It might actually happen after years of telling me no.

[Wifesharing]

Yes she will tell you that it is nothing to worry about. She is right this is one of those overthinking things making sweet love is something that is special between you and her this should not effect that if these acts affect that I can almost promise you there was more wrong in your marriage that you didn't know about.

Sure he is bigger and can make her cum like you can't that is just the way it is it happens that toothpaste is not going back in the tube no matter what at this point. Also as mentioned he has the advantage of you being there to handle all the life things and care and feeding of a good marriage, when she is with him she can focus only on getting fucked and let all the rest of life take a back seat that is powerful. Just always remember the rest of life outside of sex is much more valuable and desired, and Sex is a important part of marriage but it is a small part of that bond.

I totally understand your fears and trust me the fears will not magically go away it the same as riding rollar coasters but we sure get back in line every time.

[Wifesharing]

Maybe at the outset of watching, you can remain dressed to avoid the comparison aspect. As you become more comfortable with watching, then you can decide if visually making the comparison works for you.

I often still have at least my underwear on I usually stroke through shorts or underwear one because it helps me last a bit longer and two well because most guys I have met don't really like another naked man in the room when they are fucking lol.

Also I think maybe mentally it might be a comparison thing, I also usually cum pretty fast when watching I have been known to cum a few times while they are fucking I really feel weird about this it I like the focus on them so it is easy to cum and hide it. It is real interesting when the guy has left and my wife is wanting me to get mine and I have tell her baby I can't i already came three times.

[william70]

Every body hates me on here when I preach honesty, but I'm too stupid to listen to them.
Here's my opinion, for what it's worth. Invite spmn to your apartment and together or only Lana and tell him everything. Tell him what your expectations are concerning everything.My guess is that he will be more than happy to continue fucking Lana and whatever amount of humiliation you want him to provide you.
If he says no thank you, You'll be getting an early start to Lana's searching for another fuck. If he says YEPEEE. You put the search off till later.
By being honest there's no trying to cover your tracks when Lana gives him a cock and bull (pun intended) story and he starts asking questions. I think it would be much worse if he thinks your trying to pull the wool over his eyes.
Be honest. Everyone is on the same page. Everybody gets what they want.

PS. Hang on too your dick buddy because over the next weeks/months/years Lana is going to take you on a journey that many can't handle. She's hooked harder than if it was heroin.
Good luck!

[phoenix2020]

It's more of my own boundary. I don't want to participate in ways such as stroking him to get him ready for her, guiding his cock into her or anything like that. I'm also not really into the idea of a MFM because I think the difference in his size, performance and stamina will be too obvious and I have hard time overcoming that insecurity, especially after hearing how much louder she is with him and how he's able to effortlessly make her have mind blowing orgasms.

I don't blame you on guiding him in. That's more advanced cuckoldry and something that maybe you should save for later once you're sure you want to go down that path.

I guess the big question is how much is humiliation turning you on...or not....and how much do you want?

[chastity_boi]

The comparison element of any cuckold relationship is always simmering just below the surface. Is he a better lover? is he bigger? does she want him more than me? It's these feelings that feed directly into cuckold angst. Because of the way we're wired we, as cuckolds, react differently to this stimulus. This can be difficult to come to terms with and overcome. Male ego is wired over 1000's of years to make us instinctively want to be the best and the provider - or the alpha if you will. You know Lana loves his bigger cock, his dominant and cocky attitude but also that she still loves and wants to be with you. She will also know first hand that he is bigger than you and by how much. I've been in many situations both as a cuckold and a submissive where potentially I'm presented to my wife and the woman I love as less than, quite often to a greater degree, but the point is the set of circumstances that got us to that point was consensual and based on love for the other person and their wants and needs. At no point has my wife ever lost respect for me, if anything she sees my subservience and willingness to suffer indignities for her pleasure as a strength. If you ask yourself why Lana started on this cuckold journey it was primarily for your benefit. If you ask yourself the question ' Why do I want Lana to cuckold me' and answer honestly to yourself there may very well be some submissive element to it - whether that is some desire to see Lana pleasured by a better or more well endowed lover than you, or for you to be humiliated either verbally or physically to some greater or lesser degree for not being able to satisfy her, or even be in the same room masturbating as Superman does to her what you cannot, that feeling of shame/guilt/fear/whatever is totally natural. My point is if you are as brutally honest with Lana as she has been with you about what you want from this you may be pleasantly surprised by her reaction and the experience for both of you could be exponentially enhanced. From what you have said in previous posts it seems like losing Lana's respect is a fear for you in all this but if you communicate openly and honestly as you have done there is absolutely no reason why you cannot lean into these feelings you have without losing the respect of the woman you love.

[johnstevens555]

It's more of my own boundary. I don't want to participate in ways such as stroking him to get him ready for her, guiding his cock into her or anything like that. I'm also not really into the idea of a MFM because I think the difference in his size, performance and stamina will be too obvious and I have hard time overcoming that insecurity, especially after hearing how much louder she is with him and how he's able to effortlessly make her have mind blowing orgasms.

I don't blame you on guiding him in. That's more advanced cuckoldry and something that maybe you should save for later once you're sure you want to go down that path.

I guess the big question is how much is humiliation turning you on...or not....and how much do you want?

Also there’s nothing wrong with never wanting to grab another guys dick. Just sayin

[hiki]

Wouldn't it be funny if she started using 'Superman' as her nickname / term-of-endearment for him.

[w770]

Maybe at the outset of watching, you can remain dressed to avoid the comparison aspect. As you become more comfortable with watching, then you can decide if visually making the comparison works for you.

That's a level of control that I'm not sure I'll have if I'm actually seeing it happen, you know?

Every body hates me on here when I preach honesty, but I'm too stupid to listen to them.
Here's my opinion, for what it's worth. Invite spmn to your apartment and together or only Lana and tell him everything. Tell him what your expectations are concerning everything.My guess is that he will be more than happy to continue fucking Lana and whatever amount of humiliation you want him to provide you.
If he says no thank you, You'll be getting an early start to Lana's searching for another fuck. If he says YEPEEE. You put the search off till later.
By being honest there's no trying to cover your tracks when Lana gives him a cock and bull (pun intended) story and he starts asking questions. I think it would be much worse if he thinks your trying to pull the wool over his eyes.
Be honest. Everyone is on the same page. Everybody gets what they want.

