Wife and my Dad

[one4xtc]

Glad to hear things are going pretty good for you these days Dave. I hope you continue to keep us in the loop.

[curiousdave]

Well looks like I'm in a bit of trouble. Last week I received a text from Jenna saying "WTF... r u tryin to screw all the girls I work with?"

Obviously I was caught very off guard by this and didn't know how to answer. I immediately called Paige to ask if she knew anything or what she thought I should say. She freaked out as well and told me not to tell Jen about us at all. She said it could screw everything up (I guess she meant her relationship with Jenna and her job at the new salon). So after a few hours I texted back and played stupid saying "What r u talking about?" She never answered back. So the next day I tried again and asked "What's wrong?". Finally she called me and basically said I know what she's talking about and how that shit isn't cool. Jenna is a very laid back person like myself and hardly ever shows real anger, but I could tell she was pissed by her voice. Not wanting to mess things up with or for Paige I decided to stick to my guns and play stupid. I asked what she heard or thought and she didn't want to answer right away but finally said she knew I was fucking Paige and also heard I was with Ann once as well. I stuttered and stumbled and tried to deny everything but she knows me very well and knew I was lying. Finally she just said "Fuck it, do whatever you want" but said lying to her only made her lose even more respect for me.

I tried apologizing but that's hard to do when you aren't admitting to what you're accused of. I fucking hated lying to her, really. I respect her as much as anyone in the world and still love her very deeply. Lying seemed so wrong and shitty. But what could I do? There are other people involved and I don't want to be the source of their grief as well. This sucks so bad.

So after a good bit of trying I was able to get in touch with Paige again and basically she's cutting me off too. She said we should cool it and not see each other for a while. I explained we could be a lot more careful but she didn't want too. So now I'm double fucked. I had only had sex with Paige one other time since I last reported but I thought we were going somewhere, even if just some fun times.


So now I suppose I won't be attending Jenna's grand opening or seeing her anytime soon. And no more hot sex with Paige. I never talked to Ann about anything but we hadn't talked in a while anyways. Maybe she's back with her husband now. So for now I'm back to being alone with my dick in my hand. It was fun while it lasted.

[rijubhai]

Dave,

I know you can't automatically sever your emotional bond to Jenna, but by god, you're going to have learn to do so because you are letting her walk all over you. My advice: move on from that chaotic maelstrom comprising of her, Paige and your stepdad because it has brought nothing but rotten luck. You may find it difficult to distance yourself from them but it looks like there is nothing but heartache for you if you continue to forcefeed yourself into their lives. In my opinion, their treatment of you has been second rate, almost disdainful, and I honestly think you come across as an insignificant individual in their estimation because of your easygoing nature.

Ask yourself this, what god given right does Jenna have to be upset about your post-divorce activities? Jenna should be satisfied with the knowledge you are just another temporary conquest for her pal, so why the hypocritical reaction? And there's Paige. Why would she need to back-off from a seemingly casual relationship with you if it is just that, surely you're fair game since you're 'back on the market'?

You'll always be left with your dick in your hand if you continue mix in the same social circles as your apparently loving ex-wife. I say you reclaim your life, on your terms, by socialising with other people.

[germancuck-1]

Well looks like I'm in a bit of trouble. Last week I received a text from Jenna saying "WTF... r u tryin to screw all the girls I work with?"

Obviously I was caught very off guard by this and didn't know how to answer. I immediately called Paige to ask if she knew anything or what she thought I should say. She freaked out as well and told me not to tell Jen about us at all. She said it could screw everything up (I guess she meant her relationship with Jenna and her job at the new salon). So after a few hours I texted back and played stupid saying "What r u talking about?" She never answered back. So the next day I tried again and asked "What's wrong?". Finally she called me and basically said I know what she's talking about and how that shit isn't cool. Jenna is a very laid back person like myself and hardly ever shows real anger, but I could tell she was pissed by her voice. Not wanting to mess things up with or for Paige I decided to stick to my guns and play stupid. I asked what she heard or thought and she didn't want to answer right away but finally said she knew I was fucking Paige and also heard I was with Ann once as well. I stuttered and stumbled and tried to deny everything but she knows me very well and knew I was lying. Finally she just said "Fuck it, do whatever you want" but said lying to her only made her lose even more respect for me.

I tried apologizing but that's hard to do when you aren't admitting to what you're accused of. I fucking hated lying to her, really. I respect her as much as anyone in the world and still love her very deeply. Lying seemed so wrong and shitty. But what could I do? There are other people involved and I don't want to be the source of their grief as well. This sucks so bad.

