Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by slenderfish » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:32 pm

Mark K wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:15 pm
slenderfish wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:11 pm
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:09 pm
Given your minute attention to detail, and potential roadblocks, I think you have smoothed her path to HW'ing as much as any man could, without encroaching on any pressure. Slenderwife seems quite adult and well grounded I'm her observations and expectations. It would not be surprising if she returns from her Oct. trip as a HW. ;)
Last night in passing she finally mentioned that she had heard back from Mr. S and that he replied in the exact manner as anticipated, that he was sorry for his misstep and that he is clearly attracted to SW and would love to see her again and will restrain himself.
This is fantastic. She has taken back control of the situation. He will be eager to follow her lead now, where ever it goes or does not go, it appears.
Yes, I said the exact same thing to her. She is free to dictate the terms, timing, etc. and he will happily agree to whatever. I reminded her that she should plan in advance these things, because the opportunity is now and won't be this strong with him, perhaps ever again. Things such as a) keeping quiet, b) making himself available at her request, c) not getting too needy, d) agreeing to stay out of the way of her marriage, e) etc. etc.

We will see how she plays this one.

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by Mark K » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:14 pm

slenderfish wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:32 pm
Mark K wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:15 pm
slenderfish wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:11 pm
BallSpanking wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:09 pm
Given your minute attention to detail, and potential roadblocks, I think you have smoothed her path to HW'ing as much as any man could, without encroaching on any pressure. Slenderwife seems quite adult and well grounded I'm her observations and expectations. It would not be surprising if she returns from her Oct. trip as a HW. ;)
Last night in passing she finally mentioned that she had heard back from Mr. S and that he replied in the exact manner as anticipated, that he was sorry for his misstep and that he is clearly attracted to SW and would love to see her again and will restrain himself.
This is fantastic. She has taken back control of the situation. He will be eager to follow her lead now, where ever it goes or does not go, it appears.
Yes, I said the exact same thing to her. She is free to dictate the terms, timing, etc. and he will happily agree to whatever. I reminded her that she should plan in advance these things, because the opportunity is now and won't be this strong with him, perhaps ever again. Things such as a) keeping quiet, b) making himself available at her request, c) not getting too needy, d) agreeing to stay out of the way of her marriage, e) etc. etc.

We will see how she plays this one.
I agree. It appears to be setting up as an almost perfect situation for a first time experience (redo). Being in control of the situation should provide her more confidence also; which is fantastic. Not waiting for his moves, wondering what will happen, when it will happen, etc... all goes away. She can now plan it out as you say. Perhaps that original blown experience was great after all!

In my readings/homework, having the Hotwife 'in charge' lends itself to better end results. At least that is what I am thinking/reading.

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by tojanman » Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:46 pm

All of these different situations, opportunities, gatherings... I feel this is kinda of like fishing right now. Slenderfish keeps presenting different baits for SW (Mr. S, Mr. B, etc) and eventually she’s gonna bite one.

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by slenderfish » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:09 pm

tojanman wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:46 pm
All of these different situations, opportunities, gatherings... I feel this is kinda of like fishing right now. Slenderfish keeps presenting different baits for SW (Mr. S, Mr. B, etc) and eventually she’s gonna bite one.
Preparation, opportunity, timing, mood, a bit of magic....

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by tojanman » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:16 am

... and some really good wine!

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Unread post by slenderfish » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:56 am

tojanman wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:16 am
... and some really good wine!
Ha! I was going to say that but left it out. Thanks for completing the thought.

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by superb101 » Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:12 am

I was wondering if you are a light sleeper? would you wake up if she slipped out of bed to head to the guest room to fuck MR. B?

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Unread post by tojanman » Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:02 am

Got your back slender lol.

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by superb101 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:20 am

Any updates?

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by slenderfish » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:49 am

Had my business meeting with Mr. B yesterday, go some things accomplished on that subject.