PS. Hang on too your dick buddy because over the next weeks/months/years Lana is going to take you on a journey that many can't handle. She's hooked harder than if it was heroin.
Good luck!

Believe me, we're taking the all of the approaches and everyone's opinions here to heart and seeing what will work best for our situation. I get what you're saying when you're advocating for the 100% honesty approach, and I will admit that there are merits to other approaches as well. We're in no rush to figure out the best course of action and at the same time, time is still a factor as he leaves relatively soon.

It's more of my own boundary. I don't want to participate in ways such as stroking him to get him ready for her, guiding his cock into her or anything like that. I'm also not really into the idea of a MFM because I think the difference in his size, performance and stamina will be too obvious and I have hard time overcoming that insecurity, especially after hearing how much louder she is with him and how he's able to effortlessly make her have mind blowing orgasms.

I don't blame you on guiding him in. That's more advanced cuckoldry and something that maybe you should save for later once you're sure you want to go down that path.

I guess the big question is how much is humiliation turning you on...or not....and how much do you want?

This is a tough one because what might seem as out of line at first, may eventually becomes something that we consider hot. It even might be a process that takes place over the course of them fucking multiple times before I figure out reasonable and definitive boundaries.

The comparison element of any cuckold relationship is always simmering just below the surface. Is he a better lover? is he bigger? does she want him more than me? It's these feelings that feed directly into cuckold angst. Because of the way we're wired we, as cuckolds, react differently to this stimulus. This can be difficult to come to terms with and overcome. Male ego is wired over 1000's of years to make us instinctively want to be the best and the provider - or the alpha if you will. You know Lana loves his bigger cock, his dominant and cocky attitude but also that she still loves and wants to be with you. She will also know first hand that he is bigger than you and by how much. I've been in many situations both as a cuckold and a submissive where potentially I'm presented to my wife and the woman I love as less than, quite often to a greater degree, but the point is the set of circumstances that got us to that point was consensual and based on love for the other person and their wants and needs. At no point has my wife ever lost respect for me, if anything she sees my subservience and willingness to suffer indignities for her pleasure as a strength. If you ask yourself why Lana started on this cuckold journey it was primarily for your benefit. If you ask yourself the question ' Why do I want Lana to cuckold me' and answer honestly to yourself there may very well be some submissive element to it - whether that is some desire to see Lana pleasured by a better or more well endowed lover than you, or for you to be humiliated either verbally or physically to some greater or lesser degree for not being able to satisfy her, or even be in the same room masturbating as Superman does to her what you cannot, that feeling of shame/guilt/fear/whatever is totally natural. My point is if you are as brutally honest with Lana as she has been with you about what you want from this you may be pleasantly surprised by her reaction and the experience for both of you could be exponentially enhanced. From what you have said in previous posts it seems like losing Lana's respect is a fear for you in all this but if you communicate openly and honestly as you have done there is absolutely no reason why you cannot lean into these feelings you have without losing the respect of the woman you love.

Well it's fairly simple for me in that what turns me on the most is seeing Lana reach a level of sexual gratification that she's never experienced before. Everything on top of that namely the fact that it's with a man that's not me, with a guy that is objectively sexually attractive, the dominance, the attitude, the taboo nature of it all such as doing it on our bed, only adds to it. Her and I have discussed it and now it's a matter of defining boundaries in an effort to prevent any potential resentment later down the road.

Slight Update: He's trying hard to get back in touch with her. He just sent a picture of himself laying shirtless on his bed with the caption, "thinking about the fun we've had on this bed."

Note: Not sure why the quoting thing looks messed up here.

[johnstevens555]

At no point has my wife ever lost respect for me, if anything she sees my subservience and willingness to suffer indignities for her pleasure as a strength.

To me this sounds like you are playing with words. Almost like you choose to believe that she’s never lost respect for you so that’s just the truth. But when you say things like subservience and willing to suffer indignities I can’t wrap my head around that and reconcile it with the fact that you think that you haven’t lost respect. Is it possible that she tells you that she still respect you so you choose to believe it? I know this sounds like I’m attacking you and it’s not I just don’t understand. I come at this from the perspective of someone who has had the pleasure of sleeping with four wives in my younger years. A couple of those situation went down what I at the time considered a pretty dark path. In one of the situation‘s the wife really got off on her husband‘s submission to me And it went further and further as time went on. Eventually in this particular situation it really did lead to problems. Now like I’ve seen on this forum many times that marriage had problems before I got there. But to be honest they really didn’t think they had problems until all of this happened. For my part this was a long time ago and I really didn’t understand the dynamic that I was participating in the way I do now. They would set boundaries but then they would get off on breaking the boundaries. I was a dumb kid who was happy to take it as far as she wanted and he allowed me to take it.

[Chrislydi]

Yeah you have to consider that she has fantasies as well and that they might not fully align up with yours. It is possible like you that she never knew she had them you yourself have admitted that there are things about this that turn you on that you never considered. I believe this has happened to all of us i know it has for me.

None of this is bad it is not her hiding things from you but it appears she desires and has fantasies some of which revolve around you being fully cuckolded and watching, it may be that she sees this as the best way to get what she wants most his big cock, but I think she also knows it will enhance the it for her and you. I am thinking that Superman's actions have planted seeds for her but I think she is the one that really want the you there fantasy.

You need to decide if you also want to go there and if that is something you can handle and then discuss with your wife, this could be a great ride. Also since for the next three days only Blow jobs are on the table maybe watching that is a better place to start .

You make a lot of really good points. I think she has developed a fantasy of me watching them fuck very recently as a result of Superman bringing it out of her. And that's a great idea of maybe watching her blow him instead of the entire act.

