wife interested in other guy

[Chrislydi]

It's this OHW site not the dictionary that divides cuckolding into different sub categories, it's just customised to suit and break it down into more easily separated sections

There are salutary lessons on both forums, the hotwifing forum has its own failures when things like honesty and trust break down or are just not there in the first place. The same lessons and the same good practice have to be followed.

There are recent examples in the hotwife forum where it started without total honesty and when the truth became apparent it all went south very quickly indeed, the fact it was posted elsewhere didn't help.

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Honesty and trust in each other with good communication are key, you can change forums but not the rules.

[proudhusb217]

We decided that we agree to only the things that we BOTH want. We went through every possible scenario that he could propose and came up with what would be acceptable. She promised me she has no idea what he wants and hasn't been that worried about it knowing we don't need to do anything we didn't want.

This is great... bravo! With this attitude, I don't see anything wrong with a little intercourse denial play. It would be a limited time thing, and maybe you'd enjoy the experience.

If you're playing that way in the future, why not let your wife "cheat" on Conor with you if the urge arises? She'd probably find that naughty and hot.

[Bi+Gigh]

Ok people, strap in. This could get long.
First, though, thanks to everyone for caring enough to offer your advice and insights. I appreciate it. And please don’t stop.
So first of all, Conor came to our place early this afternoon. There didn’t seem to be any real urgency to get the conversation started and we ended up going out to lunch first. Not what I had planned but, as usual, it’s what Conor wanted.
When we finally got back and I asked if we could talk, we got started. My first statement/question to Conor was that I needed to know if his plans were to get G for himself. I told him I needed nothing but honesty if we had any chance of getting through this. He honestly looked at me as if I was an alien.
He said G knew some of what he was about to explain but not everything. He is not from this city but coming out of school he had the opportunity to work at the company he’s now with (with G and a great company) but they only had an opening here. He accepted the job on the condition that at the first opportunity they would move him back to his home city to work there with them. He went on to explain that he has twin brothers who just turned 21. One has a serious health issue that will require constant family support to the point that Conor will eventually be responsible for him (parents are older). The other has the same issue but not as serious and they think he could live independently. Bottom line, he needs to work in his hometown.
He then said when things were just warming up with G he thought he had no shot with her other than some masturbatory fantasies. They started talking, G said she’s in an open marriage, and neither one of us believed in monogamy and that I would be supportive of sexual activity outside the marriage. He said he wasn’t looking for a long term committed relationship knowing he wouldn’t be here for hopefully very long, G was “fucking gorgeous,” how could he turn down this chance?
Finally, he looked at G and said hope this doesn’t upset you, but if I’m getting into a long term committed relationship, it has to be with someone who believes in monogamy. “As we all know, I’m not good with sharing my woman.” G had no issue with that.
He said he had no intention of breaking up a marriage. He offered to leave and not come back if I thought he was that much of a threat or that was his intention. He said he knew he could be a dominant asshole, “been that way my whole life,” but respected me enough that he would never try to steal my wife. I admitted that, as a bi submissive guy, I’m ok with him being kinda dominant. He just smiled and said “alright.” I asked what he wanted to see happen in our arrangement.
He wants to cut me off from penetrative sex. G and I had talked about that and in all honesty, I’m comfortable with it. Since Conor started fucking G, my performance has gotten worse. It’s actually a relief that I don’t have to perform.
He doesn’t want me near her pussy, including oral. I said that both G and I enjoy that so we couldn’t agree to that. He didn’t like that answer, at all. He didn’t want G giving me blow jobs. I wasn’t getting many of those anymore anyway so that was fine. Any other kind of sexual intimacy was fair game.
I said I wanted to be allowed to watch occasionally, maybe participate a little (clean up, cream pies, all the stuff I’ve learned reading the stories on here). He said a few times he’s not gay, blah, blah, lol but agreed in the end. I also said I wanted an occasional opportunity to give him a bj with G watching. He asked me how good the bj’s are, and G said there’s no time like the present to find out and he needed to pay up on the challenge. To save this mostly straight forum from the details of me going down on him, one reaction was “holy fuck, does G have to be here every time.” He said it was the best bj he’s ever had and admitted that a college lacrosse teammate gave him a few bj’s “but not like that.” As an aside, I do give good ones.
Watching me give him a bj got G pretty hot and they were getting into so I got up to leave. He told me I could stay buy I wasn’t ready for that. So they’re going at it right now. I guess he got most of what he wanted except for me still eating her pussy. I don’t think this will be the last time we talk about that.
If anything else develops, I’ll let you know.

