Wife and my Dad

[lozrob66]

Dave, Really, you're wasting your time. I can't think of a more pointless exercise. Forgive me for being so blunt, I enjoyed reading it as ever. I am left with a sense that you are now as far removed from Jenna as you have ever been. Glad you are enjoying it though.

[curiousdave]

Dave, Really, you're wasting your time. I can't think of a more pointless exercise. Forgive me for being so blunt, I enjoyed reading it as ever. I am left with a sense that you are now as far removed from Jenna as you have ever been. Glad you are enjoying it though.

Well I've thought a lot about this really. I mean I think about it all the time. Am I really wasting my time? I have no illusions or delusions of winning her back or anything. That's not my point. But if I derive some kind of pleasure hanging out, talking to her is that any different than doing other things that I consider fun? Going to a bar with friends, a football game, playing hoops with buds... they are all just past times so to speak. Things we do to pass the time or find some sort of enjoyment from. I really had a good time Friday night. I mean really good time. I have thought about it ever since and that's saying something from just hanging out at the house talking and what not. Now if I let this interfere with seeing others, possibly dating again then Yes I could see your point 100%. But that's not my plan. I just think it would be cool to do again if I can. She's a fun girl, her and her friend are. Maybe I am living vicariously through them or something but I found their company very fun. Hell I would enjoy hanging with her friend too to be honest. I don't know maybe I am reaching a little. I just enjoyed myself is all.

[bubbajack]

Dave, when you go to the dentist for a root canal, do you refuse the anaesthetic?

[susanshusband]

I think Dave finds a certain amount of eroticism to this and so do I. I wonder if Jen does also. I lean toward the idea that Jen has told her friend about their cuckold games from the way she behaved. Jen is still cucking Dave in a way and Dave is enjoying that pain to a degree. Right Dave?

[wingman]

Dave -

Until you find the next "Ms Right for Dave", see if Jenna will hook you up with her friend (as in talk you up to her). If she is into the mild tease/domination thing, it could be fun. Who knows, if they drunk enough one night, and your already banging the friend, maybe some flavor of threesome would be a possibility (for ole times sake). Maybe Jen could do that tease thing on the back porch while the friend works you with her hand (throwing in a few questions/comments of her own) After all, if you've decided to play with fire, might as well feel the heat!!! SO LONG AS you cage your admiration and feelings! Which means this is only until you find a more suitable partner!!!

One other thought to ponder....Why would Jen be thinking about breast implants if things at home were peachy-cream?? She must be feeling insecure about something. After all, she didn't have a "body image" problem when she was with you. OK, so if I venture down this rabbit hole, here is one possible scenario... the newness is wearing off with your Dad, she feels it in their interactions (remember, you were under her spell, your Dad is likely not-so-much). Sooooo, her observations are now unleashing a growing insecurity about herself, and about the stability of her support system. In the "panic" that is beginning to creep into her head, some growing level of desperation is starting to emerge. As such, she is looking back on what body type your Dad has historically been attracted to (for extended periods of time). She thinks if she transforms herself into that image, your Dad will magically fall under her spell again. Oddly enough, the personally shifts that generally go along with that type of insecurity are likely to be even less appealing to your Dad. So, breast implants or not, if she starts getting clingy and starts sounding desperate with your Dad, their demise may not be far behind. OK, reality check here....I am not advocating you EVER consider taking her back (I know love will compel you to do otherwise... you'd be wise to resist/bury those thoughts), but you may find some solace if they don't make it as a couple.

So, the long and short.... bang the friend if you can, look for cracks in their armor (e.g., try teasing her about keeping his interest and read her face), milk what you can for YOUR pleasure (kinky or otherwise), and keep looking for a new "Ms Right for Dave"!!! (hell.... even a new "Ms Right-now for Dave" would be good enough at this point).

AGAIN.... KEEP THOSE EMOTIONS IN CHECK MY FRIEND!!! This can be fun if you do... and "padded-walls-bad" if you don't !!!!

So, since your playing with fire already.... why not test the heat (but ONLY if your able to avoide getting burned).

Whatever you decide... Enjoy the ride!!!!

[curiousdave]

I think Dave finds a certain amount of eroticism to this and so do I. I wonder if Jen does also. I lean toward the idea that Jen has told her friend about their cuckold games from the way she behaved. Jen is still cucking Dave in a way and Dave is enjoying that pain to a degree. Right Dave?

