It might actually happen after years of telling me no.

[w770]

I never take anything said here offensively and I'm glad you felt the freedom to have the candor to say what you did in your post. But I have to ask why you feel sorry for me. I still have the love of my life and she's still carrying my baby. I just feel lucky that she feels secure enough to be as honest as she has been in admitting her love for Shawn.

This is also not meant to be offensive, but it would drive me crazy if I didn't know for sure.
Have to done any testing to establish that it is your baby? Whatever your feelings would be if it's not, I would want to know.

W, if Cara joins in a foursome with Lana, Shawn and Eric, do you think you would be allowed to cleanup Cara as well?

that's a great question. i'm curious to find out.

No offense taken. Well by now we timed it out, it would appear that there isn't a chance that it isn't my baby. But if I should feel differently after the child is born, Lana would have no problem with getting it tested just for the sake of easing my mind.

[snoogaloo82]

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No offense taken. Well by now we timed it out, it would appear that there isn't a chance that it isn't my baby. But if I should feel differently after the child is born, Lana would have no problem with getting it tested just for the sake of easing my mind.

for me i would want to know even though i would accept it as my own no matter what.

[3532734dreamer]

As far as your question about in what circumstances they've told each other they love each other, Lana told me that it's only been in the context of during and right after they've made love, and it's always him saying it first to her. They've also had talks about their feelings while cuddling in bed where he's asked about it turning into something more, how I factor into it, and how it's his first time being in love. She's made it very clear to him that I'm the love of her life and her soulmate, and no matter how she feels for him, nothing will ever change that fact, so if their relationship and love evolves, it will without a doubt have to have me as a part of it. She told me that he wasn't upset by this and in fact, very understanding. He's changed greatly in a year and his emotional development is really impressive.

After reading your concerns, I checked Lana's phone (it's fine, we have an open phone policy between us) and looked at the chat between her and Shawn and I have no doubts that she's being completely honest and open with me about what she claims her relationship is like with Shawn.

In regards to the question about how I'll feel if and when they make love and tell each other their feelings in front of me - as of this moment, I feel like I will be able to handle it, but that could be me being naive as I have been so many times in the last year. I mentioned this to Lana and that it's the biggest thing I'm trying to handle right now. It was one thing to watch her on all fours screaming out how much better he fucks than me. It's entirely something else seeing him slowly and passionately thrust in and out of her while they stare into each other's eyes, her hands clasped together behind his neck and her legs pulling him tightly. She's been incredibly sensitive to my feelings and we've agreed that outside of saying it to him during and right after making love, she will not tell him that she loves him in any other context without clearing it with me first. And I still have full stop powers and can use it whenever I see fit.

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35532734dreamer and you, along with a lot of other posters have been very accurate in your warnings and telling me to always be vigilant in looking for red flags and to constantly check my blind spots. I understand that Lana has had some instances of not revealing full truths until later, but I've never found any secret communication between her and other guys, nothing where she's outright lied to me in a way that I've considered to be important (taking Adam's bare cock probably being the biggest, pun intended, and even that wasn't something that I found to be something we couldn't easily get past).

Ultimately, I feel like she really understands this kink now, whereas before we ever met Shawn, she would just always tell me it was just a weird little fetish that I was into whenever I asked her to at least role play scenarios where I was a different guy and she was cheating on me.

I really do feel more confident than worried about our future exploration into this lifestyle and I'm very grateful to have people constantly checking my blind spots.

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Update: we're at Lana's parents' place but we found some time to sneak off and have some fun. We video called Shawn, and had him watch. And what has become a part of our foreplay, she denied me her making love to her, and instead I gave her oral. I made her cum twice while she stared right into the camera for Shawn while he watched.

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Yeah he was having Thanksgiving dinner with some friend's family's house at the time so he had to sneak off to the bathroom to watch, .

Update: I tend to wake up earlier than everyone, usually for the gym, but especially whenever we stay with her parents as my back usually hates sleeping on the bed they have in their spare bedroom. So I'm fully awake now with a raging hard on, wanting really badly to either wake Lana up and make love or at least jerk off, neither of which will be happening. It just dawned on me that although Shawn comes here in 3 weeks, that I might be denied Lana's pussy until after he leaves, which means I might not be able to cum for 6 weeks. I really don't know if that's possible...

Hi w770.

You are really killing it with the responses. I am very appreciative that you take the time to respond and are so open with us. Watching out for you is the least we can do in return.

This is great that you have established the scope of Lana's feelings and it sounds like the two of you are much more in sync again. I didn't get the impression that Lana was communicating with Shawn in an emotional cheating kind of way, more that she had compartmentalized those feelings while away from him and that they would resurface once they were together again. But I think you can feel confident and reassured that Lana knows and accepts how you feel and gives you the ultimate say in the matter. Letting you increase it or decrease it as you feel comfortable.

I also think you deserve recognition for not only grappling with your emotions and communicating them, but also for setting some boundaries. I don't think I would be able to. I think I would be too caught up in the arousal and hotness of the situation and let my SO go as far as she can go, perhaps even encouraging her to say it first while they are making love to each other, staring into each others eyes, as she is about to cum. I probably would even allow it outside of sex, even if it hurt me, choosing to swallow the hurt instead because I had encouraged it. Alas, I am not as good at communicating as you W, and I would probably end up retreating into myself rather than being open. I still have a ways to go, but you are an inspiration W.

Knowing what we know now, I agree with parmaham55 that Lana's feelings for Shawn shouldn't be viewed as less feelings for W. And I agree as well with lovethis that everyone involved has been respectful of eachothers boundaries, when they have been properly communicated. Thus the development of emotions doesn't need to be viewed as threatening.