[Bi+Gigh]

We decided that we agree to only the things that we BOTH want. We went through every possible scenario that he could propose and came up with what would be acceptable. She promised me she has no idea what he wants and hasn't been that worried about it knowing we don't need to do anything we didn't want.

This is great... bravo! With this attitude, I don't see anything wrong with a little intercourse denial play. It would be a limited time thing, and maybe you'd enjoy the experience.

If you're playing that way in the future, why not let your wife "cheat" on Conor with you if the urge arises? She'd probably find that naughty and hot.

With Conor not threatening to take my wife away, and him being here temporarily, I'd be willing to try different things with hin or them. And she's pretty open to anything with Conor.

[FNQLivin]

A post or two ago you got defensive when I suggested he wanted exclusivity with your wife. Well, he got exactly that, bar you being allowed to give her oral. I’d tell him to go eff off. If she wants it, then it’s her body, but I don’t see why he gets a say. And she can’t give you a BJ? What about a hj?

And feelings change.

I don’t get good vibes from this.

He said he doesn’t want a long term committed relationship unless it’s monogamous. Well he’s about 90% of the way there.

[Bi+Gigh]

A post or two ago you got defensive when I suggested he wanted exclusivity with your wife. Well, he got exactly that, bar you being allowed to give her oral. I’d tell him to go eff off. If she wants it, then it’s her body, but I don’t see why he gets a say. And she can’t give you a BJ? What about a hj?

And feelings change.

I don’t get good vibes from this.

He said he doesn’t want a long term committed relationship unless it’s monogamous. Well he’s about 90% of the way there.

Sorry if I got defensive. I didn't want to come off that way.
She can give me hand jobs and we can masturbate together and I have access to most of her body. I did have to laugh about he's about 90% of the way to a monogamous relationship. I'll always welcome your insights but I don't agree with that.

[Pecannut]

So great to hear that you had an excellent chat. Looking forward to hearing how things with you process.

[FNQLivin]

A post or two ago you got defensive when I suggested he wanted exclusivity with your wife. Well, he got exactly that, bar you being allowed to give her oral. I’d tell him to go eff off. If she wants it, then it’s her body, but I don’t see why he gets a say. And she can’t give you a BJ? What about a hj?

And feelings change.

I don’t get good vibes from this.

He said he doesn’t want a long term committed relationship unless it’s monogamous. Well he’s about 90% of the way there.

Sorry if I got defensive. I didn't want to come off that way.
She can give me hand jobs and we can masturbate together and I have access to most of her body. I did have to laugh about he's about 90% of the way to a monogamous relationship. I'll always welcome your insights but I don't agree with that.

A common definition of monogamy is: 'Having a sexual relationship with only one partner at a time'

Given that PIV and Oral are now denied to you and he initially asked for her to deny you Oral on her, then she's not far off of being monogamous.

Don't get me wrong. Denial play is extremely hot and ordinarily I'd be really excited and happy for you. What concerns me (and I suspect a few others here) is that he is the one driving the story and not you and your wife. If you and your wife thought that denial was sexy af and you'd agreed to offer that to him to enhance your submission, then that's great.

As for him not wanting to break your marriage up, feelings change. It's not unusual that if you are with someone, have regular sex with them, spend time away, enjoy life, that you may want to take the next step.

This isn't a criticism of you or your wife, just a point of concern.

As for his demands, then I just find them ridiculous, unless you and your wife are totally onboard. And by 'onboard' I mean without her feeling that she has to acquiesce to his demands to be able to continue to see him. By your account, she's drop dead gorgeous, so he should consider this a privilege and not a right.

In a nutshell, what do you want? Do you want to be denied having PIV sex with your wife? Do you want to not be able to have a loving BJ from her (even if it was only occasionally). Do you want to feel that someone else is dictating the terms of the sexual relationship you have with your wife?

[Marinecuckplease]

Updates sound great. In honesty though it sounds as if though you both kinda want sexual connection still. You may want to address this with g. Comprimise with conner. Once a month is not it alot to ask for. It will only help keep your marriage close. Even if you get off in 15 seconds i think piv is really important. Maybe not for you but the physical closness is really going to be intimate exspecilly if your being denied. You can still talk to g after you talked to conner. You can change your mind at any point and maybe make sure g know s this as well. But it sounds like a good situation. But remember the 2 of you come first. And conner is just to supplement your relationship. Make sure it doesnt wither away intentional or accidental it is common enough to keep vigilant

[Chrislydi]

The positives are he has commitments in his home town therefore for now there seems to be a finite limit on staying here.