I know it sounds stupid, but I'm really intimidated by Lana seeing my dick compared to his cock at the same time. It's no secret that he's MUCH bigger than me, but I think the difference in size will be even more stark if she sees both simultaneously. It's part of the reason why I'm apprehensive of watching them, because I don't know if I'll be able to resist touching myself if I were to see it happening right in front of me.

This is a classic bull move where there is a large size difference, and to all intents and purposes implanting the difference in your wife's brain. A visual side by side comparison can't not have a big impact on the woman experiencing both. Of course she knows the difference all ready, but this visual comparison can't help but lessen her physical attraction to you in relative terms as it increases hers to large cocks, it's a real stepping stone to some sort of denial. If you're uncertain of your cuck inclinations then I would say don't go there, this isn't a baby step but a step which for all her reassuring words, can't NOT lessen you in her eyes (even if only not wanting you as much physically anymore, so gradual denial to complete denial are the logical steps ahead) it's more a step imo for those confirmed cucks who are far more comfortable in their sexual mores. Step very carefully or you will imperceptibly and almost unknowingly drift very much into the realms of real cuckold territory, whether or not you are happy in doing so.

Superman won't be shy in underlining what she's seen for herself, and will find ways in which to emphasise how little you have in comparison to him - even if open humiliation isn't allowed. This is a boundary which you should not cross unless you're comfortable with going deep as a cuck and recognise it as that line crossed that confirmed you as the lesser man in her eyes, (and I only mean that physically), with no going back to your former status. Emotionally there will still be the strong connection but I think it's a little naive to think her reassuring words mean she won't or can't lose some respect for you, yes - this might be her intention but intentions and reality can be strange bedfellows.

Chris

[johnstevens555]

Yeah you have to consider that she has fantasies as well and that they might not fully align up with yours. It is possible like you that she never knew she had them you yourself have admitted that there are things about this that turn you on that you never considered. I believe this has happened to all of us i know it has for me.

None of this is bad it is not her hiding things from you but it appears she desires and has fantasies some of which revolve around you being fully cuckolded and watching, it may be that she sees this as the best way to get what she wants most his big cock, but I think she also knows it will enhance the it for her and you. I am thinking that Superman's actions have planted seeds for her but I think she is the one that really want the you there fantasy.

You need to decide if you also want to go there and if that is something you can handle and then discuss with your wife, this could be a great ride. Also since for the next three days only Blow jobs are on the table maybe watching that is a better place to start .

You make a lot of really good points. I think she has developed a fantasy of me watching them fuck very recently as a result of Superman bringing it out of her. And that's a great idea of maybe watching her blow him instead of the entire act.

I know it sounds stupid, but I'm really intimidated by Lana seeing my dick compared to his cock at the same time. It's no secret that he's MUCH bigger than me, but I think the difference in size will be even more stark if she sees both simultaneously. It's part of the reason why I'm apprehensive of watching them, because I don't know if I'll be able to resist touching myself if I were to see it happening right in front of me.

This is a classic bull move where there is a large size difference, and to all intents and purposes implanting the difference in your wife's brain. A visual side by side comparison can't not have a big impact on the woman experiencing both. Of course she knows the difference all ready, but this visual comparison can't help but lessen her physical attraction to you in relative terms as it increases hers to large cocks, it's a real stepping stone to some sort of denial. If you're uncertain of your cuck inclinations then I would say don't go there, this isn't a baby step but a step which for all her reassuring words, can't NOT lessen you in her eyes (even if only not wanting you as much physically anymore, so gradual denial to complete denial are the logical steps ahead) it's more a step imo for those confirmed cucks who are far more comfortable in their sexual mores. Step very carefully or you will imperceptibly and almost unknowingly drift very much into the realms of real cuckold territory, whether or not you are happy in doing so. Superman won't be shy in underlining what she's seen for herself and will find ways in which to emphasise how little you have in comparison to him even if open humiliation isn't allowed. This is a boundary which you should not cross unless you're comfortable ongoing deep as a click and recognise it as that line crossed than confirmed you as the lesser man in her eyes (and I only mean that physically) with no going back to your former status. Emotionally there will still be the strong connection but I think it's s little naive to think her reassuring words mean she won't or can't lose some respect for you, yes - this might be her intention but intentions and reality can be strange bedfellows.

Chris

Listen to this man. He knows of what he speaks. Chris your thread should be required reading for anyone who thinks they want this. W770 have you read his thread?

[w770]

Yeah you have to consider that she has fantasies as well and that they might not fully align up with yours. It is possible like you that she never knew she had them you yourself have admitted that there are things about this that turn you on that you never considered. I believe this has happened to all of us i know it has for me.

None of this is bad it is not her hiding things from you but it appears she desires and has fantasies some of which revolve around you being fully cuckolded and watching, it may be that she sees this as the best way to get what she wants most his big cock, but I think she also knows it will enhance the it for her and you. I am thinking that Superman's actions have planted seeds for her but I think she is the one that really want the you there fantasy.

You need to decide if you also want to go there and if that is something you can handle and then discuss with your wife, this could be a great ride. Also since for the next three days only Blow jobs are on the table maybe watching that is a better place to start .

You make a lot of really good points. I think she has developed a fantasy of me watching them fuck very recently as a result of Superman bringing it out of her. And that's a great idea of maybe watching her blow him instead of the entire act.

I know it sounds stupid, but I'm really intimidated by Lana seeing my dick compared to his cock at the same time. It's no secret that he's MUCH bigger than me, but I think the difference in size will be even more stark if she sees both simultaneously. It's part of the reason why I'm apprehensive of watching them, because I don't know if I'll be able to resist touching myself if I were to see it happening right in front of me.