Two additional points of interest:
1. Lana came TWICE by you hand while she was staring at Shawn during the video call. I think she can't wait for him to be inside her again.
2. You've mentioned several times now the idea of being denied access to Lana's pussy while Shawn is there. I'm almost starting to think you like that idea... Maybe if you are only denied penetration you can still go down on her after Shawn has filled her up, as your way to reconnect with Lana...

I would wish you well, but I see there are so many new posts already that I will be responding again shortly!

[3532734dreamer]

Thanks for all the updates. Looks like a fun 6 weeks ahead!
The discussions about them saying ‘I love you’ is interesting. I’m sure they do. There’s a difference between loving someone and being ‘in love’ with someone. It sounds like he may be in love but she ‘loves’ him and is ‘in love’ with you.

A part of me thinks you're right. Because if she was "in love" with Shawn, I feel like she would spend more time talking with him, message him cutesy things, wanting to know all about him, basically the things you do when you're in love.

The only thing that gives me pause and makes me think that she's very much "in love" is how her body moved and reacted to him while they had me watch as they made love. They were face to face the entire time, his chest up against hers, staring into each other's eyes when they weren't kissing, the way she arched her back when they came together, how tightly she pulled him in with her legs, how she grabbed his ass with her hands as he was cumming, it all signaled to me that she was very much in love. After he had regained his strength and was about to pull out of her and roll over, she stopped him and told him to stay inside of her and spent the next few minutes kissing. And to think, they had spent an entire weekend doing that multiple times all over his apartment, on top of every surface, in the shower, in his bed, etc. Who knows. Maybe it's infatuation.

You know your wife and she knows you. Of course a hotwife must have feelings for her boyfriend but by the sounds of it your communication and trust for each other is spot on. You are a cuckold and Shawn knows how to push your buttons. He knows his place and accepts it. If he was madly in love with Lana then nothing would have stopped him from moving to your location as he contemplated. Sure they have feelings of love for each other. Yes you will feel some insecurities but can you ever stop the hunger you crave. And now can Lana ever stop as well. You and Shawn have a bond. You have spoken to him about certain limits before Lana went to Cali. Has he respected those concerns you raised.

Thank you. Your post made me feel more at ease. I think it's normal for a woman especially to develop feelings with someone she sleeps with. And Lana definitely has something about her that gets guys to fall for her rather quickly. I'm pretty glad that if she had to fall in love with anyone in the past year, it's Shawn and not Adam.

Hi again.

While I agree with KevDi69, your observation W makes me wonder if the situation is a bit more nuanced. Lana loves Shawn, certainly not as deeply as she loves you and might not be in love with him. But she sure seems to be "in love" with the sex they have. The way he fucks her, the way he makes love to her, the way he makes her cum again and again, the way he cums hard and deep inside her, the way he gets hard for her again, and the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc.. rounds that he can go.

That might be where Lana's strongest emotional attachment (sex = emotions) lies. Of course it helps that Shawn is big, good looking, muscular and has a friendly and good personality. But they don't have the years of understanding and trust building, the investment of time, energy, sweat and tears, or the feelings of being soulmates that exist between Lana and W.

But as long as the communication between the three of you remains free, open and honest, it would be reasonable that there shouldn't be any feelings of jealousy, hurt or bitterness. You might be feeling envious of what Shawn can do sexually to Lana. Fuck, I feel envious of him while I'm sitting here in my corner of the world. But that's not the same emotion as jealousy. When I feel envious of someone else, I acknowledge it and try to be happy for what the other person has instead of focusing on myself. Who knows, there might be something else the other person is envious of you for having or doing. And I'm not sure where I'm going with this, I seem to have gone off on a tangent. You got this W, and I am envious of you too.

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[3532734dreamer]

If Lana can bring herself to share Shawn with one of her best friends, then that a sure sign that her love for him is not threatening to you. Lana is not showing any signs of jealousy over Shawn so far. Any sense of possessiveness on her part would perhaps be a sign of something deeper.

Lana doesn’t even need to ask you to be faithful fully to her, that’s a given, and deep. When/If she seeks that in Shawn too, perhaps that’s another level to seek, stepping into true poly relationship.

For example, she may enjoy the high of having Cara at a hot, sexy party with her and Shawn and Eric, but what if Shawn then hooks up with Cara later, one-on-one. How would Lana cope with that?

It's a good question and I feel like one that can only be answered only after Lana sees hypothetically Shawn and Cara together. She's been jealous of me noticing other beautiful women before, so it might speak to her level of love for Shawn if she doesn't get jealous of Shawn with other women.

Oh, wait, yes... I see what you mean. Cara. Yes, that'd be good to know.

Time to describe Caras celebrity look alike!

It's funny what separation/divorce will do. Since it became official, Cara has colored her hair a lighter brown and styled it somewhat differently. When Lana showed me a picture, I swear I thought it was a picture of this one model, Helen Owen. She's objectively a very good looking woman, but maybe it's just chemistry, but I've never been attracted to her. Lana let Shawn know the situation and sent pictures of Cara to him and he responded with "wow... Birds of a feather... You both are drop dead gorgeous."

Lana also let him know of Cara's martial situation and he said "looks like I'll be fucking two married women soon."

At this point, I really hope Cara and Cory don't get back together because I don't think he'll be able to handle getting back with Cara and hearing that she was with Shawn and maybe Shawn and Eric with Lana while they were separated.

W, if Cara joins in a foursome with Lana, Shawn and Eric, do you think you would be allowed to cleanup Cara as well?