Solutions to this for him are easy to find, his parents, although elderly, could be able to cope for some years yet OR both your wife and he could move to his hometown or his brother move in with them over here, so in reality this isn't really an obstacle to them staying together if circumstances meant they became committed.

He has allowed you some restricted access to oral for now, but you could see his heart wasn't in that and his intentions denial.

He's allowed you clean up and watching and it looks as though he really enjoyed your bj so they're positives especially you having your bi side satisfied.

The negatives have been clearly put by FNQLivin. and don't need repeating.

It didn't look much like you and g dictated terms or really had much of an influence on setting the agenda, he drove it and made some concessions to you and your wife. It's not a total win for him but a far more conclusive one than I thought he might go for, with cutting you off straight away and making clear his preferences about other sexual access to her.

You are however ok with him deciding you have no PIV with your own wife, but it's the oral access, and him saying he thought g was familiar with where he wanted to take this beforehand that's so concerning, something she was highly ambivalent about, if not misleading, with her 'no idea about his intentions or what he'll want' (with potential brother committments and his intentions).

I hope you enjoy the ride while remaining very watchful of him as there's still no definite red lines established, and he did spell out what he ideally would have liked right now. There is no real time limit on their relationship or creeping monogamy he may seek.

[gordon921]

Hi Bi,

Not going to repeat what others have said. I do have some questions/observations.

1. G has been denied most ways of being intimate with you, she tried to initiate PIV this last weekend when it was agreed you two should abstain, so is she 100% on board? How does she feel about someone dictating that she cannot be intimate with her husband?

One way the two of you could be intimate is “G dry humping you” as far as I can see this does not break any of the rules.

2. Now that he has set out his stall and there has been time for it to sink in, you and G need to have a heart to heart talk on where this is going, are the two of you happy with the situation and will it harm your marriage.

3. I think you should have this talk with G weekly, protecting your relationship and marriage is top priority especially as he will disappear, potentially after he has already damaged your relationship, marriage with G. He may not realise the damage he could do with his demands, that is up to the two of you agreeing your red lines and sticking to them.

4. I think you should have put a time frame, i.e. okay for one month then we sit down again.

At the end of the day if you and G are happy with the arrangement then good for you.

Being in an open marriage in this situation, it is up to you and G to work as a team (more than I think you are doing now) and be totally honest and open with each other and back each other up.

Please continue posting as I think it will be a healthy process for you to put your thoughts etc down on ‘paper’ and the opportunity for others to highlight any concerns.

Regards

[Chrislydi]

I think this is all coming across as just too negative and really what's initially proposed isn't that at all.

Some drawing back from worst scenarios has to take place for any proper perspective. There will be intimate contact and mutual masturbation, there aren't any limits on most activities between a man and a woman except PIV, something Bi+Gigh has said they were recently finding less than satisfactory anyway.

I suppose it's more the transfer of power and control to someone outside their marriage, for him to impose, albeit with no objections, rather than totally voluntary denial agreed between the married couple. It's psychological and difficult to gain back what's lost while he's there.

This is far from the doom and gloom it could be but it's just sensible to not trust him and keep being watchful

Chris.

[mundyman]

