From Norway with love

[Chrislydi]

Well, L basically has no choice. He either "enjoys" the denial, or she is out the door.
For all the talk about triangles I can see only a circle for N and Lars with L as an insignificant dot off to the side: sometimes an amusing diversion, but no real connection to the couple.

I'm often conscious of what we read on this site on a day to day basis, so for me there will be lots of examples, both real and purposely fictional of both hotwifing and cuckolding, You could add other categories such as polyamory and BDSM relationships, infact the polyamory site real life stories are possibly more similar to this story.

I myself only really read the cuckolding or hot wife stories and this is more what I'm driving at, my mind is more conditioned to looking through, let's say, the prism of a cuckold or hot wife relationship. I therefore have a tendency to identify someone as a cuckold where this might not be correct and he's more of a passive but very much active and contributing partner, even if not the dominant. I'm not used to these triangular relationships in a way that someone more versed in polyamory might be, and so I can be liable to. jump to inappropriate conclusions.

Chris.

[aaardvarky]

Chris, an aspect of this site is that contributors bring their experience, their imagination, or both. An outsider with no aspiration or experience might have thought that they were visiting Mars - they would not understand the motivation for these lifestyles. That does not invalidate them for anyone other than the critical, unaccepting, closed-minded observer.

I sense that L is actually a more dominant force than we might expect. We know that N returns, and clearly not simply for routine or enhanced living. Every kite needs someone on the end of the string. Here we think we see N fly, swoop and dive as if with total autonomy, or do we? In the next story (yet to be told) we may get to understand cause and effect, even when they are not visible to the reader's naked eye. For my part, I am so pleased you have stuck with their story to date. I will dedicate the next episode to you!

[Chrislydi]

Chris, an aspect of this site is that contributors bring their experience, their imagination, or both. An outsider with no aspiration or experience might have thought that they were visiting Mars - they would not understand the motivation for these lifestyles. That does not invalidate them for anyone other than the critical, unaccepting, closed-minded observer.

I sense that L is actually a more dominant force than we might expect. We know that N returns, and clearly not simply for routine or enhanced living. Every kite needs someone on the end of the string. Here we think we see N fly, swoop and dive as if with total autonomy, or do we? In the next story (yet to be told) we may get to understand cause and effect, even when they are not visible to the reader's naked eye. For my part, I am so pleased you have stuck with their story to date. I will dedicate the next episode to you!

I'm absolutely taken aback by such generous words, although BDJ at least merits a share in the honour. His posts are literary works of note in themselves, the poet laureate of OHW deserves recognition.

Chris

[veub]

From the first posting:

"Perhaps it was a simple step to rationalise something we already accepted as ‘our normal’. It was couched as a ‘would you mind if’, rather than permission-seeking, presented as a done-deal rather than an issue for discussion; and without a thought I simply agreed.

My issue is that, throughout the story, everything has been presented as "a done-deal". Whether L wants this or not is immaterial to me. All plans are made and decided by Lars and N prior to him being consulted at all. To me that isn't a triangular relationship at all. It's a relationship between Lars and N with L being the outsider - informed about the results (sometimes,) but not part of the planning.

Again, it doesn't matter if L wants this or not: he is simply not part of the primary relationship and the triangle analogy is in appropriate.

[Chrislydi]

I'm with you veub but I do recognise my shortcomings in that I don't truly understand such a dynamic that's meant to be operating. Aaardvarsky has posted that following the next chapter we may see L in a different light, as having far more of an influence and control over events. I'm waiting to be educated.

Chris.

[subtoall]

From the first posting:

"Perhaps it was a simple step to rationalise something we already accepted as ‘our normal’. It was couched as a ‘would you mind if’, rather than permission-seeking, presented as a done-deal rather than an issue for discussion; and without a thought I simply agreed.

My issue is that, throughout the story, everything has been presented as "a done-deal". Whether L wants this or not is immaterial to me. All plans are made and decided by Lars and N prior to him being consulted at all.

But maybe that's exactly how L likes it; the thrill of the unknown, with others in control.

It can be quite exciting, and takes an inordinate amount of trust.

[Chrislydi]

From the first posting:

"Perhaps it was a simple step to rationalise something we already accepted as ‘our normal’. It was couched as a ‘would you mind if’, rather than permission-seeking, presented as a done-deal rather than an issue for discussion; and without a thought I simply agreed.