Hmm.. I'm not sure actually. Cara has made comments in the past about finding me attractive, and like I said above, she is very objectively attractive, but I've never felt that way towards her. But when you factor in the "heat of the moment" decision making, it's hard to say.

I can't keep up. Ok, last post in a row, then at least a few hours break, promise.

Interesting development with Cara. Very curious if both Cara and Lana would be open to doing something together (as in at the same time and not with each other, necessarily), like a foursome (with Eric), couples swap or just being in the same room or on the same bed.

Sorry W, I don't see you getting anything besides a view of the action, if even that. That might be a hard boundary for Lana, even if she might not be aware of it. You have been selfless so far in that there hasn't been any reciprocity for you - your enjoyment is from the cuckold situation and Lana's enjoyment, not from another woman. If she sees you with another woman it might affect her more than she could realise. Would you be willing to risk that?

And would Cara even be comfortable with you watching her? With you stroking yourself? Would YOU be comfortable in front of her, while probably being compared to Shawn and Eric?

I mean it would be hot for sure, but you are also expanding the circle with a friend of Lana's and not some hung guy (as Shawn was in the beginning, he obviously isn't some hung guy anymore). Though maybe it would be positive for Lana, I have no idea here.

Now I will be reminded of the foursome couples swap Lana and Shawn had while she was in Cali. Where they both admitted after to feelings of jealousy at seeing each other having sex with someone else. So maybe a couple swap isn't the most likely scenario. Maybe Lana/Shawn and Cara/Erik having sex in the same room or on the same bed even is more likely. Hmm.. now I'm really starting to wonder what Cara's face would look like watching Lana and Shawn making love.. Surprise, shock, envy..? Argh, I'm getting carried away again.

So, W... Any thoughts yet on an anniversary "present" for Lana and Shawn?

Wish you, Lana and everyone all the best.

[Jujube]

I think there is no doubt that Lana is in love with Shawn, and I think it started with the late night “ cheating “ sessions and was cemented when she went out to California. I think the Cara/Erik possible inclusion is just a kinky twist to an already super hot situation. The main show is Lana and Shawn. I think it’s over the top hot that they are in love, and given the dynamic with W, perfectly natural and ok. If W is going to be celibate and denied the whole three weeks, I would expect several involuntary orgasms on his part. At least I’d ask to be jacked off about it in front of Shawn, Lana telling W how much better he fucks her. Finally, I think when W is doing his cleanup duty, it would be hot to clean up Shawn as well, cementing his place in the cuckold hierarchy. I can’t wait until December!

[w770]

As far as your question about in what circumstances they've told each other they love each other, Lana told me that it's only been in the context of during and right after they've made love, and it's always him saying it first to her. They've also had talks about their feelings while cuddling in bed where he's asked about it turning into something more, how I factor into it, and how it's his first time being in love. She's made it very clear to him that I'm the love of her life and her soulmate, and no matter how she feels for him, nothing will ever change that fact, so if their relationship and love evolves, it will without a doubt have to have me as a part of it. She told me that he wasn't upset by this and in fact, very understanding. He's changed greatly in a year and his emotional development is really impressive.

After reading your concerns, I checked Lana's phone (it's fine, we have an open phone policy between us) and looked at the chat between her and Shawn and I have no doubts that she's being completely honest and open with me about what she claims her relationship is like with Shawn.

In regards to the question about how I'll feel if and when they make love and tell each other their feelings in front of me - as of this moment, I feel like I will be able to handle it, but that could be me being naive as I have been so many times in the last year. I mentioned this to Lana and that it's the biggest thing I'm trying to handle right now. It was one thing to watch her on all fours screaming out how much better he fucks than me. It's entirely something else seeing him slowly and passionately thrust in and out of her while they stare into each other's eyes, her hands clasped together behind his neck and her legs pulling him tightly. She's been incredibly sensitive to my feelings and we've agreed that outside of saying it to him during and right after making love, she will not tell him that she loves him in any other context without clearing it with me first. And I still have full stop powers and can use it whenever I see fit.

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35532734dreamer and you, along with a lot of other posters have been very accurate in your warnings and telling me to always be vigilant in looking for red flags and to constantly check my blind spots. I understand that Lana has had some instances of not revealing full truths until later, but I've never found any secret communication between her and other guys, nothing where she's outright lied to me in a way that I've considered to be important (taking Adam's bare cock probably being the biggest, pun intended, and even that wasn't something that I found to be something we couldn't easily get past).

Ultimately, I feel like she really understands this kink now, whereas before we ever met Shawn, she would just always tell me it was just a weird little fetish that I was into whenever I asked her to at least role play scenarios where I was a different guy and she was cheating on me.

I really do feel more confident than worried about our future exploration into this lifestyle and I'm very grateful to have people constantly checking my blind spots.

...

Update: we're at Lana's parents' place but we found some time to sneak off and have some fun. We video called Shawn, and had him watch. And what has become a part of our foreplay, she denied me her making love to her, and instead I gave her oral. I made her cum twice while she stared right into the camera for Shawn while he watched.

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Yeah he was having Thanksgiving dinner with some friend's family's house at the time so he had to sneak off to the bathroom to watch, .

Update: I tend to wake up earlier than everyone, usually for the gym, but especially whenever we stay with her parents as my back usually hates sleeping on the bed they have in their spare bedroom. So I'm fully awake now with a raging hard on, wanting really badly to either wake Lana up and make love or at least jerk off, neither of which will be happening. It just dawned on me that although Shawn comes here in 3 weeks, that I might be denied Lana's pussy until after he leaves, which means I might not be able to cum for 6 weeks. I really don't know if that's possible...

Hi w770.

You are really killing it with the responses. I am very appreciative that you take the time to respond and are so open with us. Watching out for you is the least we can do in return.

