Wife and my Dad

[curiousdave]

latimes.com/home/laaffairs/la-hm-affairs-20131005,0,4717375.story


Real life is weirder than fiction. I was reading stories of adoption and they really have some secrets attached to them. Anyway I saw the article in the above in the LA Times, and thought of you guys.

Read the above story. My fantasy for Dave is that his Dad get's Alzheimers, or a stroke, and Jenna brings Dave back into the picture, becomes the bull again, and then his dad gets to eat the creampies. It's feeeeeeeding timmeee. I also wish Dave would post a face blocked out picture of them together. Don't want to wish ill will upon Dave's dad, it's just if that's the way it turned out, all you guys could stroke your meat some more. LoL

Well first let me say, that I hope with all my heart non of what you wished for ever happens. That would be beyond awful to me . I know you are making your wishes or comments from the stand point of characters in a story and not the real life that it is so no harm no foul. But in reality that would just be devastating to me and many others. So let's hope for nothing but good things (especially health wise)

Now heres something that will raise some eye brows and cause great speculation, I honestly do not think I would get back together with Jenna. I love her with all my heart and still find her incredibly exciting and the sexiest woman I have ever known. But things have changed and I can't picture us as a couple again. I still picture the "old us" but that ship has now sailed. She is different and so am I. I fantasize about her, jack off to her image and the things she's doing in my head but to actually be with her again I just can't picture it. As turned on as my situation does leave me at times I still feel a great inner shame and embarrassment. To try and go back to what we once had would be almost impossible I think. Here's another thing that will probably shock people, I think I would also feel very guilty about being with her again. I think of Jenna as Dad's now. As you will know from many things I wrote I think I was feeling that way for a good while. Apparently my brain is wired very strangely and I either wanted to lose the love of my life or I saw it coming anyway so I forced my brain to accept it and embrace it, or maybe it was a combination of both. I think looking back that it was closer to the "I saw it happening, so I did what I could do to cope" .

Seeing them together all those weeks and months I saw the inevitable. Still it took a lot of other factors to come to fruition but they were falling in love and I knew it and then later, wanted it. I just chalk it up as meant to be now. So if something horrible happened to my dad or they fell out of love, well it would be like any other normal son being presented with that situation. Not a situation like it really is, that she was once mine. It would be like I was getting with my fathers woman and I would feel sick and guilty over that. I know reading that sounds crazy and it feels sort of crazy writing it. She was mine for so long before all this but now that doesn't even seem real almost. Reality seems like they were a couple for so long and I was just here fantasizing and dreaming about them. Yes I am wired weird, I know it and accept it. I don't always like it but I do accept it. She is his now, mind , body, and soul and I feel good about it. To me they are the real deal, a couple that should be together. They seem perfect as a couple to me. As much as I would love to be the man of her dreams I didn't end up being that man. And I do want her to have the man of her dreams.

I see myself moving on at some point. Finding a new woman that I love and adore. Will we become vanilla and normal? Will I be fearful of losing her if I share her? Will I become jealous and controlling out of this fear? I don't know. I feel I will still have these deep dark desires and fantasies about any woman I may love or lust after. They are really deep inside me I know this. But either way I will find some one new eventually, I know this. I am not sitting here pinning away for Jenna, not at all. Yes I have strange, weird fantasies involving her and for all I know I may always have them. But in those weird fantasies none of them involve getting her back. She's gone in that way now and I see her in a different light. Maybe I feel she is really too good for me I don't know. I think part of me thinks I would never stack up to the competition when it comes to her. I was blessed having her for so long but I don't feel I could cut it again. I also don't think she would think I cut it either. Like I mentioned before she really wasn't a cuckolding type. She seems much more normal and everyday (exciting , beautiful and sexy) but more normal in her desires. Looks wise she would make the perfect woman to many of us as a dominate cuckolding , sexy wife. But inside she just wanted one man, one man who was her everything. Not a real man and a puppy dog to play with when she got home. She's normal ! I'm not normal and I know it. I have to accept these things or go to work on fixing it (which I don't know how to do or really want to either), so I have to find someone who is more like me. Has different desires and needs in a relationship and wants to cuckold her man and still love and keep him around

Anyway, thought I'd add this to the mix. I know many won't believe it and I understand why. Who sits and fantasizes constantly about a woman but then says they wouldn't get with her in reality? I guess I do. But it's all just wild speculation anyway because believe me, she is very happy, he is very healthy , and they will most likely be together for a long long time.