Yes I do find a lot about this still erotic. I wouldn't say it's a pain type thing but something about interacting with her, being a part of her life, knowing everything I know is very hot to me. I said early on here that I know I may be perverted/sick at least in some people's minds. I can live with that. My situation didn't pan out to be my ideal scenario, far from it but with what I have left I am still looking for something in it. I wouldn't want the world, public, friends and family knowing I am into such things but I can't lie here...I am. The slight humiliation I feel does something down deep inside that's very hard to put into words. I have tried very hard all these past months to sum my feelings up nicely in words and at times I feel I have. But still there are parts of this I don't understand myself. Some days I look in the mirror and feel a tad bit of disgust at what I see looking back at me and then other times I am like "Fuck it, I enjoy this shit" and just accept it. Am I a role model for anyone in the world or even anyone here, I guess not. But I think I'm a decent enough guy who just happens to have a very weird and strange set up in my mind that makes getting off on all this possible. I would love to have Jen be mine but share her (maybe even openly) with my father but that's just not going to happen and I DO accept that. I am not completely nuts and think this weird arrangement could ever lead back down that road. But that dark part of my mind, the one who found it all erotic to begin with still does. Call me crazy I guess.

And about all that Wingman said. Thanks buddy I appreciate the input and advice. You may be right about things but I am doubtful on a couple of things. I am no expert so I could be wrong but Jen seems to have a great self awareness to me and I know that she knows she's a hottie. She exudes great confidence and a sexiness that's very hard to describe unless you met her yourself. Why then would she want new boobs? I can't answer that really. I mean maybe she just wants to be perfect ( or what she now thinks is perfect). She had talked about getting her breast done here and there over the years but I always managed to talk her out of it. She'd let it drop for a year or two and then bring it up again. She's extremely body conscious and strives to look her very best at all times. Maybe now that she's getting a little older and working out so much and she sees age creeping up a little she wants to fight back like so many others do. That and also now that money is no issue at all like it used to be, who knows. But I really would be surprised to find out she's un-sure of herself (especially physically) and already desperate to hang on or not lose him. Not to mention they haven't even been together that long. Damn it's got to still be in the new, honeymoon phase I would think...they aren't even married yet. But what do I really know. Women are strange and wonderful creatures who have all these little secrets and hang ups they never share with us men. Maybe there is a lot more than I'd ever guess going on in her mind. So who knows really.

Now banging her friend... I won't lie. I'd do it in a heartbeat if given the chance. Not to get back at Jen or anything but after hanging out with her this past Friday I saw her in a new and very sexy light. Honestly before Friday I wasn't very fond of her as a person. Not that I judged her for being a slut or anything but the few times I was around her for very long she sort of came off as pushy and obnoxious to me. But she really just came off as a sexy, fun, slutty type this Friday and I liked it. Now do I think I have a shot at it? No I don't. During some talks Jen and I had she revealed that her friend is a grade A size queen and likes her men very well endowed. Knowing Jen and the way those two apparently carry on and joke around and stuff I figure she's told her about me and probably about how my Dad leaves me behind in that department. Oh and for those of you into such things her friend has dated black men in the past and actually cheated on one boyfriend with a black guy. I only mention that because I know a lot of guy/cucks are into that aspect of things. It doesn't turn me off or anything but it's not a driving force for my fantasies either. My focus was always on Jenna so I didn't pay it much mind. But hypothetically if I was given the chance I'd fuck her. I am very horny these days and haven't been laid in a good while. No way I could turn her down if she wanted me lol.

Ok I'll try and check in tomorrow and see what else you guys have to say. I enjoyed my time here today Thanks to everyone who has responded today and in recent days as well.

[wingman]

Dave -

Sorry, didn't realize Jenna had wanted the boob job when you two were together. That does pretty much negate the direction I was headed. O-well... wishful thinking I guess. For what its worth, a confident facade can be a front for an a lot of self doubt on the inside. Or she really is that confident. Who knows (only the Phantom knows). Point is, with you being a Beta Male, and somewhat blinded by your own emotions, you might never have known. Not saying there are cracks in their relationship, but wouldn't hurt to keep your eye out.