This is great that you have established the scope of Lana's feelings and it sounds like the two of you are much more in sync again. I didn't get the impression that Lana was communicating with Shawn in an emotional cheating kind of way, more that she had compartmentalized those feelings while away from him and that they would resurface once they were together again. But I think you can feel confident and reassured that Lana knows and accepts how you feel and gives you the ultimate say in the matter. Letting you increase it or decrease it as you feel comfortable.

I also think you deserve recognition for not only grappling with your emotions and communicating them, but also for setting some boundaries. I don't think I would be able to. I think I would be too caught up in the arousal and hotness of the situation and let my SO go as far as she can go, perhaps even encouraging her to say it first while they are making love to each other, staring into each others eyes, as she is about to cum. I probably would even allow it outside of sex, even if it hurt me, choosing to swallow the hurt instead because I had encouraged it. Alas, I am not as good at communicating as you W, and I would probably end up retreating into myself rather than being open. I still have a ways to go, but you are an inspiration W.

Knowing what we know now, I agree with parmaham55 that Lana's feelings for Shawn shouldn't be viewed as less feelings for W. And I agree as well with lovethis that everyone involved has been respectful of eachothers boundaries, when they have been properly communicated. Thus the development of emotions doesn't need to be viewed as threatening.

Two additional points of interest:
1. Lana came TWICE by you hand while she was staring at Shawn during the video call. I think she can't wait for him to be inside her again.
2. You've mentioned several times now the idea of being denied access to Lana's pussy while Shawn is there. I'm almost starting to think you like that idea... Maybe if you are only denied penetration you can still go down on her after Shawn has filled her up, as your way to reconnect with Lana...

I would wish you well, but I see there are so many new posts already that I will be responding again shortly!

Thank you and I have a hard time believing that you struggle with communication considering how you've expressed your thoughts here. Anyway, as to your two points here - yes, I agree that Lana is very much anticipating having Shawn's hard cock inside of her again. She also really get turned on when she imagines it happening in front of me. And to your other point, yes the denial act has been incorporated into how we've played this out, as it's a form of foreplay at this point.

Thanks for all the updates. Looks like a fun 6 weeks ahead!
The discussions about them saying ‘I love you’ is interesting. I’m sure they do. There’s a difference between loving someone and being ‘in love’ with someone. It sounds like he may be in love but she ‘loves’ him and is ‘in love’ with you.

A part of me thinks you're right. Because if she was "in love" with Shawn, I feel like she would spend more time talking with him, message him cutesy things, wanting to know all about him, basically the things you do when you're in love.

The only thing that gives me pause and makes me think that she's very much "in love" is how her body moved and reacted to him while they had me watch as they made love. They were face to face the entire time, his chest up against hers, staring into each other's eyes when they weren't kissing, the way she arched her back when they came together, how tightly she pulled him in with her legs, how she grabbed his ass with her hands as he was cumming, it all signaled to me that she was very much in love. After he had regained his strength and was about to pull out of her and roll over, she stopped him and told him to stay inside of her and spent the next few minutes kissing. And to think, they had spent an entire weekend doing that multiple times all over his apartment, on top of every surface, in the shower, in his bed, etc. Who knows. Maybe it's infatuation.

Thank you. Your post made me feel more at ease. I think it's normal for a woman especially to develop feelings with someone she sleeps with. And Lana definitely has something about her that gets guys to fall for her rather quickly. I'm pretty glad that if she had to fall in love with anyone in the past year, it's Shawn and not Adam.

Hi again.

While I agree with KevDi69, your observation W makes me wonder if the situation is a bit more nuanced. Lana loves Shawn, certainly not as deeply as she loves you and might not be in love with him. But she sure seems to be "in love" with the sex they have. The way he fucks her, the way he makes love to her, the way he makes her cum again and again, the way he cums hard and deep inside her, the way he gets hard for her again, and the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc.. rounds that he can go.

That might be where Lana's strongest emotional attachment (sex = emotions) lies. Of course it helps that Shawn is big, good looking, muscular and has a friendly and good personality. But they don't have the years of understanding and trust building, the investment of time, energy, sweat and tears, or the feelings of being soulmates that exist between Lana and W.

But as long as the communication between the three of you remains free, open and honest, it would be reasonable that there shouldn't be any feelings of jealousy, hurt or bitterness. You might be feeling envious of what Shawn can do sexually to Lana. Fuck, I feel envious of him while I'm sitting here in my corner of the world. But that's not the same emotion as jealousy. When I feel envious of someone else, I acknowledge it and try to be happy for what the other person has instead of focusing on myself. Who knows, there might be something else the other person is envious of you for having or doing. And I'm not sure where I'm going with this, I seem to have gone off on a tangent. You got this W, and I am envious of you too.

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You make a really interesting divide between jealousy and envy and for the most part, I agree. I very much envy that Shawn, along with her other lovers in the past year, have all reached deeper inside her pussy than I have, and in that way, "know" her in a way I never will in that they know how she feels that far up. They've also seen her cum in a way I've never been able to bring her to and I envy that. But the thing I envy the most is how given the circumstances, they get to experience the side of her that is free from responsibilities, baggage, and all of the other things that come along with being with a partner for as long as we have been together. They get to see and have the side of her that is carefree and sexually submissive, which in turn, inspires their masculine side even more, which in turn, inspires more femininity out of her. I envy it, but don't wish to take away from anyone's experience as I'm happy for her and them.

If Lana can bring herself to share Shawn with one of her best friends, then that a sure sign that her love for him is not threatening to you. Lana is not showing any signs of jealousy over Shawn so far. Any sense of possessiveness on her part would perhaps be a sign of something deeper.