Ok people, strap in. This could get long.
First, though, thanks to everyone for caring enough to offer your advice and insights. I appreciate it. And please don’t stop.
So first of all, Conor came to our place early this afternoon. There didn’t seem to be any real urgency to get the conversation started and we ended up going out to lunch first. Not what I had planned but, as usual, it’s what Conor wanted.
When we finally got back and I asked if we could talk, we got started. My first statement/question to Conor was that I needed to know if his plans were to get G for himself. I told him I needed nothing but honesty if we had any chance of getting through this. He honestly looked at me as if I was an alien.
He said G knew some of what he was about to explain but not everything. He is not from this city but coming out of school he had the opportunity to work at the company he’s now with (with G and a great company) but they only had an opening here. He accepted the job on the condition that at the first opportunity they would move him back to his home city to work there with them. He went on to explain that he has twin brothers who just turned 21. One has a serious health issue that will require constant family support to the point that Conor will eventually be responsible for him (parents are older). The other has the same issue but not as serious and they think he could live independently. Bottom line, he needs to work in his hometown.
He then said when things were just warming up with G he thought he had no shot with her other than some masturbatory fantasies. They started talking, G said she’s in an open marriage, and neither one of us believed in monogamy and that I would be supportive of sexual activity outside the marriage. He said he wasn’t looking for a long term committed relationship knowing he wouldn’t be here for hopefully very long, G was “fucking gorgeous,” how could he turn down this chance?
Finally, he looked at G and said hope this doesn’t upset you, but if I’m getting into a long term committed relationship, it has to be with someone who believes in monogamy. “As we all know, I’m not good with sharing my woman.” G had no issue with that.
He said he had no intention of breaking up a marriage. He offered to leave and not come back if I thought he was that much of a threat or that was his intention. He said he knew he could be a dominant asshole, “been that way my whole life,” but respected me enough that he would never try to steal my wife. I admitted that, as a bi submissive guy, I’m ok with him being kinda dominant. He just smiled and said “alright.” I asked what he wanted to see happen in our arrangement.
He wants to cut me off from penetrative sex. G and I had talked about that and in all honesty, I’m comfortable with it. Since Conor started fucking G, my performance has gotten worse. It’s actually a relief that I don’t have to perform.
He doesn’t want me near her pussy, including oral. I said that both G and I enjoy that so we couldn’t agree to that. He didn’t like that answer, at all. He didn’t want G giving me blow jobs. I wasn’t getting many of those anymore anyway so that was fine. Any other kind of sexual intimacy was fair game.
I said I wanted to be allowed to watch occasionally, maybe participate a little (clean up, cream pies, all the stuff I’ve learned reading the stories on here). He said a few times he’s not gay, blah, blah, lol but agreed in the end. I also said I wanted an occasional opportunity to give him a bj with G watching. He asked me how good the bj’s are, and G said there’s no time like the present to find out and he needed to pay up on the challenge. To save this mostly straight forum from the details of me going down on him, one reaction was “holy fuck, does G have to be here every time.” He said it was the best bj he’s ever had and admitted that a college lacrosse teammate gave him a few bj’s “but not like that.” As an aside, I do give good ones.
Watching me give him a bj got G pretty hot and they were getting into so I got up to leave. He told me I could stay buy I wasn’t ready for that. So they’re going at it right now. I guess he got most of what he wanted except for me still eating her pussy. I don’t think this will be the last time we talk about that.
If anything else develops, I’ll let you know.

Thanks for the update.
As the saying goes, “The proof is in the pudding.”
The next couple of weeks will show Conor’s true intentions, and your wife’s.
Have you and your wife set any boundaries or rules for this relationship?
Or are you going to let it ride and continue to develop naturally and organically?
His words, and your wife’s, sound encouraging, but I would still be careful.
As a former President used to say, “Trust but verify.”
Good luck and I look forward to your continued updates.

[Christinebitg]

<< The next couple of weeks will show Conor’s true intentions, and your wife’s.>>

I agree with this.

Based on your comments, Bi+Gigh, I am sticking to my prediction that Conor is bad news.

He says he doesnt want to break up your marriage. But what I anticipate is that he'll try to do it. In other words, I don't believe him.

Maybe not right away. But he says he wants your wife to be monogamous (faithful) with him. He's said that he can be an @sshole. I have usually found that when people tell you something like that about themselves, it is best to believe them. On some level, he is _proud_ of being an @sshole.

Right now, I think your wife's intentions are still good. I hope that she stays that way, and I think there's a very good chance it could happen.

[Bi+Gigh]

So I did get to play with them last night. Other than jerking off the only thing I did was clean him up afterwards. I’m in a weird place right now. I’m happy with giving him blow jobs but the clean up didn’t do much for me. And I don’t think the whole watching them is for me, either.
But there is something I wouldn’t mind a little insight on and it was FNQKivin who made this comment:
“If you and your wife thought that denial was sexy af and you'd agreed to offer that to him to enhance your submission, then that's great.”
I think the key phrase there is me enhancing my submission to him. After watching him with my wife last night, I have to admit that. There is something sexual for me or erotic in me deferring to him or outwardly recognizing him as the alpha. It’s almost as if I’d go to him and say Conor, if you don’t want me going down on G, I’ll stop. And I don’t know why I’m feeling like this. Obviously I’m bi, he’s hot and all that, but why do I want him to dominate me? Any help would be appreciated.