He asked if we'd invited Ms. R to the upcoming going-away party we are hosting on Saturday, and I said we had not, that the guest of honor was not friends with Ms. R and that Mr. B is free to invite as his guest or to attend solo, as he may prefer.

He thought about it for the afternoon and then said he will invite Ms. R as his guest, because he still prefers the "sure thing" which I understand.

I caught SW up on this development when I returned home late (after dinner etc.) and she was disappointed but tried to hide it (my take on it). I'm sure we will get more on that today.

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by BallSpanking » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:54 am

She is trying to keep the disappointment to herself. If you say nothing, note her tone when she brings it up. Her disappointment will likely be expressed as to something casual (non-essential) to the gathering. ;)
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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by superb101 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:08 am

I'm surprised you didn't tell Mr. B that your wife would have liked for him to come alone-just to get his reaction.

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by 54321 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:25 am

Just what IS her relationship with Mr B?

I get the feeling that it's an attention thing...
Flirtatious women like to have a man's attention and interest, even if they do not find that particular man attractive.
They like to feel that they've 'still got it', and 'I could have had him just like that if I'd wanted to'.
Such women work hard to be the centre of male attention but, when it comes to it, don't put out... normally.

Hotwifing is another thing of course. Suddenly, following through becomes not just a possibility but a win-win-win result.
You've done an outstanding job of opening up this possibility for her and it looks like she's going to take it with Mr S.

Congratulations to you both.

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by coastalkid » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:42 am

Did you come away from your meeting with Mr. B convinced (as your wife insisted you would be) that they were only 'sleeping' together and not sleeping together? Did SW seem more concerned about that or the fact that Mr. B would invite his "sure thing"? Her answer/response would be a telling thing to me.
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Unread post by afagehi7 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:32 am

You've not given any details about the meeting. Did you discuss the security camera or what happened? Did you bring up her potential status as a hotwife? Did you indicate Mr B is a potential client? I'm guessing no to the last one or he would be coming to the gala solo.

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Unread post by slenderfish » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:09 pm

Hi again. I have time to go into it a bit deeper now.

I did not take time to go into personal stuff with Mr. B. It was a business meeting and we hashed the model for his company' request of capital infusion from a fund that I and my group introduced to Mr. B, which fund seems to be more appealing to Mr. B versus the one with which he was previously in advanced stages of negotiations.

I had made a safety dinner reservation nearby, so that we could have happy hour cocktails and then sushi. But he wanted to go see the election debate, was meeting his soon-to-be-ex-wife at a nearby pub. If he and I had been alone over cocktails, I may have broached the subject. Here's how I believe it might have transpired:

- we get into conversation about Saturday party

- I go back and revisit the fact that SW had insisted we only invite him (and not Ms. R) under the excuse that Ms. M (the guest of honor) doesn't even know Mr. R (as I'd noted to him earlier).

- From this point, I jump to the fact that I continue to feel a bit of additional energy from her, as relates to Mr. B, noting as a most recent example that she apparently prefers that he attend on Saturday as a solo single

- Then I guide the conversation as to how she tells me she feels about him (e.g. her reliable teddy bear friend, super comfortable, etc.) even to the point of no compunction about having him at the house alone, with lots of wine, while I'm out of town over the weekend, etc. and will remind him that of course I was good with it, reminding him that he and I had spoken about in beforehand.

- At this point presumably he will acknowledge and add what he will, perhaps about "that night" and then I delve into the more uncomfortable part where she did say he stayed later and they drank wine and she danced on the pole and sat on his lap and they crashed in the master bedroom, and that she kicked him out after a modest time because of snoring. That she told me all this in order to be on the "up and up" and to achieve continuing trust and keep me from drawing the wrong conclusions, etc.

- I would then assess the moment and perhaps share with him, in total confidence, that she is actively but carefully moving into the hotwife lifestyle. This would be the big leap of faith and perhaps a breakthrough. I am sure he is aware at some level of hotwifery as a concept, etc. and perhaps this will clarify in his mind why SW is so friendly and flirtatious with him.