So after a good bit of trying I was able to get in touch with Paige again and basically she's cutting me off too. She said we should cool it and not see each other for a while. I explained we could be a lot more careful but she didn't want too. So now I'm double fucked. I had only had sex with Paige one other time since I last reported but I thought we were going somewhere, even if just some fun times.


So now I suppose I won't be attending Jenna's grand opening or seeing her anytime soon. And no more hot sex with Paige. I never talked to Ann about anything but we hadn't talked in a while anyways. Maybe she's back with her husband now. So for now I'm back to being alone with my dick in my hand. It was fun while it lasted.

The only reason you´re in trouble is because you allow Jenna to control and influence your life according to her and only her agenda, and she will continue to treat you as poorly as you permit her to. There´s a basic misunderstanding between you and Jenna: Whatever happens, you think she and you are doing it for the both of you. She however is doing it only for herself. In this twisted game there´s one small spot from which you can influence things, and that is giving or revoking Jenna the possibility to control your life. This is your´s only to decide, and no one can take that tiny kingdom called freedom of choice away from you. It´s long overdue you reclaim it, because it´s been waiting for you all this time!

[shedidit]

I understand the mindset of being in a cuckold lifestyle but, you aren't Jenna's cuck anymore she lost that right when she divorced you for your dad. Who gives a flying fuck if she is mad at you? In all actuality she is messing with your post-divorce happiness for no other reason than that she knows she can.

You haven't done anything wrong so there is no reason to apologize.

Having said that, I am truly sorry that her actions have lead to yet another set back in your journey back to Happytown.

Regards,
shedidit

[txrockdog]

She probably read about it on here. And I agree with the others, what possible right does she believe she has to dictate your sex life? She promised to love you forever in front of the Lord and both families...and she decided to leave you so she could fuck your dad? And SHE now wants to tell you who you can fuck? HELL NO! If I were you, I would tell her to get the hell off her high horse. Makes me wonder if her life with dear old dad isn't what she thought it would be if she is busy worrying about who you might be screwing...

[Max_Devli]

Well looks like I'm in a bit of trouble. Last week I received a text from Jenna saying "WTF... r u tryin to screw all the girls I work with?"

Obviously I was caught very off guard by this and didn't know how to answer. I immediately called Paige to ask if she knew anything or what she thought I should say. She freaked out as well and told me not to tell Jen about us at all. She said it could screw everything up (I guess she meant her relationship with Jenna and her job at the new salon). So after a few hours I texted back and played stupid saying "What r u talking about?" She never answered back. So the next day I tried again and asked "What's wrong?". Finally she called me and basically said I know what she's talking about and how that shit isn't cool. Jenna is a very laid back person like myself and hardly ever shows real anger, but I could tell she was pissed by her voice. Not wanting to mess things up with or for Paige I decided to stick to my guns and play stupid. I asked what she heard or thought and she didn't want to answer right away but finally said she knew I was fucking Paige and also heard I was with Ann once as well. I stuttered and stumbled and tried to deny everything but she knows me very well and knew I was lying. Finally she just said "Fuck it, do whatever you want" but said lying to her only made her lose even more respect for me.

I tried apologizing but that's hard to do when you aren't admitting to what you're accused of. I fucking hated lying to her, really. I respect her as much as anyone in the world and still love her very deeply. Lying seemed so wrong and shitty. But what could I do? There are other people involved and I don't want to be the source of their grief as well. This sucks so bad.

So after a good bit of trying I was able to get in touch with Paige again and basically she's cutting me off too. She said we should cool it and not see each other for a while. I explained we could be a lot more careful but she didn't want too. So now I'm double fucked. I had only had sex with Paige one other time since I last reported but I thought we were going somewhere, even if just some fun times.


So now I suppose I won't be attending Jenna's grand opening or seeing her anytime soon. And no more hot sex with Paige. I never talked to Ann about anything but we hadn't talked in a while anyways. Maybe she's back with her husband now. So for now I'm back to being alone with my dick in my hand. It was fun while it lasted.

Your ex cracks me up. Leaves you for your own dad, then tells you where your cock is allowed to go after divorcing you. Then says she's lost respect for your because you're trying to protect someone else from her wrath.

....and you beg for forgiveness?

You're making cuckolds look like tough guys compared to how you handle your ex, Dave.

[curiousdave]

Well it wasn't said outright but I'm thinking from what she did say, it's more of a lack of respect type thing where I shouldn't be fucking her co-workers. Which I do understand. But like I said before to you guys it wasn't done intentionally to "pay her back" or anything. But I guess to her it must seem like I am or maybe she thinks others will think that or something. I plan on taking with her about it, but now is not the time. She's pissed, I'm gonna let her cool down a bit and I guess let her get her grand opening out of the way first. She doesn't want to deal with this shit right now I know.