As to Jenna's friend... I realize you may not be her type from an Alpha male perspective. Where I was going was to guilt Jenna into talking her into having some fun with a Beta Male...you! You won't know til ya try?? And, she sounds like the type who could (without knowing it) help you work on your "game". That way, when you do find Ms-Right-for-Dave, you'll be better equipped to hook and reel her in. In fact, "guilt"ing them into helping work on your dating skills, i.e. "game", might be a good angle to try.? After all, I'd say Jenna "owes" you in that department (i.e. putting you in the position of having to use those skills after so many years without practice). So having Jenna's friend, or even joined by Jenna herself, help you work on the skills you need to find Jenna's replacement (and have some erotic/kinky fun in the process) might have some potential. Just a thought

[Wistful]

If Jen and her friend came by with a genuine desire to check in with you, see how you were doing, and enjoy your company, (and you say that you are able to handle such a meeting, and are in fact ready and willing to see Jen) well that's one thing. But an alternative darker take on the evening might be that they had to kill a little time before the club got hot, before their evening could really start, and spur of the moment those two little conspiratorial devils decided they could have some fun at your expense, dropping by to toy with you--you being more or less the freak show. That's something else entirely. And on reflection if you do sense that their visit even partially resembled the second version, my general sense of fair play would tell me not to countenance it again.

[lozrob66]

I understand your point Dave, but no, I don't think it a good idea. If I thought the was some genuine interest on the part of Jenna and her friend then it may not be so fucked up, but no. The story of you and Jenna has ended. That's what you wanted and it happened. Thanks for sharing! I don't mean to sound harsh, if it does? It was a good thing that happened, look back on your marriage with pride.

Just for your own self dignity, stay away from the realms of Stalking. By all means do her friend, but leave Jenna's life to lead itself.

[BurningStar]

Hey Dave, long-time lurker here. I really think your description of that night makes it sound like Jenna told her friend all about your past games and she's interested in you...for what that is worth. You've got a lot to offer to a woman such as herself.

[Mia]

Hey Dave, long-time lurker here. I really think your description of that night makes it sound like Jenna told her friend all about your past games and she's interested in you...for what that is worth. You've got a lot to offer to a woman such as herself.

Welcome to OHW, BurningStar.



Mia

[susanshusband]

I don't think it is likely that things will go back the way they were but there may be a possibility that she still enjoys they sexual power she holds over you and would consider exercising it in some fashion again. I bet your pussy licking skills while she recounts her superior lovers prowess are missed!

[addicted2latina]

Hey Dave, long-time lurker here. I really think your description of that night makes it sound like Jenna told her friend all about your past games and she's interested in you...for what that is worth. You've got a lot to offer to a woman such as herself.

I totally agree! That chick wants you use you the way your ex did. And by the sound of it she'll even tell you about every thing Jenna tells her about your Dad and how well he fucks her. You need to jump all over this opportunity with these 2 women. Theres something going on and for guys like you and me that's a gold mine.

[mopacpower]

Dave, I hate to point this out, but it seems she only comes over with a friend, maybe they are having a laugh at your expense? From what you said of this girl, she is the one to push Jen to try new things, the bad girl of the group. IMO, I think the friend wanted to show off the Rock, Dad bought Jen, and wanted to see how you reacted, to rub it in your face! The friend likes how you are a wimp, she gets a kick out of it. Plus, Jen didn't text you about the engagement, wonder why.

Since your mom got her boobs done for your dad, I think Jen will too. If she does your "Jen" will be gone. I hope they have a quite wedding and not a big gala that brings the entire town. You might move away and start over in a new town. What happen to the girl with the kid.

Keep posting, you have friends here.

[bradisalpha]

I also agree that this was a VERY HOT experience for Dave. This is what he has been wishing for and if you read through his posts and his dreams he has had scenarios come up such as "his mom and dad scolding and humiliating him (could be dad and Jenna)" and the "friend knowing about him and humiliating him". He thoroughly enjoyed the other evening ... Has gotten off to it many times already ... And after all he has been through he DESERVES it !! Jenna came to him to humiliate him and brought her friend with her to help. Her friend is obviously interested in this behavior or she wouldn't have come, let alone participated (pointing out the ring, etc). So I think it is fair to say that they also thoroughly enjoyed the visit. I am sure they both left with wet pussies from the cuck experience and were in the mood to have a much better time when they went out. SO .. I think all three had a great time !!