This is a classic bull move where there is a large size difference, and to all intents and purposes implanting the difference in your wife's brain. A visual side by side comparison can't not have a big impact on the woman experiencing both. Of course she knows the difference all ready, but this visual comparison can't help but lessen her physical attraction to you in relative terms as it increases hers to large cocks, it's a real stepping stone to some sort of denial. If you're uncertain of your cuck inclinations then I would say don't go there, this isn't a baby step but a step which for all her reassuring words, can't NOT lessen you in her eyes (even if only not wanting you as much physically anymore, so gradual denial to complete denial are the logical steps ahead) it's more a step imo for those confirmed cucks who are far more comfortable in their sexual mores. Step very carefully or you will imperceptibly and almost unknowingly drift very much into the realms of real cuckold territory, whether or not you are happy in doing so. Superman won't be shy in underlining what she's seen for herself and will find ways in which to emphasise how little you have in comparison to him even if open humiliation isn't allowed. This is a boundary which you should not cross unless you're comfortable ongoing deep as a click and recognise it as that line crossed than confirmed you as the lesser man in her eyes (and I only mean that physically) with no going back to your former status. Emotionally there will still be the strong connection but I think it's s little naive to think her reassuring words mean she won't or can't lose some respect for you, yes - this might be her intention but intentions and reality can be strange bedfellows.

Chris

Listen to this man. He knows of what he speaks. Chris your thread should be required reading for anyone who thinks they want this. W770 have you read his thread?

I'm currently on page 5 of Chris' thread. It really should be required reading.

[Chrislydi]

There can be a big difference between words and reality, of course she'll say she has not lost an iota of respect for you, maybe even go further and say it's actually increased her respect for you and of course she will expect you to believe it, and you might also easily believe it too because you will so want to believe it. None of that makes it true.

Chris

[johnstevens555]

There can be a big difference between words and reality, of course she'll say she has not lost an iota of respect for you, maybe even go further and say it's actually increased her respect for you and of course she will expect you to believe it, and you might also easily believe it too because you will so want to believe it. None of that makes it true.

Chris

Preach!

[chastity_boi]

At no point has my wife ever lost respect for me, if anything she sees my subservience and willingness to suffer indignities for her pleasure as a strength.

To me this sounds like you are playing with words. Almost like you choose to believe that she’s never lost respect for you so that’s just the truth. But when you say things like subservience and willing to suffer indignities I can’t wrap my head around that and reconcile it with the fact that you think that you haven’t lost respect. Is it possible that she tells you that she still respect you so you choose to believe it? I know this sounds like I’m attacking you and it’s not I just don’t understand. I come at this from the perspective of someone who has had the pleasure of sleeping with four wives in my younger years. A couple of those situation went down what I at the time considered a pretty dark path. In one of the situation‘s the wife really got off on her husband‘s submission to me And it went further and further as time went on. Eventually in this particular situation it really did lead to problems. Now like I’ve seen on this forum many times that marriage had problems before I got there. But to be honest they really didn’t think they had problems until all of this happened. For my part this was a long time ago and I really didn’t understand the dynamic that I was participating in the way I do now. They would set boundaries but then they would get off on breaking the boundaries. I was a dumb kid who was happy to take it as far as she wanted and he allowed me to take it.

no offense taken. I appreciate your concern but this is merely one sentence, referencing a large part of our lives (we've been together 15 years) to illustrate a point. My wife and I communicate extensively about everything - not just sex - and I know she respects and loves me. There's also a bunch of other stuff she does to me that to an outside observer would contradict that - but that is by the by. I totally understand that some relationships in this this and other alternative lifestyles can be unhealthy and fester - but that is not us. Enough about me let's get back on topic...

[brig2221]

As a 20 year wannabe who has made significant progress over the years, but never actually having it become official, I can so absolutely resonate with your thread here. Also, you’re a great writer, and I feel like I can sense a certain depth into your feelings and character as a result.

All that said, I would advise you to not watch them live in person. Don’t get me wrong, I’m 100% there with you on the comparison aspect talk with your wife in hearing her say how much bigger and better he is in bed being the hottest thing in the world, like jizz in your pants without being touched hot! That said, here’s where I may be stretching a bit, but I feel like I almost know you from this thread, and I strongly feel you would NOT in any way enjoy being degraded in person by Superman. It will be humiliating, and not in the aforementioned hot kind of way. This guy will get off of and go out of his way to flat out disrespect you to your face directly in front of your wife and it wont feel good.

Conversely, human nature is what it is. No matter how much she loves and respects you, she will lose some sense of respect for you watching you get dressed down and humiliated by another man in person, I just don’t think it can be avoided. Doesn’t mean she still wont love you and that she’ll want to leave you for Superman, but I feel she would think less of you and not have as much respect for you as she does today.

My two cents, you go with the honest approach. Lana tells Superman the truth in that you had expressed to her for years your kink of wanting to share her with another man, and that she never had any plans on actually acting on it until she met him, and it just happened, and that she wants it to continue happening, but with his understanding that you know and approve.

I would bet my house that wouldn’t deter Superman in any way, and Lana and Superman can continue to explore each other freely. Then you can look at maybe incorporating her taking videos of them together for your mutual enjoyment or anything else that you not find hot and agreeable that doesn’t put you in the same room with Superman while they’re doing it.

Just wanted to offer my two cents and to let you know that I’m vicariously living through you and this thread. I cannot even begin to comprehend what I would feel like right now if the culmination of 20 years of talk and role playing but I’ll never actually do it (my wife) suddenly turned into I did it out of nowhere, oh, and the guy is a classic calendar pinup hot young (future) fireman with a literal fire hose of a cock.

I mean, truth truly is stranger than fiction right?

[w770]

Yeah you have to consider that she has fantasies as well and that they might not fully align up with yours. It is possible like you that she never knew she had them you yourself have admitted that there are things about this that turn you on that you never considered. I believe this has happened to all of us i know it has for me.

None of this is bad it is not her hiding things from you but it appears she desires and has fantasies some of which revolve around you being fully cuckolded and watching, it may be that she sees this as the best way to get what she wants most his big cock, but I think she also knows it will enhance the it for her and you. I am thinking that Superman's actions have planted seeds for her but I think she is the one that really want the you there fantasy.

You need to decide if you also want to go there and if that is something you can handle and then discuss with your wife, this could be a great ride. Also since for the next three days only Blow jobs are on the table maybe watching that is a better place to start .

You make a lot of really good points. I think she has developed a fantasy of me watching them fuck very recently as a result of Superman bringing it out of her. And that's a great idea of maybe watching her blow him instead of the entire act.

