Wife and my Dad

[hwwannabe62]

The fact is that we all want a positive experience through this cuckold/hotwife adventure, so when Dave's situation turned sour we all got angry. We (OHW community) are good people who actually have feelings for Dave and his predicament.

Bottom line.....we are all setting ourselves up for the same potential outcome. Aren't we? Could we (all of us) survive this same level of possible life changing pain and torment? Is this what we have signed up for? For me, the answer is yes. I'm that addicted.....

Anyone else feel the same way?

[hwwannabe62]

I know this sounds contradictory to the majority of my previous post, but I have a beautiful, loving wife who LOVES ME TO DEATH! Why am I so addicted to this desire? I have two wonderful children a good job, healthy family, very good sex life compared to most?????

I don't know? I guess I wonder sometimes if I'm wrong in all this.....we are all wrong in this (at least the ones that are encouraging the wives who don't want this (not the couples who agree upon it).

I just can't shake the desire, it consumes me. It may just be what Dave really wants deep inside.

[rs480]

Dave, don't you dare stop posting. This is true grit.
Ignore what ticks you off and forge ahead. Just like we try to do in our "regular" lives.

[one4xtc]

Dave, there will always be haters and those who don't understand the "Why" of our lives (not just cuckolding....everything). I enjoy reading about what's going on and regularly check this forum just to see if you have posted.

To the others, believe me when I say that what Dave is experiencing/deciding to do is not all that uncommon (ok, the step-dad w/ your ex wife is different... but overlook that and the rest isn't all that different honestly). My personal life is FAR more bizarre than what Dave has shared.

And really what has he shared? He has shared his story with us. He has given all of us one heck of an emotional rollercoaster ride as we live vicariously through his ordeal. He has shared that his love for his father and ex-wife transcends that of marriage. He has shared that love finds a way to work through any and all situations if you give it a chance. He has shared that there will be trials and tribulations challenging that love. He has taught all of us that we'd each react differently if we were put in his situation.... and for that he gets people judging his decisions (publicly even, not even sending it to a PM).

I think that all of us felt Dave's hurt when Jenna left. All of us felt anger. All of us felt betrayed. But I really wonder how many of us realize that there is a human on the other side of the keyboard typing their heart and soul into each post? Someone who needs support from his peers.

You may not agree with how Dave is handling this but I feel that he (and anyone coming to these forums looking for help/advice) deserves to know that we will support his decision even if we don't agree with it or understand it.

[b_p]

We (OHW community) are good people who actually have feelings for Dave and his predicament.

I know that to be a true statement. I would prefer that people show it by expressing themselves in a somewhat more positive manner.

[HerLittleGuy]

Gosh... I didn't realize how long I've been away from OHW until I got caught up on Dave's thread.

I'm glad for Dave, and how he's picked up and moved on with his life, and that includes how he's kept Jenna and his Dad in his life too. I, for one, am glad that there are people like Dave in this world. He's an amazing guy.

It was so cool that Dave found lady friends to chum with. I like that he has (or had) an FB that he feels a spark for. As wild as Paige is, at some point, she'll want a guy she can settle down with... a 'good guy'. I think Dave will find his name on that candidates list, near the top. Sure it's a little awkward that the ladies have been in Jenna's circle, and that Jenna found out somehow, but the takeaway from this is that Dave never went out of his way to rub Jenna's nose in it. In fact, he did the opposite, and tried to protect her feelings. He was never vindictive, and that, to me, is a sign of good character. He can feel justly proud of the dude looking back at him in his bathroom mirror. A stand up guy.

In most cases, he takes the goofy things that have happened in his life, and spins them back into positives. I like that. I like him. I get him. Maybe I'm wired the same way... dunno. But I see nothing wrong with how he's handling his life.

I get that there are a lot of folk who shake their heads incomprehendingly at how Dave can continue on in the manner he has, how they themselves would handle his situation differently if they found themselves in his shoes. But it's Dave's life. He's the guy living it. And he's found a way to live and let live that lets him, and those around him, be happy.

In a world where terrorists bomb shopping malls, and unstable folk shoot-up army bases and schools, Dave's world is an island of quiet peace, love and hope. I really like that. Its truly inspiring. I hope Dave continues to share some of his journey with us. And I wish him and his friends all the best.

hlg

[roadrunner]

Gosh... I didn't realize how long I've been away from OHW until I got caught up on Dave's thread.

Glad to see you back!