My issue is that, throughout the story, everything has been presented as "a done-deal". Whether L wants this or not is immaterial to me. All plans are made and decided by Lars and N prior to him being consulted at all.

But maybe that's exactly how L likes it; the thrill of the unknown, with others in control.

It can be quite exciting, and takes an inordinate amount of trust.

And yet again what we think is L letting others control the direction of travel might be absolutely NOT the case and not happening anyway.

As Aaardvarsky posted

I sense that L is actually a more dominant force than we might expect. We know that N returns, and clearly not simply for routine or enhanced living. Every kite needs someone on the end of the string. Here we think we see N fly, swoop and dive as if with total autonomy, or do we? In the next story (yet to be told) we may get to understand cause and effect, even when they are not visible to the reader's naked eye.

Now I know dominant here doesn't mean dominant as in domming someone but in having a measure of control and not standing by while others make all the decisions. It's quite different to how some may see things now

Chris

[aaardvarky]

For my part, I don't see L as a side-character, let alone a victim of N's actions and propensities. Yes, he accepted a deal it seems right at the outset of the relationship. N was to remain in touch, familiar and eventually more intimate with Lars; but L condoned it - and following Lars' visit to London, embraced it. He discovered/recognised a latent desire that was fulfilled by N. Without L's role, N and Lars would just be another couple, perhaps living together or maintaining a distant romance. L's presence is the fulcrum on which the whole interaction appears to work. That said, N does appear to be a bit of a handful. She loves what she wants, and wants what she gets. I would ask - who gets the best deal? I suppose the answer to that depends on where one stands!

[Chrislydi]

For my part, I don't see L as a side-character, let alone a victim of N's actions and propensities. Yes, he accepted a deal it seems right at the outset of the relationship. N was to remain in touch, familiar and eventually more intimate with Lars; but L condoned it - and following Lars' visit to London, embraced it. He discovered/recognised a latent desire that was fulfilled by N. Without L's role, N and Lars would just be another couple, perhaps living together or maintaining a distant romance. L's presence is the fulcrum on which the whole interaction appears to work. That said, N does appear to be a bit of a handful. She loves what she wants, and wants what she gets. I would ask - who gets the best deal? I suppose the answer to that depends on where one stands!

Isn't that more or less the description of a cuckold, and I don't mean one who craves excessive humiliation per se, but one who thrives on seeing his wife experience heights with another man that he simply can't give her, one who gets aroused by the idea of denial and sharing his wife's body and time with a more dominant man?

I know there may be slight nuances in how you interpret an action or even a lifestyle, but I'm struggling to see any major differences that would mean this definitely sits outside of that. The hotwife/cuckold spectrum of relationship types is very broad and It appears this ticks most boxes.

Chris

[aaardvarky]

Chris, I sense that you, BDJ & Subtoall totally understand what makes this relationship work, even if it doesn't make it more predictable. Perhaps, in response to Veub it might be helpful to provide a little more insight, as I see it, to their interaction.

1. N and L appear to have had a relationship that spans years. It seems that they might have met just after university when N returned from, or Lars returned to Norway. Their relationship appears to have been grounded more recently on quiet intimacy rather than hedonistic pleasure.
2. I sense that there may be a difference in age between N and L, don't you? Judging by their responses to each other, N seems somewhat younger than L, although the story does not make it clear by how many years. It seems highly probable that N and Lars are of a similar age.
3. L knew about N & Lars' previous romantic and intimate relationship. They continued to meet with his blessing, although he was not involved in their encounters until Lars' visit. L was aware of their increasing intimacy but did not object or protest.
4. N's invitation for Lars to visit their home does not appear to have been discussed by N and L in any depth, but that L seems to have assimilated it suggests that the idea behind did not shock L. N presents as being highly intuitive. Perhaps it also speaks to N's innate understanding of L that she presented and enacted it in the way she did?
5. 'The dress' was never a random garment - it was pre-invested by N & L with shared erotic implication. It was allowed to take centre stage in N's pursuit and L's denial of pleasure.
6. Following her return from Norway, L foresaw a further adventure for N, with the dress - from which, by choice and desire, he would be excluded. N understands L and appears to have had no doubt that the Algarve trip would be agreed, if not relished by him.
7. In pursuit of their respective pleasure/pain, both N & L have taken their adventure and its risks to higher and greater levels. It is as if they are intoxicated by risk.
8. Each of them are players with different roles; and it is the synergy of their chosen roles that makes the three-way relationship survive and flourish.

