answered my various questions with short type responses. So that's how I came to the conclusion she was done with me pretty much.

So on Friday I get a text right before I leave work and she asked what my plans for the evening were. I replied back "No plans, why?" My heart skipped a beat wondering why she would ask me that. Seemed like forever before she responded but finally she texted back saying she was going out with friends and thought maybe they would stop by for a bit if I wanted. I excitedly responded "Yes please stop by, I'd love to see you". A few minutes later she texted back saying "Ok" and a smiley face.

Ok guy's I'll go ahead and say it before you have too. I am pathetic and I know that. This just made my whole month or maybe my year! My ex-wife who left me for my own Father was going to stop by and visit me and I felt like I just won the fucking lottery. Pathetic ... Yes, excited...Even more so. Not knowing what to expect and mind racing with anticipation and like I already said, excitement I stopped by the store on the way home and picked up her favorite wine coolers and her favorite mixed drink mixes, just incase. I had no thoughts even getting close to sex or anything like that. I may be pathetic in some ways but I'm not a complete idiot. I just wanted to have some interaction face to face with her, some kind of bonding, experience, something. I missed her so damn badly and hadn't seen her face to face in so long it seemed. Any little morsel or bone she could throw my way was very wanted.

I cleaned the house and took a shower. Put on my best looking clothes lol, the works. Looking back I feel so lame how I was acting but it is what it is. She always has brought this type excitement out in me. It never changed all our time together. I don't think I ever got comfortable or settled, I always wanted to look my best or act my best around her. To me she's just that kind of special woman, she knows how to get that response from most people I think. Morally she may have some deficiencies (which I do not judge her on due to the back story we have with that), and maybe she is a little on the spoiled rotten side, but she is just the kind of woman who knows how to get what she wants, wrong or right. And that kind of woman does and probably always will excite me.

Around 8'oclock she texted they would be here soon. I asked who was coming and she said just her and one other girl (the girl who knew about everything from the salon). That caused my stomach to do a little back flip but still I was happy. I have already come to realize everyone knows now anyway so what does something like that even matter.


They got here around 8:30 and to my honest to goodness shock and surprise she greeted me with a big hug and a kiss on the cheek (only an inch or so away from my mouth). Her friend even hugged me (first time ever for that). I know Jenna has some big time haters here and like I've said before I understand that and appreciate why that hate is here in the first place...me, or what she did to me. I do appreciate that care I really do. But life is not perfect and neither are people. She's not perfect and she caused me a lot of pain this past year. But I still love her greatly. It actually feels like just as much as ever so you know, I forgive her. So please guys forgive me for tooting the horn for her so much now, I hope it doesn't rub anyone the wrong way. Jenna looked utterly stunning! She always does I guess and I probably wouldn't even notice if she wasn't at her best, but for whatever reason she looked the best I have ever seen her. I believe I may have said that once or twice already here, sorry lol. But she was stunning and to be honest I felt like my mouth was watering just taking her all in. She was wearing this shimmering white dress. Mid thigh and sleeveless and very high end, just like all her "going out" clothes. 6 inch heels too and you know what that means, basically her looking down at me. Her friend was looking pretty damn sexy too (but honestly it's hard to notice others when Jen is around). She was in a sexy blue dress with tons of cleavage showing (she's a double D) and 6 inch heels as well which also made her tower over me. I kind of felt very inadequate if you know what I mean. She's a couple inches shorter than Jen but the effect was still two gorgeous babes standing there looking down on me.

I invited them in and asked about their plans for the night, where they were heading and so on. They had already stopped for dinner and were supposed to meet up with 2 other girlfriends in a couple of hours, downtown at some fancy, expensive nightclub. Jen always loved hitting those kind of clubs but honestly I never enjoyed it much. Too damn expensive and I always felt like I stood out as someone who didn't really belong. Everyone at those places always looks like a million bucks and I just don't feel that way about myself. I don't think I'm ugly or anything but you know what I mean. Just a little bit above my pay grade I guess.

Sorry guys, a friend of mine just called and is fixing to be here. Surprise visit I wasn't planning on. I'll continue on as soon as he leaves.

[susanshusband]

I am happy that Jen cares enough to do this for you and I understand your feelings Dave. I hope it helps. I am just disappointed that she left you for him as she already had her cake and was eating it too! Part of me looks forward to your dad feeling the same thing when Jen trades him in for a new guy. What goes around.....

[lozrob66]

Really? Jenna haters! I don't hate anyone. OK, there's the life draining company I used to work for.....

[curiousdave]

Ok guys sorry about that. I guess I could have saved and waited to post it all but knowing myself I thought it best to post right away so I would be compelled to come back and finish it. Sorry.

So pretty much right away I noticed the huge rock on her finger. I didn't say anything about it and tried not to be too obvious but the damn thing was huge and staring right at me it seemed. Seems the old man had once again found a way to spoil her rotten lol. More about this later...

So we settled into the living room and sat down to catch up or whatever. Both girls just looked so hot and I felt more than a pang of jealousy/envy for my dad knowing he gets to have this to himself every night. Jen was so tanned and toned and in as good of shape as ever. Looked like she's spent hours in the gym every day I thought. I told her the same and she seemed pleased I noticed. She said she's been trying to be more dedicated lately and it did really show. Fucking Hot is the best thing I can say about her looks. I'm sorry for continuing to rant about that, I'll try and refrain a little because I know it can get old reading the same things over and over.