[bsefs]

Well said, MrsV, well said. I look forward to more posts from you and from Dave. (Hope your hubby shares the story of the previous woman shared with his dad )

[hansen69]

I just threw up in my mouth reading that. I understand you don't want any additional pain in your life, but to me you will be in constant pain interacting with them from time to time. To me if you cut ties it will hurt, but at least it won't be a prolonged ordeal. You will eventually get over them in time, unlike trying to be one big dysfunctional family. Either way I wish you the best and hope to hear some better news on your next post.

Eh I'm thinking it may be time for me to stop posting my life to the world. I keep trying hard to be open minded and understanding of all the different views. But apparently I am just so fucked up that my life is too disgusting for even a cuckolding forum. I just am really clueless I guess because to me LOVE means something and it seems very few have any understanding about this. My story is documented very clearly and totally in depth here, everything explained over and over and over again. How much I love my dad and my now ex-wife. I enjoy being around people I love. That isn't bringing me any pain or sorrow at all. Have I not explained that clearly? So what seems to be happening here is my particular emotions and feelings don't mesh with the "norm" and their idea of what is acceptable is not the same as my own. Apparently the "normal" thought process here is it's 100% ok to let your wife fuck others (and in some cases not you, this is cuckolding after all) and it's ok for her to humiliate you (in some cases). But if she is to fall in love with another man and leave you it is a 100% must that you leave and have nothing to do with her ever again. I guess I am really sick and fucked up. I just don't feel it so I must be deranged or something.

Oh Dave! Don't worry about his rude statement, some people need to learn some manners when stating their opinion, who cares what he thinks or I think or anyone here thinks, the important thing is you! There is a TON of advice in here, some of it is great and some of it is bad, but my opinion, your opinion and any other person's opinion on here of what good advice and bad advice is would be completely different to each other and their personal perspective of each opinion involved! Some people on here say stuff to encourage the fantasy you have and others are saying it's crazy, but advice is only labeled good or bad according to the perspective of those giving it and receiving it, there are so many factors that are applied to who sees what as good and bad advice I would be here typing a essay on the topic for days.

My point is not to let his opinion of your desires and wants that he finds uneasy to bother you so, who is this guy anyways? Your best friend? Bother? Mother? Nope, just some guy in a forum posting his opinion about your position and past actions and that's it! I am sure there are many who are thinking the same thing regarding my husband and his fantasy of me sleeping with his dad, they could tell me he was making them puke every time they thought about me and his dad together and how weird it is that he wants it, but who cares! I know my husband and he is a sweet heart, he is kind, gentle, considerate, and devoted and that's a small part of a long list and from what I have read from what you have posted I would say much the same about you!!!

I was taken back when I found out about his desire for me and his dad, but honestly it doesn't bother me all that much, so what if he wants that? It hasn't hurt me in any way and it's a part of who he is and I love the whole lot of him, daddy fantasy and all! I think it's sexy that I am the main focus of his sexual fantasy regardless of who else is involved, some men don't even want to touch their wives. It's unfortunate that your ex left your for your dad, but I was bored today and decided to read only your posts and no one else's posts regarding yours and it almost seems too obvious that part of you wanted this to happen and you wanted in a different way the emotions that came along with the fantasy of loosing her to him through the journey to the end and even now. I am not saying there is anything wrong with it, in fact in a strange way I think it's beautiful in regards of how unique your desires are and how they work, it is nothing like I have ever seen up until someone very close to me showed the same type!

I think you should stop beating your self up whenever you get off on those thoughts and just understand it's what you like, that's it, nothing else, you are not pathetic, or perverted, I think the only destructive thing here is you telling your self these negative things and believing what others think, I think you are beautiful!

J does the same thing and beats him self up for having these desires and has a hard time posting because he takes peoples opinions to personally, I have tried to make him feel better by excepting this is just something he likes and I try to play into it, but other then the desires you and him have in common, you and him are and were in two completely different situations. I don't have the connection your ex had with your dad as I have with J's, I will be frankly honest and admit I find his dad very attractive, but that's about it, I couldn't see my self in a relationship with him in a million years and it seems your ex felt the opposite with your father. Our position has much less risk if sex were to be involved primarily because sex would be the only thing involved, also I wasn't going to post this, but if I ever did sleep with his father I wouldn't be the first girl to have been shared by the two of them, which would give them the advantage of having gone through something very similar and coming out still strong in the end, that is if I had ever decided to sleep with him, but that is why I posted a previous statement that they are more like best friends then father and son. But that's another complicated story for another time.