I know it sounds stupid, but I'm really intimidated by Lana seeing my dick compared to his cock at the same time. It's no secret that he's MUCH bigger than me, but I think the difference in size will be even more stark if she sees both simultaneously. It's part of the reason why I'm apprehensive of watching them, because I don't know if I'll be able to resist touching myself if I were to see it happening right in front of me.

This is a classic bull move where there is a large size difference, and to all intents and purposes implanting the difference in your wife's brain. A visual side by side comparison can't not have a big impact on the woman experiencing both. Of course she knows the difference all ready, but this visual comparison can't help but lessen her physical attraction to you in relative terms as it increases hers to large cocks, it's a real stepping stone to some sort of denial. If you're uncertain of your cuck inclinations then I would say don't go there, this isn't a baby step but a step which for all her reassuring words, can't NOT lessen you in her eyes (even if only not wanting you as much physically anymore, so gradual denial to complete denial are the logical steps ahead) it's more a step imo for those confirmed cucks who are far more comfortable in their sexual mores. Step very carefully or you will imperceptibly and almost unknowingly drift very much into the realms of real cuckold territory, whether or not you are happy in doing so.

Superman won't be shy in underlining what she's seen for herself, and will find ways in which to emphasise how little you have in comparison to him - even if open humiliation isn't allowed. This is a boundary which you should not cross unless you're comfortable with going deep as a cuck and recognise it as that line crossed that confirmed you as the lesser man in her eyes, (and I only mean that physically), with no going back to your former status. Emotionally there will still be the strong connection but I think it's a little naive to think her reassuring words mean she won't or can't lose some respect for you, yes - this might be her intention but intentions and reality can be strange bedfellows.

Chris

This very much sounds like a event horizon, point of no return situation that you're describing. Taken together with other comments here, coupled with my overall insecurity in this area, I think I'm tending to the side of just listening from outside the bedroom, at least for the first few times. I've never heard the obsession in her voice during the times I listened in, and I think compounding that with an act of comparison will be too overwhelming for the moment we're in.

At no point has my wife ever lost respect for me, if anything she sees my subservience and willingness to suffer indignities for her pleasure as a strength.

To me this sounds like you are playing with words. Almost like you choose to believe that she’s never lost respect for you so that’s just the truth. But when you say things like subservience and willing to suffer indignities I can’t wrap my head around that and reconcile it with the fact that you think that you haven’t lost respect. Is it possible that she tells you that she still respect you so you choose to believe it? I know this sounds like I’m attacking you and it’s not I just don’t understand. I come at this from the perspective of someone who has had the pleasure of sleeping with four wives in my younger years. A couple of those situation went down what I at the time considered a pretty dark path. In one of the situation‘s the wife really got off on her husband‘s submission to me And it went further and further as time went on. Eventually in this particular situation it really did lead to problems. Now like I’ve seen on this forum many times that marriage had problems before I got there. But to be honest they really didn’t think they had problems until all of this happened. For my part this was a long time ago and I really didn’t understand the dynamic that I was participating in the way I do now. They would set boundaries but then they would get off on breaking the boundaries. I was a dumb kid who was happy to take it as far as she wanted and he allowed me to take it.

no offense taken. I appreciate your concern but this is merely one sentence, referencing a large part of our lives (we've been together 15 years) to illustrate a point. My wife and I communicate extensively about everything - not just sex - and I know she respects and loves me. There's also a bunch of other stuff she does to me that to an outside observer would contradict that - but that is by the by. I totally understand that some relationships in this this and other alternative lifestyles can be unhealthy and fester - but that is not us. Enough about me let's get back on topic...

Update: Lana and him are meeting up for coffee later. She's going to tell him that I came home and smelled the sex throughout the bedroom, saw her laying naked on the bed with the sheets thrown about and accepted what had just happened. She'll also tell him that she's informed me of her desire to continue on with him and to get his feelings over making me watch or at the very least, listen. She'll let his reaction guide the conversation and if he is onboard, she will go over boundaries. She won't say anything directly addressing the week before the last time they fucked, and he's free to assume I don't know if that where his mind goes. If they make it this far into the conversation, they'll discuss schedules and when the big day will be. She's also given me veto authority on any plans made with him at any point I choose should I feel uneasy about any instance.

Jumping right into the fire here.

[w770]

As a 20 year wannabe who has made significant progress over the years, but never actually having it become official, I can so absolutely resonate with your thread here. Also, you’re a great writer, and I feel like I can sense a certain depth into your feelings and character as a result.

All that said, I would advise you to not watch them live in person. Don’t get me wrong, I’m 100% there with you on the comparison aspect talk with your wife in hearing her say how much bigger and better he is in bed being the hottest thing in the world, like jizz in your pants without being touched hot! That said, here’s where I may be stretching a bit, but I feel like I almost know you from this thread, and I strongly feel you would NOT in any way enjoy being degraded in person by Superman. It will be humiliating, and not in the aforementioned hot kind of way. This guy will get off of and go out of his way to flat out disrespect you to your face directly in front of your wife and it wont feel good.

Conversely, human nature is what it is. No matter how much she loves and respects you, she will lose some sense of respect for you watching you get dressed down and humiliated by another man in person, I just don’t think it can be avoided. Doesn’t mean she still wont love you and that she’ll want to leave you for Superman, but I feel she would think less of you and not have as much respect for you as she does today.

My two cents, you go with the honest approach. Lana tells Superman the truth in that you had expressed to her for years your kink of wanting to share her with another man, and that she never had any plans on actually acting on it until she met him, and it just happened, and that she wants it to continue happening, but with his understanding that you know and approve.

I would bet my house that wouldn’t deter Superman in any way, and Lana and Superman can continue to explore each other freely. Then you can look at maybe incorporating her taking videos of them together for your mutual enjoyment.

Just wanted to offer my two cents and to let you know that I’m vicariously living through you and this thread. I cannot even begin to comprehend what I would feel like right now if the culmination of 20 years of talk and role playing but I’ll never actually do it (my wife) suddenly turned into I did it out of nowhere, oh, and the guy is a classic calendar pinup hot young (future) fireman with a literal fire hose of a cock.