- Presumably we would talk and I would confirm that I'm supporting her forays and that I can't be sure if I believe her when she says she has no romantic or physical attraction to Mr. B, in that her energy and behavior seems to indicate otherwise. That perhaps she is not willing to jump over that line, or that she does not know how to do it, or that she is still trying to decide, etc.

And it would go from there. It would be interesting to see at that point if he reverses course and decides not to invite Ms. R as his date.

But this is all just conjecture, because he departed the conference room at 5:30 and ran over to watch the debate. I haven't spoken with him since.

I did, however, call SW at 5:30 and let her know that I was gonna keep the 6:00 p.m. dinner reservation at the sushi place, and that I would instead of Mr. B meet my son (from a prior marriage, who lives and works very close to that area) for dinner.

While on the phone with her, I gave her the cursory update on the business meeting, and noted that Mr. B was going over to watch the debate, and that I'd laid out the situation that Ms. R was not an "invited guest" for Saturday but that he was free to invite her as his date. As previously mentioned. Also that he said he would invite Ms. R (as the "sure thing") etc. SW had the expected snide comment.

I then told her that I almost took her challenge to go ahead and revisit "that night" with Mr. B, directly with Mr. B, in order to "get my mind resolved" that nothing had happened. She had told me on at least three occasions that she preferred I do so, but I'd demurred, under the rationale that we didn't need to messy up the friendship with Mr. B, etc. (But to be honest, and without sharing with her, more for my reasons, that I wanted to see if they at some point believed "the coast is clear, the smoke has dissipated" and would resume their serious flirting etc.)

She almost came unglued when I mentioned this close possibility. I mean, she started telling me how difficult her life is right now, so much anxiety with a) the home remodel and mess and inability to live normally, b) the Covid environment, c) she is treating an uncomfortable yeast infection, d) her next trip coming up and it isn't yet fully planned, e) this whole new hotwife thing is laying heavy on her psyche right now, f) party to prepare etc. etc. I had to talk her off the edge while exiting the office, down the elevator, into the parking structure and then driving over, barely making the dinner reservation at the last edge of the 15-minute grace period.

It's now the next day and I'm trying to sort out the energy behind her outburst, etc.

I woke up twice overnight with something nagging at the edge of my consciousness, which is extremely rare for me. The following kept creeping into my thoughts:

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by samlowen » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:25 pm

I know that when I have had outbursts and given a long list of excuses, it's because I'm hiding something. The long list of excuses is me trying to find something that hits and makes sense so I can avoid saying what's really going on.

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Unread post by afagehi7 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:30 pm

I wouldn't ask Mr. B about the security camera. I think that horse is beaten enough.

If he knew he was a potential buyer for SW hotwife cherry I wonder if he would have still invited Mrs S.

Hotwifes seem to often be made from an open mind and the right circumstances. The security camera night was certainly opportunity but her mind wasn't open enough yet. Perhaps you need to set the stage again? If he was alone late at your house and staying over you could fake a headache and leave them alone... And watch secretly from the security camera.

I think if the right situation falls into place SW will proceed. I'm not convinced she'll go through with it on her trip but there's still green on the field.

Either way this has to be a blast.

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by slenderfish » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:39 pm

afagehi7 wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:30 pm
I wouldn't ask Mr. B about the security camera. I think that horse is beaten enough.

If he knew he was a potential buyer for SW hotwife cherry I wonder if he would have still invited Mrs S.

Hotwifes seem to often be made from an open mind and the right circumstances. The security camera night was certainly opportunity but her mind wasn't open enough yet. Perhaps you need to set the stage again? If he was alone late at your house and staying over you could fake a headache and leave them alone... And watch secretly from the security camera.

I think if the right situation falls into place SW will proceed. I'm not convinced she'll go through with it on her trip but there's still green on the field.

Either way this has to be a blast.
Yes this is indeed a blast, as you put it. I like that description.