My point is that it seems sex was never the only thing involved between your father and your ex from the get go and I believe you knew that just as much as anyone on here, but that's what it seemed like you wanted and I don't believe you are messed up or pathetic because of your want! But like I said, that's my opinion and it really doesn't matter unless you decide it does! Unless others feel the exact same as you and experience the exact same thing then they have not understand the why and how and possibly never will and until they experience it them selves, it's just there opinion and they can only give what you decide to take from it and I say take what you feel is the positive!

I didn't have much time to type this so I hope it made some sense at all and I am sorry if it's just a bunch of pointless crap, but you are not alone and believe me when I say, you and J have or had very much the same desires and if you ever want to talk with someone I would be happy to say "whats up." for you lol.

I think you are awesome and hope to see some more of your posts.

If you read my post after that I kind of dialed it back a little. I just believe Dave needs to move on and find someone else. If his kink is to revel in Jenna and his step dads new found relationship, more power to him. I guess I feel like he's torturing himself to some degree, but if that turns him on so be it. I could have worded it better I'm sure, I just can't wrap my mind around it. I AM SORRY! Forgive my ignorance, please

[jlevanson]

Well said, MrsV, well said. I look forward to more posts from you and from Dave. (Hope your hubby shares the story of the previous woman shared with his dad )

Oh Jesus!

[curiousdave]

Hey guy's I'm not going to quit posting. I posted during a sensitive moment I guess and just reacted badly. I'm over it now. So many of you wrote such nice and caring remarks recently I want to thank each and every one of you. They all hit the right spots for me, Thanks. HerlittleGuy, OneXtc, b_p, rs and the rest of you, thanks so much. Makes me feel special that so many of you care this way. And MrsV yours was especially nice since it was from a woman in such a similar like situation. Your comments and insight from the "other" side really meant a lot. I appreciate the time and effort you put into your reply and believe me I will probably read it over and over trying to understand things a little better from the "woman's side" of things. It would have been so cool to have Jen participate in a similar fashion here but undoubtedly she would have been run off in a big way after she made her decision. But just thinking of seeing her personal thoughts and comments as our saga unfolded is very special to me. Wish she could have been a little more like you

Thanks again everyone and I promise to update when I have something to report. Take care

[addicted2latina]

Dave I'm with you 100% and to tell you the truth I think that the Jen cucking you hasn't ended. But either way you go with it you know what you like now and all you have to do is find the right girl that's down for you. You're doing good! You're the reason I come to this site and honestly I think a lot of people feel the same way.

[b_p]

Dave, thanks for the reassurance that you're staying. And I too value that message from MrsV very highly.

This isn't the first time I've seen this kind of issue arise in this section. It seems to crop up periodically when something happens to push people's buttons.

Most are kind and supportive. But every now and then, somebody feels the need to shoot off his mouth and tell us that we're all a bunch of sick perverts in this section. Phooey.

BP

[Terrycart79]

I don't know if this has been brought up but Dave should hook up with MrsV if possible

[dirtydaddy30]

"But apparently I am just so fucked up that my life is too disgusting for even a cuckolding forum."

Has to be to my favorite quote.

Dave, I read mainly only your posts over the past 24 hrs and I feel bad for you, but glad you are bouncing back.
I can relate as I lost my wife to a boyfriend that I found for her. It is a slippery slope. If only the wives wouldn't fall in love with the lovers.

[Terrycart79]

I don't know if this has been brought up but Dave should hook up with MrsV if possible

Why? Not trying to be a bitch, just curious?

Just because of the way you guys relate with this subject

[bubbajack]

Dave's continuing to feel love and concern for Jenna and his stepfather is totally understandable to me; and I am speaking as a Dave supporter, expressing entirely friendly interest in his individual well-being.

His positive feelings towards them are understandable because the new constellation of relations among the three implies a potentiality for him of a better life than what he was living before the breakup. In other words, he might as well continue to love them precisely because, as he sees it, the new arrangement is an improvement in his (possibly quite near-term) prospects!

Because Dave has written so forthrightly and in detail about his feelings, I can see how he could think and feel that way. And this revelation to me is entirely due to his account, because some of the circumstances seemed quite outside what I have experienced and how I think I would react if precisely this had happened to me.

What I have actually encountered in my life that had some facts in common with Dave's story (and no, it wasn't my father who fucked my ex-wife) quickly left me feeling that I was on my way to a Better Life - which did come about!! And it was clear to me equally quickly that engaging in vengeful or retaliatory or even justified bad thoughts about the others who were involved would not enhance and could actually get in the way of my progress towards better days. This understanding was not due to my personal superior character in any way - it was just obvious.