[lozrob66]

Good for you Dave. I'll have to disagree with you though. You are entirely normal.

[curiousdave]

MrsTruckstar your reply confuses me a little. I think I know what you're getting at but I'm not 100% sure. The mixing of my story with MrsV sort of confuses. Like I said to MrsV or her husband (not sure which thread it was in) but I really wasn't giving advice. I just wish them the best and hope they both get all they need and want from each other and their situation. Last I read it didn't sound like she was ever going to sleep with her FIL but was ok with hubby using it fantasy wise. Something I must say is great and awesome from her. MRSV you are awesome

This whole scenario is so damn tricky and as you see with my story, very hard to make work. Having a wife that understands and wants the cuckold lifestyle is hard enough for sure. But add to the mix a family member ( a father no less) is probably a million to one. And then that million to one is still going to be tough to hold together. In a normal cuckold relationship you aren't going to have a lot of support in this world. You have to be careful and hide what you're doing from most of the world. With it involving family, well you know. Very lonely and dark and forbidden, not easy to navigate for anyone, even the kinkiest of souls. But that's not to say they shouldn't do it if all wants it. Life is short and everyone should try and get what they want and need from it. I just see it as a hard hard road. But anyway still a little confused with some of the things you were saying. As I read it I was wondering/thinking "Is she referring to me or MrsV". Maybe you can eloborate if you feel like it.

As for the haters, cheerleaders... I am over all that now. I had one moment of 'hurt feelings' in all these many months of writing. Well I had others but I never responded till I worked it out and was over it before. I only responded the one time when I was hurt and I regret it now. I always understand where people are coming from and usually it's out of a desire to help me. It was all in the wording in that particular moment that got me. No biggie now and everyone should just comment/chat/say whatever they want without fear of hurting my feelings. I can take it, I'm a big boy

[curiousdave]

Good for you Dave. I'll have to disagree with you though. You are entirely normal.

Aww thanks for saying that. Not even close to true but I appreciate the thought anyway

[MrsTruckstar]

Dave, I can't see why we wouldn't believe it. It does take a big man to accept that the ship that was once you whole life has sailed, albeit with a different Captain at the helm. I also believe that this has been life changing and you will learn from it. Maybe you do it different the next time (and it won't be you dad leaving with her coz he is busy (sic)).

It takes a big man to admit he is a crazy mixed up son of a gun (I hope that is not a derogatory phrase in US). However knowing where you are and what road you have taken will no doubt make you play it different the next time. You will still have the memories of Jenna, good, bad, kinky and to use your own words weird. It has been life changing and nobody is injured physically, you have had some emotional baggae but you are pretty much through that.

I also join you in clicking my tongue ay "heartm8" comment, I think it was an attempt at humour. I for one would never wish anything like those terrible things on anybody. I do not like you dad or jenna, I have never met them. If I met them on holiday not making the connection I am sure they would be lovely.

I am glad you are on the mend, it looks like a smooth landing for you after all and what we all forecasted came true but at least you are upbeat now and that is a great thing.

I wish you well in life and love and hope you find the peace you deserve.
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[MrsTruckstar]

MrsTruckstar your reply confuses me a little. I think I know what you're getting at but I'm not 100% sure. The mixing of my story with MrsV sort of confuses. Like I said to MrsV or her husband (not sure which thread it was in) but I really wasn't giving advice. I just wish them the best and hope they both get all they need and want from each other and their situation. Last I read it didn't sound like she was ever going to sleep with her FIL but was ok with hubby using it fantasy wise. Something I must say is great and awesome from her. MRSV you are awesome