Once her friend knows and understands that Dave will massage her feet .. Obey and serve her .., and eat her pussy full if CUM after she had been with a man and give her that "one more orgasm" that she will definitely take him in. I am hoping that Jenna brings these things to her attention and that Dave is not too shy to encourage her. Having the two of them near him will be his dream come true. I am waiting to hear the update from Dave to see where things are leading. This is VERY HOT !!!

[bubbajack]

OK, OK - so Freud was wrong: Pleasure and Pain are NOT the foundational, mutually contradictory opposites on a single psychological scale, at least not for everyone! I guess I get that, conceptually, anyway.

This might be the brightest-line distinction among the forum members, between those for whom erotic feeling is intensified primarily by pleasurable experience with perhaps a little transitory discomfort - like anxious anticipation, disappointing postponement, guilty crossing of boundaries, etc., and those for whom intense erotic feeling is mostly painful with a little transitory pleasure - like Dave's receiving a smile from Jen who has left him precisely in order to fuck his Dad - mixed in. I guess the latter applies to the pain-loving submissives on the female side, too.

There definitely are non-simple contrasts characteristically being enjoyed on both sides of this hypothetical dividing line - and of course there are limits to the amount of pure pleasure and pure pain that anyone can endure, let alone enjoy.

But the proportions of each in the mixtures that people crave sure can be different between individuals! If ever there were a perfect llustrative case for the truth of this proposition, it would be the posts in this thread!

Humans!

[susanshusband]

OK, OK - so Freud was wrong: Pleasure and Pain are NOT the foundational, mutually contradictory opposites on a single psychological scale, at least not for everyone! I guess I get that, conceptually, anyway.

This might be the brightest-line distinction among the forum members, between those for whom erotic feeling is intensified primarily by pleasurable experience with perhaps a little transitory discomfort - like anxious anticipation, disappointing postponement, guilty crossing of boundaries, etc., and those for whom intense erotic feeling is mostly painful with a little transitory pleasure - like Dave's receiving a smile from Jen who has left him precisely in order to fuck his Dad - mixed in. I guess the latter applies to the pain-loving submissives on the female side, too.

There definitely are non-simple contrasts characteristically being enjoyed on both sides of this hypothetical dividing line - and of course there are limits to the amount of pure pleasure and pure pain that anyone can endure, let alone enjoy.

But the proportions of each in the mixtures that people crave sure can be different between individuals! If ever there were a perfect llustrative case for the truth of this proposition, it would be the posts in this thread!

Humans!

I think all hotwife scenarios eroticize pain on some level. Not all as intensely as Dave's story though. For me, just walking into IHOP and sitting across from my wife and her new fb was an anguishing experience for me. I of course knew it was play but it was still difficult to get my head around. Dave's thread is among some of the most unusual on ohw that I have read. And I sense it may be taking a new twist.

[curiousdave]

I'm back again (already lol) with some interesting news/developments if you will. And judging from some of the recent thoughts and responses shared I think some may like it. I called Jen's salon today and asked for her friend. Well if I'm gonna keep talking about her I guess I should tell you her name. Her name is Paige and ever since Friday night I can't quit thinking about her. Now I personally think this is a good thing because it's kept my mind off Jenna a little bit. I mean you know, Jenna is always in there (my mind) but it's given me a nice little distraction. Anyway that was one of the things I forgot to mention about Friday. She sort of joked around with me about my hair and said she would cut it for me. I don't know if she was even being serious but the more I thought about it the more I thought that was a good way to try and hang out with her more. So I called and asked if she was in and they said no. I recognized the woman's voice on the phone as the owner of the salon but she didn't seem to recognize mine. So I told her it was me and she was very nice and asked how I've been and told me she was sorry about Jen and me and blah blah blah, all that sort of stuff. I haven't seen or talked to any of those girls in a good while now so I guess it was in order. Anyway I asked about Paige, if she was due in soon or what and she said she was off today but would be in tomorrow afternoon after 11. Then she added that Jen would be in pretty soon if I wanted to talk to her and I told her no I was wanting to get Paige because she had mentioned giving me a hair cut and I needed one pretty bad. She laughed pretty loud at this (I guess with the whole Jen history/story) it struck her as funny. I just kind of laughed along but didn't ask or say anything else about it. She said "Well I can give you her cell if you want" sort of laughing again. I said thanks that'd be cool if she could. She told me no problem and then gave it too me. Before hanging up I asked if she could maybe keep quiet about it all because I sort of felt weird about everything. Once again a little laugh and a "No problem honey, I understand". She's always been a cool woman in my opinion. No telling what she's thinking about all this though. With Paige's reputation I can only imagine it's pretty freaky.