I don't know everything about Dave and Jenna's marriage relationship as it was playing itself out - but I do know - Duh! - that it had its problems. The fact that it came apart with all these accompanying narrative details which seem to involve vivid cuckolding behavior expresses mostly the outside decorations on the more fundamental concrete process of undoing a problematic marriage. In other words, the cucky aspects of the story are fun and interesting, but they aren't necessarily the whole or even the most important parts of the process for the participants as their individual and collective lives go forward under changed conditions.

In the end, there are no good guys or bad guys in this tale, much as some of us would like to nominate certain of the characters for those roles. That's typical human spectator reaction (my late parents always thought until they died that my ex-wife was the villain in our piece - if they only knew! ) and it is how we fill in what we cannot ever know mostly because we weren't there, which is how in all its complexity the actual process went down for the participants.

[wingman]

How ya doing Dave?

[rs480]

I don't know if this has been brought up but Dave should hook up with MrsV if possible

Why? Not trying to be a bitch, just curious?

Just because of the way you guys relate with this subject

I see it this way: Mrs. V (ma'am) seems to be very hot in body and in mind and Dave seems to be in a situation that he needs some relief, mental and physical....

Rock on Dave! You're doin' the best you can in your situation.

[CuckedIn67]

"But apparently I am just so fucked up that my life is too disgusting for even a cuckolding forum."

Has to be to my favorite quote.

Dave, I read mainly only your posts over the past 24 hrs and I feel bad for you, but glad you are bouncing back.
I can relate as I lost my wife to a boyfriend that I found for her. It is a slippery slope. If only the wives wouldn't fall in love with the lovers.

I feel your pain DD30 as I too found a "bull" for my wife and even though he promised only sex with her, she has fallen in love with him and says she is no longer in love with me. Well she said her love for me has changed, but I believe she meant gone and could not say it. We no longer have sex and she does not offer any emotional support at all. Time for us both to move on.

[curiousdave]

How ya doing Dave?

I'm doing well, thanks for asking. Nothing at all to report though. It's been a busy couple of weeks at work and I haven't really been going out or anything. Hopefully I have something fun to write about soon.

[curiousdave]

"But apparently I am just so fucked up that my life is too disgusting for even a cuckolding forum."

Has to be to my favorite quote.

Dave, I read mainly only your posts over the past 24 hrs and I feel bad for you, but glad you are bouncing back.
I can relate as I lost my wife to a boyfriend that I found for her. It is a slippery slope. If only the wives wouldn't fall in love with the lovers.

I feel your pain DD30 as I too found a "bull" for my wife and even though he promised only sex with her, she has fallen in love with him and says she is no longer in love with me. Well she said her love for me has changed, but I believe she meant gone and could not say it. We no longer have sex and she does not offer any emotional support at all. Time for us both to move on.

I'm very very sorry to hear this. No words I can say will really help I know that. All I can say is try your best to be strong and just hang in there. The initial impact blow will lessen over time and things won't seem so dark then. Man that sounds lame reading, sorry. It's the best I can come up with because I just know at first, not much matters because it's gonna hurt no matter what. But it will ease with time, that I can promise.

[lozrob66]

While reading Bubbajack's post, I decided to clarify some points and hopefully without justifying a lesser position in order to placate the Dave lovers in this thread. I have not the enthusiasm for driving a thread such as this and I commend Dave to the forum for this. My main point is that at no time have I rubbished Jenna or Pops. They are purely characters in Dave's story. I do not wish them anything but good lives. Any comments I make are Dave orientated and are what I would consider to be the best course of action for Dave or a man in a similar position, and not designed to be retaliatory or vindictive. I do not see Jenna haters in this thread so can the Dave lovers stop going in and on about Jenna haters.

[MrsTruckstar]

I have been reading this thread forever - I first started following it on the other site as both my hubby and I were members there before here. It is better here. I haven't commented for a long time because of something that Lozrob has alluded to.

We hear often on this site in general about "Naysayers," "Doomsayers," "People with too much too say" and "haters." - I have been called all of these things at some time. We also have "Cheerleaders," I don't think I have ever been called that. LOL.

Outspoken I am. However we do have to look at why some people will decide that another person's "Opinion" because it is different to their own requires them to be labeled. This is not Curious Dave BTW, him and I have had differing opinions in the past and have debated them. Dave has chosen his path, I advised when I thought I could and as the deal is done there is no more advice from me so I just read.