This whole scenario is so damn tricky and as you see with my story, very hard to make work. Having a wife that understands and wants the cuckold lifestyle is hard enough for sure. But add to the mix a family member ( a father no less) is probably a million to one. And then that million to one is still going to be tough to hold together. In a normal cuckold relationship you aren't going to have a lot of support in this world. You have to be careful and hide what you're doing from most of the world. With it involving family, well you know. Very lonely and dark and forbidden, not easy to navigate for anyone, even the kinkiest of souls. But that's not to say they shouldn't do it if all wants it. Life is short and everyone should try and get what they want and need from it. I just see it as a hard hard road. But anyway still a little confused with some of the things you were saying. As I read it I was wondering/thinking "Is she referring to me or MrsV". Maybe you can eloborate if you feel like it.

I wrote my other bit before you asked me this.

My elaboration is -: I know you are not a cheerleader, you are a guy telling a story, which has concluded in a very sad way. I also believe that what will be will be. The mix of the Mrs V story is, I would hate for that to take the same route, to the same ending. If it does, then it does and that will be sad. I do think that adding a family member makes the chance of success very low.

If your end goal was that Jenna find the perfect man that is your dad, then you achieved that. There was a lot of collateral damage on the way and you had some very low periods in your life, which seem to be behind you now.

Is J, Mrs V's other half as strong as you? I don't know. The Dad is his real Dad, (not a great difference to your relationship). I know you haven't advised her, I know she has read what you wrote in one go and called you awesome. I read your stuff as it unfolded and some days I cried and cried because it was so moving and so sad.

That aside if Mrs V does go the way you did, I today, at my current point think she will. I do believe I could be wrong also. Then she may be as happy as Jenna, the collateral damage would be J in my opinion, bear in mind they all 3 live together in the same house so opportunity knocks daily. I am not asking you to advise her, however your story shows that control of these things, fantasy, reality, feelings and love are very difficult to run with and cope with, whilst the world goes around.

I would not wish to see another casualty when cuckolding is their real goal and dad is just his fantasy.

[Wistful]

I think of Jenna as Dad's now.
"I saw it happening, so I did what I could do to cope" .
Seeing them together all those weeks and months I saw the inevitable. . . they were falling in love and I knew it and then later, wanted it. I just chalk it up as meant to be now. To me they are the real deal, a couple that should be together.

After this last retrospective post, it is easier for me to think back on your story with less and less outrage at Jenna and your Dad. You've quite convincingly shown us the progression was inevitable, and for the best, as well. Maybe.

But your post does make the whole experience easier to contemplate.

[curiousdave]

MrsTruckstar your reply confuses me a little. I think I know what you're getting at but I'm not 100% sure. The mixing of my story with MrsV sort of confuses. Like I said to MrsV or her husband (not sure which thread it was in) but I really wasn't giving advice. I just wish them the best and hope they both get all they need and want from each other and their situation. Last I read it didn't sound like she was ever going to sleep with her FIL but was ok with hubby using it fantasy wise. Something I must say is great and awesome from her. MRSV you are awesome

This whole scenario is so damn tricky and as you see with my story, very hard to make work. Having a wife that understands and wants the cuckold lifestyle is hard enough for sure. But add to the mix a family member ( a father no less) is probably a million to one. And then that million to one is still going to be tough to hold together. In a normal cuckold relationship you aren't going to have a lot of support in this world. You have to be careful and hide what you're doing from most of the world. With it involving family, well you know. Very lonely and dark and forbidden, not easy to navigate for anyone, even the kinkiest of souls. But that's not to say they shouldn't do it if all wants it. Life is short and everyone should try and get what they want and need from it. I just see it as a hard hard road. But anyway still a little confused with some of the things you were saying. As I read it I was wondering/thinking "Is she referring to me or MrsV". Maybe you can eloborate if you feel like it.

I wrote my other bit before you asked me this.

My elaboration is -: I know you are not a cheerleader, you are a guy telling a story, which has concluded in a very sad way. I also believe that what will be will be. The mix of the Mrs V story is, I would hate for that to take the same route, to the same ending. If it does, then it does and that will be sad. I do think that adding a family member makes the chance of success very low.