So after all that I started to get a little scared thinking "What the fuck am I doing here". Took me about an hour to work up the nerve to call again but I finally did. I called but she didn't answer. I decided against leaving voice mail for some reason, not sure why, but I kind of just didn't know what to say. About an hour later, just after noon she called back. Obviously she didn't know who it was at first, not recognizing my number, but once she knew it was me she said "Oh...Hey, how'd you get my number". I retold the story I just told you guys and she laughed and said she didn't even remember saying that. That sort of stopped me in my tracks. I didn't know what to say after that because my plan was to go with this hair cut thing. There was a slight pause and I guess maybe she could tell she threw me off so she added "But I was drunk you know...no biggie". I laughed and told her "Yeah you were pretty buzzed weren't you?" That started us talking about that night and their night after leaving my house. She was a little dead at first but the more we talked the more animated and friendly she became. Apparently she got really really drunk and didn't even remember making it home that night. Now I will say here that judging from talking to her today and past stories Jen told me Paige could very well be a raging alcoholic. I don't say that in any kind of joking way , she may have a problem. We also talked a little about that stuff Friday and she said she regularly goes out 3 or 4 , sometimes 5 nights a week. Jen said in a teasing way that she's a major Alkey causing Paige to say "No I'm not, I just like to have fun". They joked around a little more but the picture I got was Paige is out drinking all the time. That and smoking weed. But anyway that's that story just so you know. I mean the girl is 24 or 25, I guess she's just loving life right now, not having any real responsibilities or anything.

So after all that she eventually asked did I really want a hair cut. I said yeah and then she said "Oh", I laughed and asked why she said that and not knowing what else to say asked 'What else would I want" (stupid I know). She sort of chuckled softly and said "Oh nothing". I said "No tell me what you thought" . I was over my head at this point and I knew it. I felt like everything coming out of my mouth sounded unsure and stupid and sort of nerdy or something. Once again she said "No... it's nothing". I kept on "No, tell me, what'd you think". Maybe I was hoping for something, I don't know. I probably should have just let it drop but I didn't. Finally she said "I thought maybe you were trying to hook up or something". Ok if I sounded stupid before now I really did. I stumbled over my words and was like "Hook up...what-ya mean" I knew what she meant but I felt so embarrassed. I bet I was blood red in the face right then. She laughed at me and said she was just teasing me "I'm just teasing you silly...don't get so flustered" followed by more giggling. I was relieved and saddened all at the same time. For a sec I thought "Damn man, you blew it, she was wanting you to try and hook up with her" but then I realized again I was over my head anyway and she gave me the out I needed. I laughed and said "Oh, I thought you were being serious". So long story short (yeah right lol) I set it up to have her cut my hair Thursday after work. We discussed the Jenna issue and she said Jen wasn't going to be in on Thursday because she was going somewhere with my Dad she thought. Now she wasn't 100% sure about that, that's just what she thought she remembered hearing. It ended up being good enough for me so I set the date. I figure even if Jen does come in it isn't that huge a deal. I just don't want her thinking I'm trying to get in Paige's pants or anything. Why? Well mostly because all the stories and shit Jen's told me about Paige will make me look like a real perv and opportunist and I don't want to come off that way. I may be but I don't want to seem that way. So I'm looking very forward to Thursday. Knowing Paige like I'm starting to I think it could prove fun and worthwhile maybe. Believe me guys, if she hits on me or gives me any kind of opening I am going to jump on it. I may not come off super cool or assertive about it due to how nervous she seems to be able to make me. But I WILL NOT turn her down. I know I am jumping to big time conclusions or speculations here but I'm just saying... given the chance I'm jumping on it .