Back to the post. Dave will have down days and will communicate them, how many of us have had a bad day at work and say "I am leaving," then stay.

Also he maybe thinking that the story has run its course, if we look at the title - even that is no longer true, maybe "My Ex-Wife and my Dad" the next chapter.

Writers will get fans, the fans will see the story unfolding and will have their thoughts, in a book, you say "oh I am glad it happened like that," when it goes the way you want and sometimes screaming at the book when it does not. That is why we read, we engross ourselves.

On a forum you have the ability to chip in, some will like the way it is going others will not. At times you will shout "no, look out." The author can't hear you. When it is a diary that unfolds as you read it and you are hooked, you will follow, some will offer opinion some won't.

A great English saying, brought to Hollywood by Clint Eastwood 'Dirty Harry' "Opinions are like arseholes everyone has one," The second line is different - 'Everybody thinks that all others stink'. Or and 'nobody wants to hear yours'. Or 'You are so close to his, you hear it before he does.'.

So what - There are very few neutrals in the world. There are three people in the story (Main frame) so people tend to be a fan of one of those characters, they will cherish them, one as hero (Quote Mrs V, You are awesome Dave), then as social reading has brought us a long we choose a villain.

We don't read 'Silence of the lambs' and at the end decide that Hannibal Lector was a hero, however the author writes it so we empathise. Clarissa is the "No, no, don't do that" character, I am sure you get my drift.

We go to a football game we cheer our team's good things and boo the bad. That is human behaviour.

Now I have an opinion. I think the true story has run its course and part two is in the offing. Where that goes is out to the Gods. However I think this will happen again, in a new format. As with all rewrites, the ante has to be upped.

Dave's Dad was never his real Dad so there were no blood lines. Just two men with Dave's Mum and then wife in common.

The newer version I predict could be a a harder story with a female perspective. A young married mother with a newborn baby that is not that of the husband she is with. So a 'paternal rights' ex-lover also hovering. Her husband's 'real' Dad who has shared a woman with her husband before is the love interest as with the first story. Now that would be exciting.

She could start off saying it would never happen, I find him attractive but no. The husband could start by saying I have this fantasy about my wife and my Dad. The girl then moves to "Well if I did have sex with him it would be only sex."

Then once the baby was born, somebody would need to stay in to look after the little one and Mum and Granddad could go out together. They spend more time together and before we know it we have a blockbuster and Mrs V is living with her FiL and we are back here deciding who is a fan and who is a hater. To say we have seen it all before would be an understatement.

Should we warn Mrs V how it will turn out, should we cheer, should we not comment at all or should we advise her what to do. Bearing in mind we have seen something similar before, she has also left hubby once before and came back pregnant. No she wouldn't leave him twice, surely not.....

It may not happen at all. However we read it and stories like it because it feeds our brains and we have thoughts on it and about it. Those that want to express an opinion will and those that don't won't. What we must not do is think that individual's opinion ranks higher than ours. We can debate it but we must obey the rules of the forum. You get a warning when you overstep the mark.

On an open forum - posters post - due to it being open, they must expect opinion back, they can run with it or ignore it, if it breaks the rules they should report it.

Pushing somebody along - saying do it, do it, go on, there is no harm, crack on..... Is not opinion. When doing this anonymously people - please think of the people who have been driven to suicide by comments on a forum, saying go to the bridge, please jump.

Just because somebody says they will never ever do something, does not mean they won't. Mrs V obviously thinks about it as she mentions "it would only be sex at least once every ten days."

My personal opinion is I hope she does not fuck her FiL, my thoughts are she is more likely to than not. Time will tell.

Dave thanks for being so honest and laying your life out for people to study, learn from, get their jollies from, cry over, smile at but also be entertained by. I will continue to read it (and learn from it) whenever you care to write about it. I will offer opinion when I personally think it is required, when I don't I will just read.

[heartm8]

latimes.com/home/laaffairs/la-hm-affairs-20131005,0,4717375.story


Real life is weirder than fiction. I was reading stories of adoption and they really have some secrets attached to them. Anyway I saw the article in the above in the LA Times, and thought of you guys.

Read the above story. My fantasy for Dave is that his Dad get's Alzheimers, or a stroke, and Jenna brings Dave back into the picture, becomes the bull again, and then his dad gets to eat the creampies. It's feeeeeeeding timmeee. I also wish Dave would post a face blocked out picture of them together. Don't want to wish ill will upon Dave's dad, it's just if that's the way it turned out, all you guys could stroke your meat some more. LoL