[mundyman]

So I did get to play with them last night. Other than jerking off the only thing I did was clean him up afterwards. I’m in a weird place right now. I’m happy with giving him blow jobs but the clean up didn’t do much for me. And I don’t think the whole watching them is for me, either.
But there is something I wouldn’t mind a little insight on and it was FNQKivin who made this comment:
“If you and your wife thought that denial was sexy af and you'd agreed to offer that to him to enhance your submission, then that's great.”
I think the key phrase there is me enhancing my submission to him. After watching him with my wife last night, I have to admit that. There is something sexual for me or erotic in me deferring to him or outwardly recognizing him as the alpha. It’s almost as if I’d go to him and say Conor, if you don’t want me going down on G, I’ll stop. And I don’t know why I’m feeling like this. Obviously I’m bi, he’s hot and all that, but why do I want him to dominate me? Any help would be appreciated.

It sounds like your NRE and excitement with this new relationship is at least as high as your wife’s!!!
Enjoy the ride.
It should be N interesting summer.
Does he make her dress in certain ways or otherwise change her appearance for him?

[Christinebitg]

<< And I don’t know why I’m feeling like this. Obviously I’m bi, he’s hot and all that, but why do I want him to dominate me? Any help would be appreciated. >>

This is not accidental. He is a very practiced manipulator. He intentionally has maneuvered you toward that head space, as a way of taking your wife from you.

He enjoys the game. And it IS a game in a psychological sense, because the payoff for him is being hidden from your view. That he may (or may not) move out of town, but that he will ask your wife to move there with him if/when that happens.

Don't get me wrong. If that happened here at our house, I would agree to it instantly. It's one of my biggest fantasies for her to move in with a guy she has fallen in love with. It became a huge fantasy for me the instant that she told me it could happen, many years ago.

[Lucky Dog]

So I did get to play with them last night. Other than jerking off the only thing I did was clean him up afterwards. I’m in a weird place right now. I’m happy with giving him blow jobs but the clean up didn’t do much for me. And I don’t think the whole watching them is for me, either.
But there is something I wouldn’t mind a little insight on and it was FNQKivin who made this comment:
“If you and your wife thought that denial was sexy af and you'd agreed to offer that to him to enhance your submission, then that's great.”
I think the key phrase there is me enhancing my submission to him. After watching him with my wife last night, I have to admit that. There is something sexual for me or erotic in me deferring to him or outwardly recognizing him as the alpha. It’s almost as if I’d go to him and say Conor, if you don’t want me going down on G, I’ll stop. And I don’t know why I’m feeling like this. Obviously I’m bi, he’s hot and all that, but why do I want him to dominate me? Any help would be appreciated.

Hi Bi+, I know you've received a wide range of comments about whether or not what's going on with Connor is good. I have similar interests to yours, and while my wife and I haven't yet found the right man to do this with, I'd like to share why a situation like yours would be very hot for me.

Much of my excitement during cuckold play comes from seeing my wife get so excited and cum so much. I think most of us share that part of it. But the other part for me is feeling that she wants to make me submissive so she can have the man she desires. Seeing that she desires the bull so much that she will humiliate me to please him is an incredible turn on. I'm also bi to some degree and don't play separately with men. But in a situation like this with a really hot man, I begin to fantasize that my wife wants to give herself only to her lover and they want me to be submissive to him as well as her, and she's free to have whatever she wants. I fantasize about only being allowed to cum when he is using me and knowing he is making me more submissive so my wife won't desire such a weak and submissive man, while seeing her lover as more of a man and much sexier. I love feeling the excitement from being controlled in this way.

It's incredibly hot to me, and I think it has more to do with my being submissive than being bi. "My wife will only allow me to have pleasure from serving her lover, so she doesn't see me as a real man any more." Even thinking about that is hot, but the one big caveat for me is that I'd never want anything to interfere with the love my wife and I have for each other. I'd always need to be included in some form of physical intimacy and stil be a real part of things, even though in a different sexual role than most husbands have.

The fear, of course, is that after a while your wife will want Connor so much she will love you less and your relationship would be damaged. I'm finally at the stage in our relationship where I don't worry about that happening.

I don't think it's wrong if your wife wants to give her body only to Connor if she knows you're also excited by and want this. But for this to work out well, you and she must be on the same page knowing you both get something exciting and good from what you're doing with Connor. And both of you have to feel you love and trust the other.