Ok so now let me fill in some blanks about Paige. You already know she's a wild thang with big titties (big fake titties). The bigger picture is she is a very hot girl. Very pretty face and a nice voluptuous figure. Real curvy. Typically my favorite type women to look at have been the Jenna type, long and lean and cat like almost. Paige is not like that. She's a little shorter than Jen which is actually cool because it makes me a few inches taller than her. But she has a big shapely round ass and magnificent luscious Tits. They look very natural the way they hang and sway. Not all hard and up high like a lot of fake boobs. She has a little diamond stud in her nose that I kind of find sexy. It's really tiny and not too much or anything. I didn't used to like facial jewelry except for the ears but lately it's been growing on me. She has very long hair going almost to her ass and at least on Friday it was softly curled giving it sort of a hanging, loose curled look. She's naturally brunette I'm pretty sure but she has hers colored that dark magenta or whatever color that is that I've been seeing more and more lately. Looked very hot on her. I think she has a lot of tatts from what I've been told but I've only noticed 2. One on her inner wrist and one on her back, over towards the shoulder blade. All this is a new turn on for me but lately tatts and piercings have been seeming hot. Maybe it's mostly because Paige has this stuff that's doing it for me. Whatever the reason or cause she's got me extremely interested. I really don't think I have any kind of chance at fucking her. But I feel like "What the fuck, might as well try at least". Whats the worst thing that could happen? It won't be as embarrassing or humiliating as what already happened to me in the public eye right? So we'll see what happens. At worst I think maybe I could hang out with her a little, maybe some of her girlfriends too. Maybe something, someway can happen, we'll see.

Someone asked about my old friend I was talking too. I'm still in contact. Mostly by text message and I do still plan to set up a meeting or date if I can. Our schedules just haven't matched up yet. She has a kid and a job and is about 2 hours away so just hasn't worked out yet. She still seems to enjoy getting to know me though so we'll see on that also. Things are picking up a little here, lots of possibles lol. Thanks again guys for all the feedback. I appreciate it.

[wingman]

Dave -

Good luck with Paige.... But you seem to be trying to hide this from Jen (or at least avoiding it). I personally think, your best shot with Paige is to get Jen to coax her into it. When you get in her chair, some ideas on what to try....

Do apologize for seeming tongue tied (and include that is surprised you too because Jen never had an issue with your tongue). Then tell her, in a joking way, there was no need to try and get in her real pants, she was so hot the other night you mentally went there right after she left (a compliment fit for a wild girl). Then tell her "besides, getting into her pants would be too weird right now, but hanging out, food, drinks, would be fun. So if she is game, have her call. Also mention you had fun "being their foreplay" the other night, and they can come by "early evening" anytime. Then throw in a serious note... if she ever gets too drunk, or feels uncomfortable while out, call you for a ride. You like her company and would like to see her safe and around for a long time. Not sure if that will get anywhere, and I'm sure you have better "game" to try, so go for it and enjoy!!!

[jorob75]

Several things popped into my head. I will endeavour to remember them as I type, but I feel I may be dragged away by my real life at some time, so forgive me if I click Submit.

Don't get caught by Jenna prior to receiving your hair cut. I feel loyalty will prevail and she will be informed. It may be thought that you are in stalking Jenna mode. Much better to achieve the ultimate goal of fucking Paige, and indeed all of Jenna's friends and acquaintances, then she may find out after. OK, I got carried away. Just do Paige, just ensure you are not discovered by Jenna as it will look to all as though you are stalking. Is there a softer term than stalking? OK, overly interested.

Apologies to everyone, just realised posted on wife's computer. It's me lozrob66!

[HWHubby]

In the end, this played out EXACTLY as you hoped for deep down. You seem to get off on the whole drama/dynamics of this....and to a degree,so do the rest of us...this thread is long a hell.We've been following it.
I'm not judging you one way or the other because my opinion doesn't matter and it isn't my place anyhow. I just hope that in the end you strike a balance that works for you.

[HWHubby]

IJS. Never met an ugly Paige before....lol

[xleglover]

Dave - a quick note to say how hot your journal is. You sound like a good guy so I'm sure you'll find another great girl, and then this experience with Jenn will be a great memory for you.

I just posted a new chapter of my newest story. If aspects of it ring familiar, it's because you're one of my inspirations. Hope you don't mind. http://ourhotwives.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=24230

Finally, a humble suggestion. Your Jenn sounds like my Jen in body type (long and lean, small breasts, incredible long legs). Definitely have fun with Paige, but find another girl with a dancer's body like Jenn.

One question (you may have answered this already) -- is the picture in your postings Jenn?

[mopacpower]

xleglover - no that is a catalog pic of what Jen wore on one of the dates with Dad. Dave has never posted pics without Jen's ok. I don't think he could get it anymore.

[Trixkat]

I'm still thinking Dave needs a new avatar.