I asked them if they wanted anything to drink and they both did, asking what I had. Jen had a slight look of satisfaction on her face when I told her I had some of her favorites around (I didn't say I ran out and bought them a few hours earlier), but she must have known or suspected because I rarely drank her stuff opting more for beer or Vodka. We all went to the kitchen and I fixed their drinks. Lucky for me they both took their heels off so I didn't have to feel like such a tiny little man lol. We ended up hanging out in the kitchen for a while all drinking and talking.Both girls smoke so we went to the patio for a few so they could have a cigarette. This obviously brought back some memories for me as I sat in the lounger and watched Jen lean against the railing while she smoked, remembering our past erotic moments right in that spot. At one point while standing there I could swear she was remembering it too the way she gazed down at me with that same smug/sultry look. Highly erotic for me to say the least (even if it was only in my mind). I have no idea if she ever told her friend about that encounter but I doubt it. But still I don't know for sure.

Her friend was actually being slightly flirtatious with me I thought but maybe I was just dreaming. It just seems the more we drank the friendlier she became. We went back inside for a while then returned to the deck a few more times during their visit. The more they drank the more they wanted to smoke so. One time while out on the deck Jen and her friend started talking about breast. More importantly breast size and if Jen should get implants. I immediately piped in with a big "No" saying Jen had always had the nicest perkiest set and she didn't need them. But she's come to think they are too small and said she wants some like her friends. At that point she reached over with both hands and squeezed her friends pair through her dress causing both girls to squeal and giggle. I've seen her do such things in the past so I didn't over react or anything. Still hot to see it though. Apparently she's gotten it in her head that my dad would like her to have bigger ones. He has denied it she says but she thinks he does. Not that I want to think about it or talk about it much but my mom did get implants to a very big size many years ago so maybe Jen is right or maybe that's made her think he needs or wants that. I don't know. Either way she's seriously considering getting it done and her friend was sort of encouraging her about it saying how great it is to have big knockers and all the attention she gets for them and stuff. Her's look great and very natural but Jen has a different body type than her, a long and lean physique and I think it would be a mistake messing up her naturalness if that's even a word.

At some point while still outside her friend (more than a little buzzed) asked what I thought of Jen's ring. It caught me off guard and judging by her look I think she did it to see what my reaction would be. She had a very mischievous and playful look on her face when she asked. For her part Jen didn't seem very bothered that her friend asked and actually stuck her hand out so I could see it better. I told her it was very beautiful and admitted I had noticed it earlier but felt weird saying anything. Now her friend started really pouring it on about how big and beautiful it was and even opened the door to the kitchen and reached in and turned on the outside light so I could really see it better. By now I was pretty buzzed myself and not pissed or anything. I felt like I was in their little inner circle and we were all having fun and just being friends. Later I've thought back and think the friend was really being mean spirited or something but in the moment I didn't notice that. Maybe not mean spirited but a little , hmm I can't think of the right word. Just mischievous I guess. This is the same friend who encouraged her to cheat and always insinuated she was even when she wasn't (or maybe she was who knows) and liked it and thought it was sexy, whatever. She's a big bad girl type and I know from various conversations she's cheated on past boyfriends and loves that sort of thing. She's currently in between guys for those who may wonder. She's definitely hot enough to pull that sort of thing off too. She would be or is a natural born cuckolder I would say. Maybe that's why I'm cutting her slack about it, the fact that she's fucking hot and is also the type woman who turns me on.

So we chat about the engagement ring a while. I found out it's 2.5 carats which is enormous in my opinion. It is huge but I wouldn't say it's gaudy or anything. Very lovely ring even though I am not into that sort of thing. I can see and appreciate the beauty in it. Jen has great taste and she picked a very nice one. BTW her previous one (the one I bought yrs ago was only half a carat), so once again... well you know.

I asked when they were getting married and she said it hasn't been set yet. I kept glancing at her friend during this talk and she had this little smug shit eating grin on her face. I really think she likes me (not like that) I just think she is naturally devious, bad if you will. She must find some kind of sexiness in it all and it gets her off I guess. The more I think about it all, her in general the more I think I like her. I like her "in your face" style and find it very appealing and sexy. Maybe not to be in a relationship with or anything but for some fun times maybe.

Before I knew it their time for me was up and it was time for them to leave.I offered to drive them even though I was very buzzed myself but they declined saying they were fine. Jen was driving and she was the least buzzed of the bunch. I walked them out and to Jen's car and they both hugged me again. Jen once again kissed me on the cheek (this time a little further away from my mouth). She promised to call me when they got to their destination (which she did) so I would know they arrived safely. I jokingly told them to behave themselves since they were both a little tipsy and flirtatious acting. Her friend leaned over and told me with a big grin she wouldn't let Jen do anything she wouldn't do herself. That caused Jen to say "Yeah right, I wouldn't do half the shit you do" and laughed really loud. Her friend seems to revel in being a little slut. I think I am leaving out some good stuff but for the life of me I'm drawing blanks at the moment. Like I said I was pretty buzzed myself. If I think of more I'll come back and fill in the blanks.

All in all it was very fun and very needed by me. I hope to have it happen again soon. I would really love to hang out with both of them (Jen especially) soon. We'll see I guess.

Ok guy's I'm going to fix dinner for myself right now and maybe I will think of more to write. Thanks again for reading.