I mean, truth truly is stranger than fiction right?

Thank you for your post. It seems to be a theme that wives, whether through intention or not, cannot help but lose respect, even if it's just a bit, for their husbands should certain acts take place. I think this may be true, even in light of what some wives will say. I mean, for the first few years of Lana and I being together, she told me that I was the biggest she's ever had - which is laughable.

One of the boundaries that Lana will discuss with him will be that if I'm ever watching them have sex, he can say certain comments to her as is a big part of what turns both of them on, but under no circumstances will he be allowed to say anything directly to me or tell me to perform certain tasks. This was a personal boundary that I brought up to Lana and she whole heartedly agrees to it. I think she feels my apprehension of losing her respect should I participate in that sort of role play or "task play" (if that's a term) where I take orders from him that I will not accept. Should he cross those lines, the entire thing is over.

Yes truth really is stranger than fiction, because it's true. Not even a week ago was I thinking that this would be the case.

[johnstevens555]

As a 20 year wannabe who has made significant progress over the years, but never actually having it become official, I can so absolutely resonate with your thread here. Also, you’re a great writer, and I feel like I can sense a certain depth into your feelings and character as a result.

All that said, I would advise you to not watch them live in person. Don’t get me wrong, I’m 100% there with you on the comparison aspect talk with your wife in hearing her say how much bigger and better he is in bed being the hottest thing in the world, like jizz in your pants without being touched hot! That said, here’s where I may be stretching a bit, but I feel like I almost know you from this thread, and I strongly feel you would NOT in any way enjoy being degraded in person by Superman. It will be humiliating, and not in the aforementioned hot kind of way. This guy will get off of and go out of his way to flat out disrespect you to your face directly in front of your wife and it wont feel good.

Conversely, human nature is what it is. No matter how much she loves and respects you, she will lose some sense of respect for you watching you get dressed down and humiliated by another man in person, I just don’t think it can be avoided. Doesn’t mean she still wont love you and that she’ll want to leave you for Superman, but I feel she would think less of you and not have as much respect for you as she does today.

My two cents, you go with the honest approach. Lana tells Superman the truth in that you had expressed to her for years your kink of wanting to share her with another man, and that she never had any plans on actually acting on it until she met him, and it just happened, and that she wants it to continue happening, but with his understanding that you know and approve.

I would bet my house that wouldn’t deter Superman in any way, and Lana and Superman can continue to explore each other freely. Then you can look at maybe incorporating her taking videos of them together for your mutual enjoyment.

Just wanted to offer my two cents and to let you know that I’m vicariously living through you and this thread. I cannot even begin to comprehend what I would feel like right now if the culmination of 20 years of talk and role playing but I’ll never actually do it (my wife) suddenly turned into I did it out of nowhere, oh, and the guy is a classic calendar pinup hot young (future) fireman with a literal fire hose of a cock.

I mean, truth truly is stranger than fiction right?

Thank you for your post. It seems to be a theme that wives, whether through intention or not, cannot help but lose respect, even if it's just a bit, for their husbands should certain acts take place. I think this may be true, even in light of what some wives will say. I mean, for the first few years of Lana and I being together, she told me that I was the biggest she's ever had - which is laughable.

One of the boundaries that Lana will discuss with him will be that if I'm ever watching them have sex, he can say certain comments to her as is a big part of what turns both of them on, but under no circumstances will he be allowed to say anything directly to me or tell me to perform certain tasks. This was a personal boundary that I brought up to Lana and she whole heartedly agrees to it. I think she feels my apprehension of losing her respect should I participate in that sort of role play or "task play" (if that's a term) where I take orders from him that I will not accept. Should he cross those lines, the entire thing is over.

Yes truth really is stranger than fiction, because it's true. Not even a week ago was I thinking that this would be the case.

I think you guys have a solid plan. I bet he will be a good boy and agree to everything. What are the chances that she will be sucking his cock in your living room tonight?

[w770]

As a 20 year wannabe who has made significant progress over the years, but never actually having it become official, I can so absolutely resonate with your thread here. Also, you’re a great writer, and I feel like I can sense a certain depth into your feelings and character as a result.

All that said, I would advise you to not watch them live in person. Don’t get me wrong, I’m 100% there with you on the comparison aspect talk with your wife in hearing her say how much bigger and better he is in bed being the hottest thing in the world, like jizz in your pants without being touched hot! That said, here’s where I may be stretching a bit, but I feel like I almost know you from this thread, and I strongly feel you would NOT in any way enjoy being degraded in person by Superman. It will be humiliating, and not in the aforementioned hot kind of way. This guy will get off of and go out of his way to flat out disrespect you to your face directly in front of your wife and it wont feel good.

Conversely, human nature is what it is. No matter how much she loves and respects you, she will lose some sense of respect for you watching you get dressed down and humiliated by another man in person, I just don’t think it can be avoided. Doesn’t mean she still wont love you and that she’ll want to leave you for Superman, but I feel she would think less of you and not have as much respect for you as she does today.

My two cents, you go with the honest approach. Lana tells Superman the truth in that you had expressed to her for years your kink of wanting to share her with another man, and that she never had any plans on actually acting on it until she met him, and it just happened, and that she wants it to continue happening, but with his understanding that you know and approve.

I would bet my house that wouldn’t deter Superman in any way, and Lana and Superman can continue to explore each other freely. Then you can look at maybe incorporating her taking videos of them together for your mutual enjoyment.

Just wanted to offer my two cents and to let you know that I’m vicariously living through you and this thread. I cannot even begin to comprehend what I would feel like right now if the culmination of 20 years of talk and role playing but I’ll never actually do it (my wife) suddenly turned into I did it out of nowhere, oh, and the guy is a classic calendar pinup hot young (future) fireman with a literal fire hose of a cock.

I mean, truth truly is stranger than fiction right?