If your end goal was that Jenna find the perfect man that is your dad, then you achieved that. There was a lot of collateral damage on the way and you had some very low periods in your life, which seem to be behind you now.

Is J, Mrs V's other half as strong as you? I don't know. The Dad is his real Dad, (not a great difference to your relationship). I know you haven't advised her, I know she has read what you wrote in one go and called you awesome. I read your stuff as it unfolded and some days I cried and cried because it was so moving and so sad.

That aside if Mrs V does go the way you did, I today, at my current point think she will. I do believe I could be wrong also. Then she may be as happy as Jenna, the collateral damage would be J in my opinion, bear in mind they all 3 live together in the same house so opportunity knocks daily. I am not asking you to advise her, however your story shows that control of these things, fantasy, reality, feelings and love are very difficult to run with and cope with, whilst the world goes around.

I would not wish to see another casualty when cuckolding is their real goal and dad is just his fantasy.

Makes total sense now, thank you for explaining further. I agree too, all good thoughts.

[curiousdave]

Heh while I was reading and replying to things here I got a surprise visit from my former MIL. She stopped by and dropped off a dinner she made (used to be my favorite she would cook when we visited). Said she was thinking of me and made the dinner with me in mind. She's always been so damn sweet. I miss those dinners now. She told me I should come by and visit any time. She only stayed about 20 minutes but it was nice.

[MrsTruckstar]

You make perfect sense Babes, I am also glad you haven't taken offence because the hero thing was an iteration not a comparison. Text can be the devil's own telephone. I am glad that you weigh everything up and thank you for the positive comments about me.

I wrote what I wrote because I believe you to be a strong woman and I was once like you a whole lifetime ago. If my 52 years on this planet has taught me anything it is Life is a long learning process and even 90 year old women can learn something from girls much younger ....

My entire point is about balance and control and today I think you have that.

[AsianWife40]

Dave - I think you should get in the habit of visiting your MIL and hopefully you will soon be getting dessert after your meal. That would add an interesting twist! :-)

[Terrycart79]

Dave - I think you should get in the habit of visiting your MIL and hopefully you will soon be getting dessert after your meal. That would add an interesting twist! :-)

Haha that would be awesome, if she were at least a little attractive

[b_p]

I completely agree that you should hang around with your former mother-in-law. She sounds like a wonderful person. It sounds very much to me like she misses you too.

While I don't necessarily agree that you should get sexually involved with her, it would not be at all surprising if she would fix you up with a nice, eligible younger friend of hers. She knows a lot of your history, maybe more than you know. I'm guessing in that regard, of course.

I hope that you will be able to socialize with her as a long-time and dear friend.

[curiousdave]

I completely agree that you should hang around with your former mother-in-law. She sounds like a wonderful person. It sounds very much to me like she misses you too.

While I don't necessarily agree that you should get sexually involved with her, it would not be at all surprising if she would fix you up with a nice, eligible younger friend of hers. She knows a lot of your history, maybe more than you know. I'm guessing in that regard, of course.

I hope that you will be able to socialize with her as a long-time and dear friend.

Well I definitely plan to keep in contact with my former MIL and family. It's weird because I think of her much like a real mom but of course that has to change some now. I mean I used to call her mom but haven't felt comfortable with that since everything happened. She probably wouldn't say anything if I slipped up and said mom again but I know she would feel awkward due to everything. One day she will probably be a grandmother to Jen and my Dad's child or children so it wouldn't be right for me to still treat her as my mom. But I will treat her as a friend and hopefully she will always view me that way as well. I doubt we will be super close and do much hanging out. Besides Jen we don't have tons in common, she's early 50's and I'm 31 so. For those crazy folks who suggest I bang her lol, that's just crazy. First of all even though I am a pervert I'm not that kind of perv She is somewhat attractive for a lady her age but she is still too close to being a mom to me to see her that way. And even if I wanted to do it more than anything in the world she'd never have any of that. She's accepted Jen's decisions and now seems ok but all in all she's very conservative and modest and normal. She would never do anything like that I'm sure. You guys are some kinky sons of guns for sure lol.