Lana doesn’t even need to ask you to be faithful fully to her, that’s a given, and deep. When/If she seeks that in Shawn too, perhaps that’s another level to seek, stepping into true poly relationship.

For example, she may enjoy the high of having Cara at a hot, sexy party with her and Shawn and Eric, but what if Shawn then hooks up with Cara later, one-on-one. How would Lana cope with that?

It's a good question and I feel like one that can only be answered only after Lana sees hypothetically Shawn and Cara together. She's been jealous of me noticing other beautiful women before, so it might speak to her level of love for Shawn if she doesn't get jealous of Shawn with other women.

Oh, wait, yes... I see what you mean. Cara. Yes, that'd be good to know.

Time to describe Caras celebrity look alike!

It's funny what separation/divorce will do. Since it became official, Cara has colored her hair a lighter brown and styled it somewhat differently. When Lana showed me a picture, I swear I thought it was a picture of this one model, Helen Owen. She's objectively a very good looking woman, but maybe it's just chemistry, but I've never been attracted to her. Lana let Shawn know the situation and sent pictures of Cara to him and he responded with "wow... Birds of a feather... You both are drop dead gorgeous."

Lana also let him know of Cara's martial situation and he said "looks like I'll be fucking two married women soon."

At this point, I really hope Cara and Cory don't get back together because I don't think he'll be able to handle getting back with Cara and hearing that she was with Shawn and maybe Shawn and Eric with Lana while they were separated.

W, if Cara joins in a foursome with Lana, Shawn and Eric, do you think you would be allowed to cleanup Cara as well?

Hmm.. I'm not sure actually. Cara has made comments in the past about finding me attractive, and like I said above, she is very objectively attractive, but I've never felt that way towards her. But when you factor in the "heat of the moment" decision making, it's hard to say.

I can't keep up. Ok, last post in a row, then at least a few hours break, promise.

Interesting development with Cara. Very curious if both Cara and Lana would be open to doing something together (as in at the same time and not with each other, necessarily), like a foursome (with Eric), couples swap or just being in the same room or on the same bed.

Sorry W, I don't see you getting anything besides a view of the action, if even that. That might be a hard boundary for Lana, even if she might not be aware of it. You have been selfless so far in that there hasn't been any reciprocity for you - your enjoyment is from the cuckold situation and Lana's enjoyment, not from another woman. If she sees you with another woman it might affect her more than she could realise. Would you be willing to risk that?

And would Cara even be comfortable with you watching her? With you stroking yourself? Would YOU be comfortable in front of her, while probably being compared to Shawn and Eric?

I mean it would be hot for sure, but you are also expanding the circle with a friend of Lana's and not some hung guy (as Shawn was in the beginning, he obviously isn't some hung guy anymore). Though maybe it would be positive for Lana, I have no idea here.

Now I will be reminded of the foursome couples swap Lana and Shawn had while she was in Cali. Where they both admitted after to feelings of jealousy at seeing each other having sex with someone else. So maybe a couple swap isn't the most likely scenario. Maybe Lana/Shawn and Cara/Erik having sex in the same room or on the same bed even is more likely. Hmm.. now I'm really starting to wonder what Cara's face would look like watching Lana and Shawn making love.. Surprise, shock, envy..? Argh, I'm getting carried away again.

So, W... Any thoughts yet on an anniversary "present" for Lana and Shawn?

Wish you, Lana and everyone all the best.

This is really interesting as I haven't committed too much thought to it yet. But now that you mention it, I really don't think that I can feel comfortable opening up that side of myself to Cara. In our friend group, I'm seen as a pretty masculine, assertive, and (not tooting my own horn here) but attractive guy, and our friends have all described Lana and I as the dream couple. They have no idea of this side of me and our lives, other than Cara. But to the extent that Cara is aware of, I don't think she is aware of how far we go in terms of the comments exchanged between Shawn, Lana, and myself, I don't think she knows of my inadequacy in terms of size and stamina, and I don't think I'm ready for her to know that side. So if there is a scenario where Cara in fact does get involved, I don't think I could bring myself to be present. And furthermore, if there were a Shawn/Eric/Lana/Cara situation, I would imagine that Lana would get jealous if Cara were to be with Shawn. She expressed to me how after some reflection, she really didn't like watching Shawn with Brad's girlfriend, furthering the notion that she's in love with him.

Your last question about the anniversary "present" - no thought yet given to that. I'll bring it up later tonight and see what she thinks.

I think there is no doubt that Lana is in love with Shawn, and I think it started with the late night “ cheating “ sessions and was cemented when she went out to California. I think the Cara/Erik possible inclusion is just a kinky twist to an already super hot situation. The main show is Lana and Shawn. I think it’s over the top hot that they are in love, and given the dynamic with W, perfectly natural and ok. If W is going to be celibate and denied the whole three weeks, I would expect several involuntary orgasms on his part. At least I’d ask to be jacked off about it in front of Shawn, Lana telling W how much better he fucks her. Finally, I think when W is doing his cleanup duty, it would be hot to clean up Shawn as well, cementing his place in the cuckold hierarchy. I can’t wait until December!

So it's about 3 weeks until he arrives, and I think he plans to stay for 3 weeks, so in the scenario where I'm denied Lana's pussy during that time, I might have to wait 6 weeks before I cum, which I honestly don't think I can do. So I think the picture you paint, in which I'm jacked off in front of Shawn, is the most likely.

Update: We just got home from Lana's parents' place, and Lana told me that she's incredibly horny. She's in the shower now and I'm about to jump in my own shower. The plan is to call up Shawn and Lana will play with her toy for him while I watch them enjoy each other. I'm going to try my best to not touch myself, but I don't see how that's going to be possible.