Now, you are forewarned that another exploit is planned. The elements of their next adventure are not random. Each tiny part is for a purpose. It is not by chance that they seek to dance Argentine tango, or that the visit is to Buenos Aires. But who will go...two or three?

[veub]

It's your story and I am sure you know what you want them to be.
But, from what you have written, Lars and N are the couple, the primary relationship. It has nothing to do with dominance or submission: it has nothing to do with L's desires. It's simply that N and Lars plan and design their lives together and L is just along for the ride.
Maybe you'll change the dynamic in the future, but I can only comment on what you have written to date.

[aaardvarky]

Veub, are you enjoying the story anyway?

[Chrislydi]

.

Now, you are forewarned that another exploit is planned. The elements of their next adventure are not random. Each tiny part is for a purpose. It is not by chance that they seek to dance Argentine tango, or that the visit is to Buenos Aires. But who will go...two or three?

I had to reread my previous post...

'As for Argentina, I'm left guessing as there are no real definites, maybe denial will once again play a large part with Lars and N flying off to Buenos Aires alone, while N has his letters, emails and ephemeral visions to deliciously arouse and excite, who knows? - probably N knows exactly what would suit and Lars will definitely be up for it in more ways than one.'

So my real guess is just N and Lars go, but I've couched it in 'maybe's' and 'who knows?' just so I can claim to have thought all along that all three would go. I'm like the sports pundit who always sits on the fence never coming down for one side or the other.

Chris

[aaardvarky]

1.

INTRODUCTION

To appreciate this story -yet to be told - you may first need to know some detail. First, about Buenos Aires. It is not just a capital city in South America, one that you may never have travelled to, nor desired to visit. Buenos Aires is a vibrant, European-style city with wonderful architecture, culture, sunshine, cafes, beautiful people - and, of course, tango.

In the 1900s, when early immigrants arrived in Argentina, they disembarked into the city port of La Boca, bringing with them their Spanish, Italian, African, English and German heritage. Whilst predominantly under Spanish rule in the 19th century, the Argentine became a multicultural melting pot, with its own language - Castellano: a mixture of Spanish and Italian. The Spanish brought a degree of governance, albeit by the sword, not the page; the English brought investment, afternoon tea and industry; the Germans - quirky architecture, the strange musical bandoneon, and later their war criminals; and the Italians brought their innocence, charm, beauty and romance.

Buenos Aires, and on the facing bank of the Plata estuary its Uruguayan sister capital Montevideo, were the birthplace of tango - Argentine tango. Due to the demographic imbalance, for the first year men learned together before they were awarded the chance to dance with a woman. Competition for females amongst the economic immigrant male population was fierce. Women were a prize. A dagger may be drawn in a darkened passage. Tango songs were filled with melancholy.

The perceptive reader may now understand why Buenos Aires was a perfect, and inevitable choice for L, N and Lars. And may guess why Argentine tango holds such complex mystery.

L leans in towards N and again their lips meet. The prospect of a trip to Argentina appears to have reinvigorated him. He smiles darkly, desiring to take her again. In his mind he pictures a bohemian bario, N walking hand-in-hand with Lars, sunshine catching her hair and himself waiting for them at a cafe.

‘You will come, won’t you, darling?’ she inquires. ‘But of course’, he replies without hesitation, ‘I wouldn’t miss it for the world’.

[Chrislydi]

I always think of Argentina in general as having more of an Italian influence, although admittedly I knew of the Spanish colonial history and some anglophile attitudes and customs prevelant also point to other cultural influences. Tbh I was oblivious to any German heritage but then it's hardly surprising as I've not seen much of Buenos Aires itself, either in real life or on television. I'm not really even quite sure what distinguishes German architecture from other influences, and stereotypically think of the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin. A very useful prelude to the next part even if I can't pretend to have thought all three would go.

Chris

[veub]

Not trying to be nitpicky but it's Castellano - and just means the official Spanish language.