[allengt]

As soon as Jen marries you dad she will then bcome your step mom so you can call Jen mom and her mother will be your step grandmother so you can call her gramma.

[Terrycart79]

I completely agree that you should hang around with your former mother-in-law. She sounds like a wonderful person. It sounds very much to me like she misses you too.

While I don't necessarily agree that you should get sexually involved with her, it would not be at all surprising if she would fix you up with a nice, eligible younger friend of hers. She knows a lot of your history, maybe more than you know. I'm guessing in that regard, of course.

I hope that you will be able to socialize with her as a long-time and dear friend.

Well I definitely plan to keep in contact with my former MIL and family. It's weird because I think of her much like a real mom but of course that has to change some now. I mean I used to call her mom but haven't felt comfortable with that since everything happened. She probably wouldn't say anything if I slipped up and said mom again but I know she would feel awkward due to everything. One day she will probably be a grandmother to Jen and my Dad's child or children so it wouldn't be right for me to still treat her as my mom. But I will treat her as a friend and hopefully she will always view me that way as well. I doubt we will be super close and do much hanging out. Besides Jen we don't have tons in common, she's early 50's and I'm 31 so. For those crazy folks who suggest I bang her lol, that's just crazy. First of all even though I am a pervert I'm not that kind of perv She is somewhat attractive for a lady her age but she is still too close to being a mom to me to see her that way. And even if I wanted to do it more than anything in the world she'd never have any of that. She's accepted Jen's decisions and now seems ok but all in all she's very conservative and modest and normal. She would never do anything like that I'm sure. You guys are some kinky sons of guns for sure lol.

Haha of course, that's why we're here! This site should be called sexualdeviants.com. Don't click on that, it's probably a legit site.

Dave, I wish I could say I am like you in this regard but I cannot. Unless it's actually a blood relative, if an attractive woman wanted to get in my pants, nothing would stop me from letting her. Haha I know that sounds horrible but it's true, no matter if it was a family friend, my kindergarten teacher, or an in-law. Of course there is the other barrier...... menopause. Aside from a small minority of women, it *seems* like most of them have almost zero interest in sex after age 50, especially with young guys, unless maybe they look like the dudes from Twilight.

[MrsTruckstar]

How dare you over fifty and past the menopause? That is no barrier to satisfying sex lives. Cheeky youth.

[AsianWife40]

Dave - You should compliment the MIL on her appearance or clothing when u see her and I am sure she would greatly appreciate it no matter how conservative she appears! ;-)

[roadrunner]

As soon as Jen marries you dad she will then bcome your step mom so you can call Jen mom and her mother will be your step grandmother so you can call her gramma.

But "Dad" is really "Step-Dad", so Jen would then be his "Step-Step-Mom", or better still...


His Two-Step Mom!

[b_p]

Thanks for your very nice reply, Dave.

For what it's worth, I think you should continue to call her "Mom." If she misses you as much as it sounds like, she'd probably appreciate that very much.

You don't have to be hung up about her being your "ex" mother-in-law. You can call her whatever the two of you find mutually acceptable. And given the difference in ages, "Mom" would probably work quite well for both of you.

I hope it works out well for you, I think that both of you would enjoy and appreciate continuing that (platonic) relationship.

[curiousdave]

Hi guys, been a while

Just dropping in to say Hi and let you know I've been in contact with Paige again. She started texting me again a couple of weeks ago. Nothing big just small friendly texts and then as we've kept in contact more and more friendly. I'm actually going out to meet her and some of her friends tonight YAY! Hopefully I will have something fun to talk about soon

Nothing really to report on with Jenna. Haven't talked with her or seen much of her lately. She's very busy with her salon and most likely with her upcoming wedding plans. I'll write back soon

[Trixkat]

*waving enthusiastically* hi Dave!! nice to see you!!!

[Niblick]

Great to hear from you, Dave. Good luck to you with Paige....and her friends!

[rs480]

Hi Dave!

[b_p]

Thanks for the update, Dave!