And all you guys are 100% completely right. I do have the right to fuck who I want, when I want. I feel that way myself and will say it to her if it seems right in the moment. That's not what's going on right here though. I think it's all about how it is perceived by her and possibly others. And for Paige (being Jenna's friend) well that's a whole other ball of wax. I'm sure you can relate what it would be like for an ex to start fucking one of your friends? I know it sounds like I am defending Jenna here but I'm not. I'm trying to be mature and understand all sides involved. She's not my wife anymore and she surely isn't perfect but she's still a human being with emotions and feelings and even rights. She does have a point about things in my opinion, fucking 2 of her co-workers isn't the nicest thing in the world to do, even if she wronged me in her own ways.

I think the consensus about me moving on and finding a whole new circle of friends and stuff is right. I just need to find a woman not involved, not in the know, not anything to do with my old past. All that said, I still don't want to live completely out of the loop with Jen though. I'm not that ready to move completely on. I am not talking about any kind of 'needy' type hanger on thing. Just to remain some kind of friends is important to me. I just need to make my personal life (love life) my own and it not have anything to do with her or anyone she's running around with.

I'll wait a week or so and give her a call and try and make some kind of amends (without begging or being a lame ass). If she won't accept that then I'll do what I have to and try and move on. I still love her but I do know I can live without her now.

Thanks guys for the support and caring.

[roadrunner]

Well it wasn't said outright but I'm thinking from what she did say, it's more of a lack of respect type thing where I shouldn't be fucking her co-workers.
...

Coworkers are off-limits, but close family members aren't?

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Last week I received a text from Jenna saying "WTF... r u tryin to screw all the girls I work with?"
...

The correct answer to this question was, "None of your business!" Followed by no further response on the subject.

[Dream Weaver]

Well it wasn't said outright but I'm thinking from what she did say, it's more of a lack of respect type thing where I shouldn't be fucking her co-workers. Which I do understand.

I don't understand it at all. She left you, you owe her nothing. You need to ass fuck them and see if that gets back to her. Send her a message.

Okay just joking. Well not really.

[rijubhai]

-I still don't want to live completely out of the loop with Jen though. I'm not that ready to move completely on. I am not talking about any kind of 'needy' type hanger on thing-

-Just to remain some kind of friends is important to me-

-I still love her but I do know I can live without her now-

In my opinion, Jenna does not see it that way. You facilitated her secret "husband upgrade" dream involving your stepdad with your cuckold/hotwifing fantasy. As I see it, she saw you create a path to realizing this dream and decided to take the bull by the horns by engineering the rest of it. All she needed to do once everything was in her favour was to tie the loose end: you. I'm not saying she is the guilty party by cruelly manipulating you, no, you are as much responsible for the outcome as she is.

Now that she is with her dream man, I'm afraid you've been downsized and she has the right to decide whether or not you will form a significant part in her life, not you, and it looks like your window of friendship is getting smaller by the minute. Sure she has a soft spot for you, but so do all men who have been "friend zoned."

OK, so you've sullied what little friendship you had by "sleeping" with her co-workers. Her "downsizing" of you does not come into the equation because you were complicit in the process. Just make sure you do not come across as an desperate ex trying to salvage a long-dead relationship because she can and may use the "stalking" card. She's letting you go slowly; I think you should take that as a sign by doing the same for your own sake.

Good luck, buddy. We feel for you.

[aguy4pleasure]

If I get what rijubhai was saying, it sounds like your wife may have taken your cockhold fantasy to the extreme, not only having sex with her step dad, but, marrying him. Honestly, what could be more humiliating or "cockholding?" Could it be that in this very non-traditional situation, Jenna really "loved you" and was showing her love by acting out this fantasy to the hilt?

You, in her mind, may have completely violated everything. Instead of becoming the suffering cockhold, you became the lost ex who not only found other female sex partners, you found them among her own friends. To her, you may have been the one guilty of the "affair(s)."

Does any of this sound reasonable to you Dave?

Please note, I'm not making decisions here about who was "right" or "wrong" in any of this. Just wondering how to best understand Jenna to respond to her...if you choose.

Of course, as this is living itself out, is it not even here, the extreme cuckhold? You end up with no one and your wife ends up with everything.

[Terrycart79]

Dude if I were you, I would move away and start over. That's easy for me to say though

[Jim_young]

She thinks you show a lack of respect for her because you have fucked two of her friends and co-workers, but she doesn't seem to think that her dumping you so she could move in with dear old dad showed any lack of respect for you!!!???

A wondrous thing, her mind. Why is remaining friends with her so important to you? She has fucked you over in just about the worst way possible, yet somehow you cling to her. It appears that you are harboring some hope that she will come back to you.