[aaardvarky]

Veub - thank you for the spelling correction. But having lived in Buenos Aires for 3 years I can say that Castellano differs wildly from European Spanish. Perhaps here is not the place to debate it. And, by the way, what is your answer to my question?

[BDJ]

Aaardvarky,

I feel I have finally failed. I can make no meaningful contribution to this discussion. All that is left to me are my approbations for the creation of such a cerebral tale. Perhaps it is time for me to just live this new chapter through L's eyes, excluding all else.

I say this because, by nature, I identify more with L (though my heart longs for N); for my particular kink has not been so much a cuckold intent on observing the "action" around a planned or impromptu tryst but toward the visceral. Holding my love tenderly as she shares the emotional journey engendered by a furtive encounter: of her describing the heady feeling of attraction, the butterflies-in the-stomach reaction to an imagined disinterest, the heady, almost lightheaded euphoria of anticipation, followed by a graphic recounting of arousal and the roll-a-coaster ride that comes with being serviced by someone new. I live that experience through her and, to me, it's almost as satisfying as performing the physical act. Perhaps that is what drives L as well. He can share, detached from the action as it were, the full panoply of emotions in seeing his beloved N acting outside of convention; continuing to explore her sensual side, surrendering her body in ever new and enticing ways to Lars. And could added excitement, enacted specifically for L, be another fleeting encounter with a stranger?

[veub]

Veub - thank you for the spelling correction. But having lived in Buenos Aires for 3 years I can say that Castellano differs wildly from European Spanish. Perhaps here is not the place to debate it. And, by the way, what is your answer to my question?

Castellano is the official language.
Rioplatense is the dialect spoken in the Buenos Aires region.

[aaardvarky]

BDJ - let's take a little time to look at this. You are so right that the real drama is between L and N. We identify with L because we desire and admire N as the fascinating centre of our universe. And she, like Mozart or Bach, plays with desire to enhance every fibre in the string of L's being. She has innate intuition formed on years of response and understanding. She tensions the string, to release it at, or following the most propitious moment. L may have been an active player previously, but at this time gains searing joy from N's freedom and indulgence, and the fact of his denial. That he is excluded adds a frisson that electrifies his moment.

You are much more perceptive than you imagine. You could perhaps script this story with a fascinating thread. Thank you for being with me, just like Chris, guiding the narrative towards resonance with real-time experience and aspiration.

[aaardvarky]

Chris - you are right to 'go with the flow'. That is precisely what I am doing in the process of writing! Sometimes, your comment triggers a response to the narrative, and on other occasions a possibility arises from seemingly nowhere, and takes the story in an unusual direction. Part of the fun is not knowing where it may lead, and in that, you are just like me! In your heart you suspected that all three would go to BsAs, but perhaps you didn't have confidence that I might agree. Have you thought on the possibility that your comment may have provoked this outcome? I have to say that your energy combines to form, inform, and direct this story. Do keep commenting (and guessing), for your conjectures may be the spark that ignites the flame.

[aaardvarky]

To my other readers - I do not ignore you. That you follow the thread is hugely reassuring for this rookie-writer. When I write, I have doubts, and the fact of your reading (and occasional comment) confirms me on the path to write more. As with any piece of writing, the style appeals more to some than to others. Those who demand the 'vernacular' may have already left the thread, for what I write it is more cerebral than functional. But 'the mind play' is more fascinating for me as a writer, and I hope you agree that it contributes another element of value to the forum.

[antidote2909]

Even if we are mostly silent, we are with you.

On behalf of the silent readers club

[OZCPL]

Could I please suggest that this be called the second book, Just helps with navigation, especially if a reader has to catch up.
Thank you

[Johng1953]

To my other readers - I do not ignore you. That you follow the thread is hugely reassuring for this rookie-writer. When I write, I have doubts, and the fact of your reading (and occasional comment) confirms me on the path to write more. As with any piece of writing, the style appeals more to some than to others. Those who demand the 'vernacular' may have already left the thread, for what I write it is more cerebral than functional. But 'the mind play' is more fascinating for me as a writer, and I hope you agree that it contributes another element of value to the forum.

What I like is to hear most about how the people involved feel and how relationships are affected and how they develop rather than blow by blow of the physical acts so what you write, for me, hits the spot. And the style of your writing too makes it so easy to read.
Thank you.