Thank you for your post. It seems to be a theme that wives, whether through intention or not, cannot help but lose respect, even if it's just a bit, for their husbands should certain acts take place. I think this may be true, even in light of what some wives will say. I mean, for the first few years of Lana and I being together, she told me that I was the biggest she's ever had - which is laughable.

One of the boundaries that Lana will discuss with him will be that if I'm ever watching them have sex, he can say certain comments to her as is a big part of what turns both of them on, but under no circumstances will he be allowed to say anything directly to me or tell me to perform certain tasks. This was a personal boundary that I brought up to Lana and she whole heartedly agrees to it. I think she feels my apprehension of losing her respect should I participate in that sort of role play or "task play" (if that's a term) where I take orders from him that I will not accept. Should he cross those lines, the entire thing is over.

Yes truth really is stranger than fiction, because it's true. Not even a week ago was I thinking that this would be the case.

I think you guys have a solid plan. I bet he will be a good boy and agree to everything. What are the chances that she will be sucking his cock in your living room tonight?

I told her that I'm not quite ready to see that just yet but I understand if she wants to go give him a blowjob at his place after they're done talking. She's already got a bounce in her step from the anticipation.

[veub]

At no point has my wife ever lost respect for me, if anything she sees my subservience and willingness to suffer indignities for her pleasure as a strength.

To me this sounds like you are playing with words. Almost like you choose to believe that she’s never lost respect for you so that’s just the truth. But when you say things like subservience and willing to suffer indignities I can’t wrap my head around that and reconcile it with the fact that you think that you haven’t lost respect. Is it possible that she tells you that she still respect you so you choose to believe it? I know this sounds like I’m attacking you and it’s not I just don’t understand. I come at this from the perspective of someone who has had the pleasure of sleeping with four wives in my younger years. A couple of those situation went down what I at the time considered a pretty dark path. In one of the situation‘s the wife really got off on her husband‘s submission to me And it went further and further as time went on. Eventually in this particular situation it really did lead to problems. Now like I’ve seen on this forum many times that marriage had problems before I got there. But to be honest they really didn’t think they had problems until all of this happened. For my part this was a long time ago and I really didn’t understand the dynamic that I was participating in the way I do now. They would set boundaries but then they would get off on breaking the boundaries. I was a dumb kid who was happy to take it as far as she wanted and he allowed me to take it.

no offense taken. I appreciate your concern but this is merely one sentence, referencing a large part of our lives (we've been together 15 years) to illustrate a point. My wife and I communicate extensively about everything - not just sex - and I know she respects and loves me. There's also a bunch of other stuff she does to me that to an outside observer would contradict that - but that is by the by. I totally understand that some relationships in this this and other alternative lifestyles can be unhealthy and fester - but that is not us. Enough about me let's get back on topic...

Degrading actions and comments given continually affect both the giver and the receiver - that is something that can't be avoided, no matter what the intentions of the parties might be or how "consensual" the humiliation is. The perpetrator comes to view the "victim" through the lens of the comments and the "victim" comes to the same conclusion.. If you are continually told you are worthless, you will accept it as true.

[veub]

. . .

Update: Lana and him are meeting up for coffee later. She's going to tell him that I came home and smelled the sex throughout the bedroom, saw her laying naked on the bed with the sheets thrown about and accepted what had just happened. She'll also tell him that she's informed me of her desire to continue on with him and to get his feelings over making me watch or at the very least, listen. She'll let his reaction guide the conversation and if he is onboard, she will go over boundaries. She won't say anything directly addressing the week before the last time they fucked, and he's free to assume I don't know if that where his mind goes. If they make it this far into the conversation, they'll discuss schedules and when the big day will be. She's also given me veto authority on any plans made with him at any point I choose should I feel uneasy about any instance.

Jumping right into the fire here.

If this is an accurate telling of the proposed conversation, you're already in flames:

"to get his feelings over making me watch or at the very least, listen'


If he feels that he has the right to decide on "making you watch" you've already ceded total control of the situation to him. What will he "make" you do as this progresses further?

[Wifesharing]

I think your Limits that you will set out to him are reasonable. I have limits and I make sure they are known. I think it is good have his comments be directed to her and you will hear them but not directly at you. One thing to point is make sure you stand your ground in that if something is too much for you or you don't want him to talk to you like make sure to say something, you don't have to get all pissed but be firm, if you go along with something it will be a sign that you want or like it and things will grow. Also if you have told her things you don't want but then he does them and you take it this will certainly lower your place as a man to your wife , It might not be somehting that effects your day to day life but a wife can not unsee her husband taking shit from a man any more then you can unsee her getting fucked.


That lucky bastard will be getting a nice long naughty blow job from your wife soon .

[Dharmadude]

I personally enjoy watching my wife. But I can see how it would be traumatic if you’re not ready for it. That’s why I suggested to take it in small doses.

Even if you are never in the same apartment, just the idea of her running downstairs to ride his massive cock then coming right back to you is very hot.

[mundyman]

Yeah you have to consider that she has fantasies as well and that they might not fully align up with yours. It is possible like you that she never knew she had them you yourself have admitted that there are things about this that turn you on that you never considered. I believe this has happened to all of us i know it has for me.

None of this is bad it is not her hiding things from you but it appears she desires and has fantasies some of which revolve around you being fully cuckolded and watching, it may be that she sees this as the best way to get what she wants most his big cock, but I think she also knows it will enhance the it for her and you. I am thinking that Superman's actions have planted seeds for her but I think she is the one that really want the you there fantasy.

You need to decide if you also want to go there and if that is something you can handle and then discuss with your wife, this could be a great ride. Also since for the next three days only Blow jobs are on the table maybe watching that is a better place to start .

You make a lot of really good points. I think she has developed a fantasy of me watching them fuck very recently as a result of Superman bringing it out of her. And that's a great idea of maybe watching her blow him instead of the entire act.

I know it sounds stupid, but I'm really intimidated by Lana seeing my dick compared to his cock at the same time. It's no secret that he's MUCH bigger than me, but I think the difference in size will be even more stark if she sees both simultaneously. It's part of the reason why I'm apprehensive of watching them, because I don't know if I'll be able to resist touching myself if I were to see it happening right in front of me.