[Chrislydi]

I find myself agreeing with Christinebitg a lot these days, there's definitely a strong pull even an eroticism for many natural submissives to not only recognise the true alpha but want to show it outwardly too, to give him his dues as it were and almost a deference to his presence in your lives.

There are obvious undercurrents to be aware of as Christinebitg points out, and most others have referenced, be watchful but there's no reason why you can't enjoy that power transfer too. As lucky dog says for some submissives these feelings can be extremely intense and very enjoyable.

Chris

[Bi+Gigh]

So I did get to play with them last night. Other than jerking off the only thing I did was clean him up afterwards. I’m in a weird place right now. I’m happy with giving him blow jobs but the clean up didn’t do much for me. And I don’t think the whole watching them is for me, either.
But there is something I wouldn’t mind a little insight on and it was FNQKivin who made this comment:
“If you and your wife thought that denial was sexy af and you'd agreed to offer that to him to enhance your submission, then that's great.”
I think the key phrase there is me enhancing my submission to him. After watching him with my wife last night, I have to admit that. There is something sexual for me or erotic in me deferring to him or outwardly recognizing him as the alpha. It’s almost as if I’d go to him and say Conor, if you don’t want me going down on G, I’ll stop. And I don’t know why I’m feeling like this. Obviously I’m bi, he’s hot and all that, but why do I want him to dominate me? Any help would be appreciated.

It sounds like your NRE and excitement with this new relationship is at least as high as your wife’s!!!
Enjoy the ride.
It should be N interesting summer.
Does he make her dress in certain ways or otherwise change her appearance for him?

I agree this going to be an interesting summer, mundyman. And hopefully, a good one.
And the only change I noticed is the landing strip she shaved her pubes into. He said he didn't need the extra dental floss. She did ask me if I cared if she shaved it.

[Lucky Dog]

...
I agree this going to be an interesting summer, mundyman. And hopefully, a good one.
And the only change I noticed is the landing strip she shaved her pubes into. He said he didn't need the extra dental floss. She did ask me if I cared if she shaved it.

LOL that's funny!

[Bi+Gigh]

Wow, this feedback is awesome. I've been afraid to admit my feelings but what you all have said makes me feel so much better. I thought I'd get a lot of "don't go there's" but it's all been constructive and I appreciate it. I've been honest with G and she said she completely gets my feelings. She also said we need to be careful we don't turn this into a runaway train. Conor is still here but G and I will have a couple of days coming up where its just the 2 of us and we'll talk about the things you all have suggested. I'm feeling if we do this right, this could really be erotic.

[Lucky Dog]

Wow, this feedback is awesome. I've been afraid to admit my feelings but what you all have said makes me feel so much better. I thought I'd get a lot of "don't go there's" but it's all been constructive and I appreciate it. I've been honest with G and she said she completely gets my feelings. She also said we need to be careful we don't turn this into a runaway train. Conor is still here but G and I will have a couple of days coming up where its just the 2 of us and we'll talk about the things you all have suggested. I'm feeling if we do this right, this could really be erotic.

Yes, now you're on the right track. If she enjoys your becoming more submissive and you enjoy seeing her taken (temporarily) from you, and you both keep talking with one another this way, you may wind up feeling bad when Connor has to go away.

[Brute]

I reread the tread and wow. In less than month it went from you gave a hall pass if she wants to have fun with the guy, to denial, with a vacation holiday leaving you at home. I worry about a runaway train also.

If you have written a halfway decent description of Conor, I am confident he is sociopath. Here is my prediction of what is going to happen: Conor will continue to put you in more sub position, he will separate you and g, and once he gets tired of g, will dump her.

The two of you don’t have to go non-contact with him to prevent that from happening, but that would be the safest thing to do. You guys can still have a lot of fun with Conor and keep your marriage if you realize the danger, keep communication at a high level, and always put each other first; nothing happens that you are not both OK with.

In time Conor will get bored with the two of you and move on, when that happens I want the two of you to still be happy married couple.

[proudhusb217]

Sounds like you and your wife are in a good place, and you both agree to prioritize your marriage above all. In that context, I think some denial play & submission to the boyfriend sounds fun. I'd do it myself.

I do suggest that if you and G are having a great moment alone sometime and want to have sex, just do it. You're married, after all. Conor doesn't have to know. He'll get to think she's exclusive to him. And you and G can enjoy a "sneaky" fuck.