[snoogaloo82]

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Update: We just got home from Lana's parents' place, and Lana told me that she's incredibly horny. She's in the shower now and I'm about to jump in my own shower. The plan is to call up Shawn and Lana will play with her toy for him while I watch them enjoy each other. I'm going to try my best to not touch myself, but I don't see how that's going to be possible.

I don't see how that's possible either! lol

[Mlv4]

Hi, W. Didn’t think your situation could get any hotter, but in three weeks it will turn absolutely volcanic.

After his folks leave for Florida, do you anticipate Shawn spending most if not every night in your marital bed with Lana? Given the aroused state Lana is in this evening, would she be willing to discuss with Shawn on the chat tonight some of the things she wants him to do to her and tell him how much she loves him as you listen in?

[Butterfly411980]

W- your journey and your ability to tell it is remarkable. This was the first post I read when I joined a few months ago and it's such an amazing journey. You're such a likable man and I find myself rooting for you as your story moves along. But do you ever get the sense that you're living a real life sexual case study of Pavlov's theory? From the outside it really seems like Lana has been conditioned over the year to equate sexual satisfaction and desire with only with Shawn. It would seem that after a year being told to scream Shawn's name or say she loves Shawn while she orgasms or just recently you giving her oral sex and making her cum while looking at Shawn on the phone, it really seems her mind is being repeatedly trained to love Shawn and she can't get going sexually unless Shawn is involved. You had even mentioned this summer that her libido took a nose dive for awhile until reawakened when she got to visit Shawn and then again you said her libido was non-existent this Fall until news of Shawn's upcoming visit came about and now she is once again as horny as can be. Mind you the theory behind all this is that it's an involuntary response to a stimuli and so where as Lana would not be consciously trying to leave herself just for Shawn, it would seem subconsciously that is exactly what is happening.
You're a great guy and I hope you and Lana keep living your best life but be careful believing you can control what can't be controlled. Remember how much things have changed from when your journey started and how it went from her never being able to sleep with someone else, to taking the plunge but always being honest with each other, to being able to differentiate between sex and love. All those things got changed over the year to varying degrees. I know she says she'd never risk the marriage, but things change. Remember this lifestyle can be like a drug sometimes and can very easily cloud judgment. You and Lana are clearly a great pair, with a lot of love. Don't let the drug push you to a point you can't get back from. You've made a lifetime of memories this year, be sure to you still have Lana to share them with when this journey is over. Best of luck to you both on this journey and thank you for being kind enough to share it.

[w770]

Hi, W. Didn’t think your situation could get any hotter, but in three weeks it will turn absolutely volcanic.

After his folks leave for Florida, do you anticipate Shawn spending most if not every night in your marital bed with Lana? Given the aroused state Lana is in this evening, would she be willing to discuss with Shawn on the chat tonight some of the things she wants him to do to her and tell him how much she loves him as you listen in?

We just finished up our time with Shawn for the night and I'll hand Lana my phone for a bit and then I'll give the update.

Lana - Hi everyone! I've read most of the comments and W says he is very much indebted to this page for the advice. Okay, so the question is what I would want Shawn to do to me and whether I would want W to listen in on it. Well.... Shawn has been my favorite lover over the past year. He's physically made me feel things that I never thought were possible and we have a connection that is hard for me to explain. If the question is what I want him to do to me, I would hav eto say that I would wish for him to keep doing whatever he does for me when we've been together. He gives me full body orgasms like I've never felt before, and for all the men out there - women have clitoral orgasms and full body orgasms. Full bodied orgasms are rare and Shawn is able to get me there consistently. You also asked whether I would want W to listen in on how much I love Shawn. This is a diffuclt question. I get a lot of my pleasure knowing that W is turned on by the entire expreience, and that includes me being in love with Shawn. So if he gets turned on by hearing how much I love Shawn, I will absolutely be lloud enough for him to hear and feel it, because that is what he likes. Okay, bye for now!

[w770]

W- your journey and your ability to tell it is remarkable. This was the first post I read when I joined a few months ago and it's such an amazing journey. You're such a likable man and I find myself rooting for you as your story moves along. But do you ever get the sense that you're living a real life sexual case study of Pavlov's theory? From the outside it really seems like Lana has been conditioned over the year to equate sexual satisfaction and desire with only with Shawn. It would seem that after a year being told to scream Shawn's name or say she loves Shawn while she orgasms or just recently you giving her oral sex and making her cum while looking at Shawn on the phone, it really seems her mind is being repeatedly trained to love Shawn and she can't get going sexually unless Shawn is involved. You had even mentioned this summer that her libido took a nose dive for awhile until reawakened when she got to visit Shawn and then again you said her libido was non-existent this Fall until news of Shawn's upcoming visit came about and now she is once again as horny as can be. Mind you the theory behind all this is that it's an involuntary response to a stimuli and so where as Lana would not be consciously trying to leave herself just for Shawn, it would seem subconsciously that is exactly what is happening.
You're a great guy and I hope you and Lana keep living your best life but be careful believing you can control what can't be controlled. Remember how much things have changed from when your journey started and how it went from her never being able to sleep with someone else, to taking the plunge but always being honest with each other, to being able to differentiate between sex and love. All those things got changed over the year to varying degrees. I know she says she'd never risk the marriage, but things change. Remember this lifestyle can be like a drug sometimes and can very easily cloud judgment. You and Lana are clearly a great pair, with a lot of love. Don't let the drug push you to a point you can't get back from. You've made a lifetime of memories this year, be sure to you still have Lana to share them with when this journey is over. Best of luck to you both on this journey and thank you for being kind enough to share it.