This is a classic bull move where there is a large size difference, and to all intents and purposes implanting the difference in your wife's brain. A visual side by side comparison can't not have a big impact on the woman experiencing both. Of course she knows the difference all ready, but this visual comparison can't help but lessen her physical attraction to you in relative terms as it increases hers to large cocks, it's a real stepping stone to some sort of denial. If you're uncertain of your cuck inclinations then I would say don't go there, this isn't a baby step but a step which for all her reassuring words, can't NOT lessen you in her eyes (even if only not wanting you as much physically anymore, so gradual denial to complete denial are the logical steps ahead) it's more a step imo for those confirmed cucks who are far more comfortable in their sexual mores. Step very carefully or you will imperceptibly and almost unknowingly drift very much into the realms of real cuckold territory, whether or not you are happy in doing so.

Superman won't be shy in underlining what she's seen for herself, and will find ways in which to emphasise how little you have in comparison to him - even if open humiliation isn't allowed. This is a boundary which you should not cross unless you're comfortable with going deep as a cuck and recognise it as that line crossed that confirmed you as the lesser man in her eyes, (and I only mean that physically), with no going back to your former status. Emotionally there will still be the strong connection but I think it's a little naive to think her reassuring words mean she won't or can't lose some respect for you, yes - this might be her intention but intentions and reality can be strange bedfellows.

Chris

This very much sounds like a event horizon, point of no return situation that you're describing. Taken together with other comments here, coupled with my overall insecurity in this area, I think I'm tending to the side of just listening from outside the bedroom, at least for the first few times. I've never heard the obsession in her voice during the times I listened in, and I think compounding that with an act of comparison will be too overwhelming for the moment we're in.

At no point has my wife ever lost respect for me, if anything she sees my subservience and willingness to suffer indignities for her pleasure as a strength.

To me this sounds like you are playing with words. Almost like you choose to believe that she’s never lost respect for you so that’s just the truth. But when you say things like subservience and willing to suffer indignities I can’t wrap my head around that and reconcile it with the fact that you think that you haven’t lost respect. Is it possible that she tells you that she still respect you so you choose to believe it? I know this sounds like I’m attacking you and it’s not I just don’t understand. I come at this from the perspective of someone who has had the pleasure of sleeping with four wives in my younger years. A couple of those situation went down what I at the time considered a pretty dark path. In one of the situation‘s the wife really got off on her husband‘s submission to me And it went further and further as time went on. Eventually in this particular situation it really did lead to problems. Now like I’ve seen on this forum many times that marriage had problems before I got there. But to be honest they really didn’t think they had problems until all of this happened. For my part this was a long time ago and I really didn’t understand the dynamic that I was participating in the way I do now. They would set boundaries but then they would get off on breaking the boundaries. I was a dumb kid who was happy to take it as far as she wanted and he allowed me to take it.

no offense taken. I appreciate your concern but this is merely one sentence, referencing a large part of our lives (we've been together 15 years) to illustrate a point. My wife and I communicate extensively about everything - not just sex - and I know she respects and loves me. There's also a bunch of other stuff she does to me that to an outside observer would contradict that - but that is by the by. I totally understand that some relationships in this this and other alternative lifestyles can be unhealthy and fester - but that is not us. Enough about me let's get back on topic...

Update: Lana and him are meeting up for coffee later. She's going to tell him that I came home and smelled the sex throughout the bedroom, saw her laying naked on the bed with the sheets thrown about and accepted what had just happened. She'll also tell him that she's informed me of her desire to continue on with him and to get his feelings over making me watch or at the very least, listen. She'll let his reaction guide the conversation and if he is onboard, she will go over boundaries. She won't say anything directly addressing the week before the last time they fucked, and he's free to assume I don't know if that where his mind goes. If they make it this far into the conversation, they'll discuss schedules and when the big day will be. She's also given me veto authority on any plans made with him at any point I choose should I feel uneasy about any instance.

Jumping right into the fire here.

So her story to him is that you basically found her post-fuck, the evidence clearly pointing to her having just had sex with SM. You ‘accepted’ that it happened, whatever that means, and she then informed you of her desire(demand?) to continue seeing him.

This story seems to put you not in a superior position of any strength, but in an inferior position of the accepting cuckold who’s basically kowtow to his wife and dominant lover. You will look weak in the eyes of her Superman. He will treat you accordingly.

Honestly, I see problems ahead with this approach. Again you talk about your communication and control of the situation, but then didn’t you say you two were going to wait until the weekend to respond to him, or when her period was over. Just like the start of this, she, yes your wife, is moving you two very quickly into the next phase of this. Be careful what you wish for is the most common warning you’ll receive, for very good reason.

I can see how you can describe her as being very intelligent, as she seems to be, can I say manipulating, you into accepting the timeline and their activities according to her desires. She consults you, you come up with a plan, and then invariably she works around or over you to get what she wants.

You both have NRE, Lana with Superman and his super cock, and you with the adrenaline rush of your wife’s activities. As I said in recent posts, you’re saying no to several activities now, but let’s see where you are right around the first of the year. I see overnights definitely in the future and possibly other activities as you soften your stance as the affair continues and you seek more excitement and higher thrills. Just like a drug you’ll need more extreme activities to quench your need for a rush. Make sure you are not doing all of your thinking with your small head, but using the head on top of your shoulders.

I know I sound super negative, and I really don’t mean to piss on your parade. None of us know either of you, and we only know the details you share through the lens of your observations and experiences. When you say trust me/us, I have no option but to do that. However after being on this forum for a while you begin to pick up on red flags that appear from time to time in the threads you read. I just think I see a couple here.

Also, as you enjoy writing about the experiences of you and your super sexy wife Lana to clear your head and have somewhere to share, the rest of us like to share our reactions to your story.

As always I wish good luck to you and your hotwife as you journey through this lifestyle. I hope this continues to enhance your relationship and you get out of it what you desire. Have fun and I can’t wait to hear how their conversation went and how much she enjoyed sucking his cock afterward.