So my thought was to kind of "come clean" with Mr. B as to my and SW's hotwife tiptoeing. This so that if he was hoping to "get in" with SW and had lost interest, this might revive his interest because a) I would be giving my clear consent and encouragement, but with a caution to be very very careful with this information and extra sensitive to her uncertainty; and b) he would immediately show his interest (or not) by electing (or not) to attend the Saturday party as a solo player, and then presumably following his usual pattern of staying the night after the party, etc.

It may be useful to note that I'm going away an a boys' weekend the following weekend (Oct 9-11). Will she arrange another girls' night while I'm away? At this point if she believes Mr. B is invested in Ms. R, will SW then be disinclined to invite him?

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by CarstonMathers » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:20 pm

I'm starting to need one of those 'Cast of Characters' lists they put at the beginning of the theatre program for a show!

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by BallSpanking » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:37 pm

If SW protests at all, it is likely because something is making her uncomfortable, whether it is what she tells you, or something else. You might want to let her sort if out ...
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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by coastalkid » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:42 pm

Just a guess, so take that for what it's worth, but maybe SW reacted in such a charged way because she has doubts about Mr. B in light of his "sure thing". She may suspect that he might be a little more forthcoming if he isn't truly interested in her. She may also be frustrated by having hopes for Mr. B and those hopes not being reciprocated by him. Either way, the list she counted off of things putting pressure on her may or may not be as severe as she suggests but the cumulative effect is clearly a real issue. Anything you can do to assuage the "little" issues would be helpful to you and her. It feels like Mr. B is moving on.
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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by slenderfish » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:43 pm

CarstonMathers wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:20 pm
I'm starting to need one of those 'Cast of Characters' lists they put at the beginning of the theatre program for a show!
I agree.

I'll pull one together next day or so.

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by slenderfish » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:46 pm

coastalkid wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:42 pm
Just a guess, so take that for what it's worth, but maybe SW reacted in such a charged way because she has doubts about Mr. B in light of his "sure thing". She may suspect that he might be a little more forthcoming if he isn't truly interested in her. She may also be frustrated by having hopes for Mr. B and those hopes not being reciprocated by him. Either way, the list she counted off of things putting pressure on her may or may not be as severe as she suggests but the cumulative effect is clearly a real issue. Anything you can do to assuage the "little" issues would be helpful to you and her. It feels like Mr. B is moving on.
Yes, I think we are at a crossroads (just barely on the other side of it) with Mr. B and I suppose I don't want to let it go at this point. If I am sensing this and coming up with ideas to refresh Mr. B's interest, I guess that says something. Probably SW is also sensing it and struggling with it in her way.

Time to be extra supportive of her.

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Re: Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

Unread post by CuriousOne36 » Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:23 am

Took me a couple of Days to read this entire thread but well worth savoring every word. Very interesting incites from all that have commented.

I’m so envious of your situation. I think I’m making strides down the path with my wife and then the other night during a hot and heavy sex session she comments it’ll never happen. Would love to PM with you on some of your invites but this is not about me right now.

As an observer (wishing I could truly observe) of your situation I’m thinking you should subtly mention to Mr.B that your wife seemed disappointed that he wasn’t coming alone and put it out there that it was curious to you that she appeared to react that way. See how he responds then maybe you can bring in the HW interest making it sound like it’s just been pillow talk and you both are not as far down the path as you in reality are.

If the conversation expands you could talk about risk vs reward.
He likes a sure thing Ms.R but the risk with SW is greater and so is the reward. He is working with you on starting a new business. Does he expect a sure thing there? Lot of risk there but a lot of reward I’m sure as well.

Anyway
I’ve been with my wife 34 years married for 26. Been working on her in one manner or another almost that entire time. I still feel like a novice but stories like yours make me hopeful. I’ll be following like everyone else with baited breath.

Sincerely good luck to you and SW on making this a reality. I’ll be rooting for you.

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