Grow a pair and tell her you have nothing to say to her about whomever you fuck.

I SECOND THIS. To hell with her. She used your fetish to get what she wanted while abusing your love and disrespecting you. Fuck it. As hard as it is, move on and make your own life. Forget all about her. You should t have to apologize and makes amends with her. She doesn't deserve your love, respect or anymore of your time.

[Morgan]

Is it possible, in the very back or your mind, that you think Jenna could come back to you?
I don't think that it's impossible.
I even think that in the very back of Jenna's mind it's possible.
Take her off the pedestal that you created for her, keep away and get on with your life.

[john jasson]

It might be an idea to show Jenna a slightly meaner side of you, Dave.

[txrockdog]

I still think the NRE is wearing off and she is starting to miss what she had. If she was truly remorseful about what she did and just wanted him to be happy, she would be setting him up with her friends, not warning him off of them. The fact that she doesn't like it tells me that she either doesn't want dave to be happy...or she wants the option of going back if things dont work out with dad.

[rijubhai]

I still think the NRE is wearing off and she is starting to miss what she had. If she was truly remorseful about what she did and just wanted him to be happy, she would be setting him up with her friends, not warning him off of them. The fact that she doesn't like it tells me that she either doesn't want dave to be happy...or she wants the option of going back if things dont work out with dad.

Right on! The sad thing is I think Dave may secretly hope for this too! Hope, it's a dangerous thing...

[Max_Devli]

I still think the NRE is wearing off and she is starting to miss what she had. If she was truly remorseful about what she did and just wanted him to be happy, she would be setting him up with her friends, not warning him off of them. The fact that she doesn't like it tells me that she either doesn't want dave to be happy...or she wants the option of going back if things dont work out with dad.

Right on! The sad thing is I think Dave may secretly hope for this too! Hope, it's a dangerous thing...

Dave, whomever he is, has to have more than 'hip pocket' value to his own life. Being seen like that by another person makes Dave less worthy than a piece of meat. Eventually the meat gets used for something, Dave could literally stay in the freezer forever.

Brutal.

[wingman]

Dave
Move on you should, but if you can not peel yourself away from this, get some benefit out of this. Don't loose the sweetness mrsV spoke of, but use this situation to learn how to better take charge of the situation.

Email Jenna and tell her u she has gone too far, so things are now going to be different. tell her you are coming to the grand opening and had better she better behave and treat you with respect and dignity. Also tell her she owes Paige an apology and if Paige chooses to fuck you, that's her business. Tell Jenna didn't want paige involved with you, Jenna should not have introduced you two. And she better not retaliate against Paige.
Then tell her if she fails to do any of your demands, she should not read the local paper for a few months. If she presses hard enough (and you better make her squirm... A LOT), tell her you are going to take out a full page add, requesting the phone number of any women (describe your wish list) who is is looking for a great guy (with some exotic tastes that have been worked out of your system) who was screwed over by your wife Jenna, who just opened salon xxxx, who left you to be with your rich dad!!!! She has no morals and does not deserve the patronage of the community.

She has a new biz.... Loosing public faith will be a killer!!!!

After you practice taking charge, date Paige, or a women form the article . You win either way. ))

Good luck!!!

[mopacpower]

Dave, I think you might change your avatar now. Those have left the building. Find someone new to make one of, maybe a breast shot from Paige?

Just a idea, go on a cruise. Meet someone new.

[AsianWife40]

Dave - Moving on is a good thing but if the opportunity to f*ck any more of her friends offers itself then go for it! :-)

[rijubhai]

Dave - Moving on is a good thing but if the opportunity to f*ck any more of her friends offers itself then go for it! :-)

Not sure that is going to help?

Definitely not if he's holding out hope for her or attempting to salvage a watered down "friendship." Either way, it's going not going to be fortuitous for curiousdave, that's for sure...

[AsianWife40]

Life is too short to wait for something that will probably never happen. At best he may get the occasional sympathy screw from the Ex-wife somewhere down the line.
Therefore, it is best to move on and find another woman who is open to some sexual exploration. :-)

[wingman]

I think Dave might be surprised what the outcome will be if he takes charge of the situation himself. To date, Jenna has been in charge. If Dave make demands, treats her like the subservient one, and shows considerable confidence, I'd bet she would go submissive. Then Dave could get Paige again, regain some emotional high ground, and who knows from there (which is OK so long as Dave STAYS in charge).

But Dave.... you MUST be ready to cut bait if you give her control in your mind (on the outside you can loan control to make a moment better... but NEVER give her control again!!!)

I could be wrong... but then again.... I might be right