I just saw this post after Lana hit Submit, so I'll let her answer.

Lana: HI again! Okay so I'll respond to the idea that my libido dropped and came back suddenly with Shawn. I'll admit that my sex drive did in fact dip over teh summer, but that was only because I was stressed and feeling sick from being pregnant. W is an absolute diamond in the rough and from a woman's perspective, he's a total catch, so I'm lucky to have him. My sex drive hsa nothing to do with him , and more about how my body responded to everything. but, when I went to visit Shawn in CA, I went through what is common for a lot of women at a certain point in pregnancy which is a period of calm, so the timing worked out quite well. Am I excited about Shawn visiting ? 100%. He and I have a connection that is hard to explain but in additon to that, he and W have a bond that I have grown to love. I'm a lucky LUCKY lady. Thank you for your well wishes on our journey. I'll speak for W but also for myself, when I say that we really appreciate it.

[w770]

Update: We just got off the phone with Shawn. I watched them both get off to each other and was miraculously able to keep from getting myself off. Lana played with her toy while Shawn stroked himself, talking about what they wanted to do to each other, her telling him how much she would submit to him, him telling her how he would dominate her, while I subtly touched myself through my shorts on the couch in the room. About to go to bed now, but I'll try and update more substantively tomrrow.

[Mlv4]

Hi, W.

Please tell Lana thank you and that I am honored to be, out of what has to be over 100 commenters, the first one she directly replied to…..as far as I can tell.

Can you, or her, answer me if you think Shawn will spend each and every night in bed with Lana after his folks depart for Florida? Will they occasionally want exclusivity and prefer you to take the couch or guest room on those nights? If so, will you be happy to comply as you listen to them make love all night long?

Thanks.

[tojanman]

This was a first and very enjoyable twist! I loved hearing from Lana directly! You made connection with her person (Shawn) and it’s cool to see her making a connection with your people! (#oneofus).

Question for both of you: Has Will ever been able to give Lana a full-body orgasm?

[newUK]

This whole thread and scenario!!!

Just when you think it can’t get any hotter… Cara is thrown into the mix and boom… Lana is commenting too!

W: Worth asking Lana if she wants her own profile on here? She can read and comment at her leisure then? And she can maybe save some details of events to tell us all here before you :-P
For example: “Hi all, W is asleep so I’m sneaking off to see Shawn”

[Shauncuckold]

I love that Lana is commenting. I can’t wait to hear more from her.

Mr. Swan

[w770]

Hi, W.

Please tell Lana thank you and that I am honored to be, out of what has to be over 100 commenters, the first one she directly replied to…..as far as I can tell.

Can you, or her, answer me if you think Shawn will spend each and every night in bed with Lana after his folks depart for Florida? Will they occasionally want exclusivity and prefer you to take the couch or guest room on those nights? If so, will you be happy to comply as you listen to them make love all night long?

Thanks.

It's a good question, and I'll have to ask Lana what she thinks when she's up. But if I had to guess, I'll be spending a lot of nights in the second bedroom or the living room couch when Shawn is here. I also have to work until the 18th for a client deadline that I can't put off while Lana will probably be off from the 15th to the end of the year, meaning that they're will be a few days when Shawn is here where I'll have to work and Lana doesn't. I predict on those days, I'll either go into the office or Lana will be over at Shawn's place.

This was a first and very enjoyable twist! I loved hearing from Lana directly! You made connection with her person (Shawn) and it’s cool to see her making a connection with your people! (#oneofus).

Question for both of you: Has Will ever been able to give Lana a full-body orgasm?

I believe there were a few times when we first started dating that I gave her a full bodied orgasm, but since then, it's only been clitoral orgasms through oral.

It's still crazy to me that Shawn gives her full bodied orgasms so effortlessly to the point where her entire body is convulsing and her moans are essentially screams.

This whole thread and scenario!!!

Just when you think it can’t get any hotter… Cara is thrown into the mix and boom… Lana is commenting too!

W: Worth asking Lana if she wants her own profile on here? She can read and comment at her leisure then? And she can maybe save some details of events to tell us all here before you :-P
For example: “Hi all, W is asleep so I’m sneaking off to see Shawn”

I've asked Lana before about setting up her own profile but she's always maintained that she'd rather I just recite to her the thoughts of the community. The only social media she regularly uses is Twitter, and even there, she never posts, but rather just scrolls at celebrity tweets.

Update: I woke up this morning to a text from Shawn. Apparently he sent it right after he and Lana were done playing with each other. "Dude. I'm so in love with your wife. I hope you're okay with that."

I just wrote back "I know. She's impossible not to fall in love with."

I don't know where this is headed because I think logistics and reality will eventually set in where because of work, he will have to stay in California and our lives will eventually change with the baby and therefore, our priorities.

Time to start my morning routine and get ready for the gym. Hope everyone has a good day.

[w770]

W- your journey and your ability to tell it is remarkable. This was the first post I read when I joined a few months ago and it's such an amazing journey. You're such a likable man and I find myself rooting for you as your story moves along. But do you ever get the sense that you're living a real life sexual case study of Pavlov's theory? From the outside it really seems like Lana has been conditioned over the year to equate sexual satisfaction and desire with only with Shawn. It would seem that after a year being told to scream Shawn's name or say she loves Shawn while she orgasms or just recently you giving her oral sex and making her cum while looking at Shawn on the phone, it really seems her mind is being repeatedly trained to love Shawn and she can't get going sexually unless Shawn is involved. You had even mentioned this summer that her libido took a nose dive for awhile until reawakened when she got to visit Shawn and then again you said her libido was non-existent this Fall until news of Shawn's upcoming visit came about and now she is once again as horny as can be. Mind you the theory behind all this is that it's an involuntary response to a stimuli and so where as Lana would not be consciously trying to leave herself just for Shawn, it would seem subconsciously that is exactly what is happening.
You're a great guy and I hope you and Lana keep living your best life but be careful believing you can control what can't be controlled. Remember how much things have changed from when your journey started and how it went from her never being able to sleep with someone else, to taking the plunge but always being honest with each other, to being able to differentiate between sex and love. All those things got changed over the year to varying degrees. I know she says she'd never risk the marriage, but things change. Remember this lifestyle can be like a drug sometimes and can very easily cloud judgment. You and Lana are clearly a great pair, with a lot of love. Don't let the drug push you to a point you can't get back from. You've made a lifetime of memories this year, be sure to you still have Lana to share them with when this journey is over. Best of luck to you both on this journey and thank you for being kind enough to share it.

This is a really thoughtful post and I'll be sure to respond to it later today after the gym and morning duties, as I don't think Lana hit some points that I wanted to make

[Whenwillshe]

Love is a strange thing and the risk/ reward ratio is very high in this relationship.
Hopefully everything continues to work out but this is such a unique dynamic that I think.the downside will eventually cause someone to be left out.
Thanks for sharing so much

[w770]

W- your journey and your ability to tell it is remarkable. This was the first post I read when I joined a few months ago and it's such an amazing journey. You're such a likable man and I find myself rooting for you as your story moves along. But do you ever get the sense that you're living a real life sexual case study of Pavlov's theory? From the outside it really seems like Lana has been conditioned over the year to equate sexual satisfaction and desire with only with Shawn. It would seem that after a year being told to scream Shawn's name or say she loves Shawn while she orgasms or just recently you giving her oral sex and making her cum while looking at Shawn on the phone, it really seems her mind is being repeatedly trained to love Shawn and she can't get going sexually unless Shawn is involved. You had even mentioned this summer that her libido took a nose dive for awhile until reawakened when she got to visit Shawn and then again you said her libido was non-existent this Fall until news of Shawn's upcoming visit came about and now she is once again as horny as can be. Mind you the theory behind all this is that it's an involuntary response to a stimuli and so where as Lana would not be consciously trying to leave herself just for Shawn, it would seem subconsciously that is exactly what is happening.
You're a great guy and I hope you and Lana keep living your best life but be careful believing you can control what can't be controlled. Remember how much things have changed from when your journey started and how it went from her never being able to sleep with someone else, to taking the plunge but always being honest with each other, to being able to differentiate between sex and love. All those things got changed over the year to varying degrees. I know she says she'd never risk the marriage, but things change. Remember this lifestyle can be like a drug sometimes and can very easily cloud judgment. You and Lana are clearly a great pair, with a lot of love. Don't let the drug push you to a point you can't get back from. You've made a lifetime of memories this year, be sure to you still have Lana to share them with when this journey is over. Best of luck to you both on this journey and thank you for being kind enough to share it.

So I wanted to touch upon the points you made in this post. Do I think the resulting circumstance I find myself in and Lana in turn, is in part due to her being Pavlov-ed, so to speak: I think there is a lot of credence to support this idea, however, I think it may have taken place as a derivative rather than as the primary intent in Shawn's actions. I think he's very skilled in his way with Lana, and likely with women in general, and he knows how to be exactly what is desirable to the opposite sex. And that's just in his basic interaction in public. The way he is with her bed tells me that he knows exactly what he's doing, from how he teases Lana, to the way he talks dirty and seductively, to the way he controls his orgasm so that they cum at the same time. He's an impressive specimen.

Update: Lana and I talked about the possibility to bringing Cara into the fold, and she feels that she could handle Shawn and Cara together if it was a threesome situation, but for some reason, she thinks she would get too jealous if it was Lana/Eric and Shawn/Cara. If Eric is there, it would be more of a Lana/Shawn and Cara/Eric pairing that she would be more comfortable with. I messaged Shawn about this and he said, "As long as I get another pair of panties to add to my collection. Lets hope her husband never finds out lol."

For context, Cara and Lana have never done the classic girl on girl thing in college. However, they would usually hook up with the same guys, and according to Lana, she would always get them first and Cara would get her sloppy seconds weeks later. So if they were to both get with Shawn at the same time, it would be a first for them.

[w770]

Love is a strange thing and the risk/ reward ratio is very high in this relationship.
Hopefully everything continues to work out but this is such a unique dynamic that I think.the downside will eventually cause someone to be left out.
Thanks for sharing so much

I think Lana is above all else, smart and practical with major life decisions, so I don't see a scenario in which she leaves me and all that we've built for Shawn, as hard as she might fall for him. But thanks for looking out.

[venus-can99]

Great updates W and Lana. Looking forward to reading more when Shawn gets here and the best of the Holiday Season to all 3 of you

[rascalnvixen]

W, Just to let you know, there are folks here that don't comment much but still enjoy your posts all the same. Such a hot and enticing thread. I do have a question. When Shawn arrives for his visit and the three of you enjoy the sexual highs of their coupling, do you think there is any possibility of you taking and posting some anonymous pics of them? Your descriptions of Lana are so compelling that I sometimes feel like her cuck by denying us any image of such a HOT woman!!

You keep posting and I'll keep reading and imagining!!!!

Rascal

[gesdell]

You mentioned that you and Lana have an open phone policy, does that also apply to your computers and what you post here? Does she know where you go on the computer? I had to edit this post as I posted this after reading the previous page, not realizing that Lana posted here using your phone.