It might actually happen after years of telling me no.

[3532734dreamer]

There’s no way that I want to be a party pooper here, but there’s plenty of analysis and feelings being expressed about W and Lana, and from W and Lana. And now hearing it from Lana too.
But we should consider there are plenty more feelings in Shawn than people give credit.

Shawn may have originally be seen as playing some macho game, but remember he’s fallen in love with Lana (remember we’ve been told many times how men fall easily for Lana), so he deserves thought about how he wants a relationship, a proper relationship.

And to give himself, and to love a pregnant woman who is pregnant by a rival, is a big commitment. Perhaps he’s truly in love, and deserves some thought beyond the game of a pounding.

I know we like to sometimes focus on the poundings in this forum, but there's plenty of raw emotions here, and when we read the actual words of Lana it brings it home that there are three in this relationship now. Shawn is not Superman anymore, he's a person of interest...

Hi parmaham55.

Thank you for bringing this up. It was something I have also been considering, but hadn't decided when or how to articulate yet.

It was clear already at the beginning of the year that Shawn had feelings for Lana. But given the developments after Lana's Cali trip and other details that have emerged in the last few days it is clear that he is in love with Lana and interested, if not committed, to a relationship in some form to her and W.

This does make it more complicated as his feelings for Lana are quite strong and his bond to W seems also to be getting stronger. But we mostly have W's perspective here and haven't heard Shawn's. And though we can speculate that it may have started as a way of maintaining a relationship with Lana (since she said and he accepted that she would never leave W), it is hard to gauge how much of Shawn and W's bond is still based on Lana and how much has developed into a more bilateral relationship between the guys - it is there, just hard to quantify without knowing more from Shawn. But this opens up multiple vectors from which his feelings can be hurt.

Shawn and Lana have discussed their feelings while Shawn has more confessed his feelings for Lana to W (more clearly and directly since after Lana confessed hers toward Shawn to W). I don't recall if I have picked up on any discussions of feelings, expectations or desires (outside of "I want to make love to your wife", etc..) between Shawn and W. Also Shawn's feelings, expectations and desires are limited by the boundaries set by Lana and W - his relationship will always be secondary to that of Lana and W, his behaviour has to be respectful of that and of W while still walking a fine line of being sexually dominant. He does seem to know where his place is and how to act in it. As long as he is open to communicating his feelings and Lana and W are receptive to hearing them, he should at least not be in a position where he has no say or no choice.

But that is now. And his feelings about the arrangement can change in the future. Things will definitely be different when the baby arrives. And it's impossible to know at the moment what this triangle will look like then. I think he does have the option of continuing to be involved, even as say a friend without benefits, so I don't think he will be cast aside. I don't have the impression of Lana and W being those kind of people either - look at Adam, that continued for a long time despite how he was acting and finally ended amicably enough (or am I wrong?). Maybe we will have a better picture by the beginning of next year, after Shawn has been there.

I also don't know how much Shawn knows about this forum and what W writes. Would he even be interested or comfortable with W conveying his perspective to us? Would he considers writing here himself? Maybe in a few weeks when he's there, their might be more of an opportunity to get his perspective (in between cuddling with Lana and giving her full-body orgams)?

[3532734dreamer]

Hi, W. Didn’t think your situation could get any hotter, but in three weeks it will turn absolutely volcanic.

After his folks leave for Florida, do you anticipate Shawn spending most if not every night in your marital bed with Lana? Given the aroused state Lana is in this evening, would she be willing to discuss with Shawn on the chat tonight some of the things she wants him to do to her and tell him how much she loves him as you listen in?

We just finished up our time with Shawn for the night and I'll hand Lana my phone for a bit and then I'll give the update.

Lana - Hi everyone! I've read most of the comments and W says he is very much indebted to this page for the advice. Okay, so the question is what I would want Shawn to do to me and whether I would want W to listen in on it. Well.... Shawn has been my favorite lover over the past year. He's physically made me feel things that I never thought were possible and we have a connection that is hard for me to explain. If the question is what I want him to do to me, I would hav eto say that I would wish for him to keep doing whatever he does for me when we've been together. He gives me full body orgasms like I've never felt before, and for all the men out there - women have clitoral orgasms and full body orgasms. Full bodied orgasms are rare and Shawn is able to get me there consistently. You also asked whether I would want W to listen in on how much I love Shawn. This is a diffuclt question. I get a lot of my pleasure knowing that W is turned on by the entire expreience, and that includes me being in love with Shawn. So if he gets turned on by hearing how much I love Shawn, I will absolutely be lloud enough for him to hear and feel it, because that is what he likes. Okay, bye for now!

Hi w770 (and Lana).

It's so great that you've been giving us so many answers and updating us so often these past few days. Thank you so much for sharing that much. And it was great to hear from Lana too. Her input can only add to the value of this thread.

In response to Lana:
I am not expecting a reply to this post from you [Lana] as I know this thread is Ws project. However I would still like to convey my thanks to you (whether directly or through W) for sharing your thoughts and feelings on some of the matters that W and random people on the internet are discussing.

I hope you and the baby are well and continue to do well. It is not easy carrying a new life inside yourself with the changes, responsibilities and stress that arise as a result. But from what W tells us you are very driven and dedicated to ready for the next stage.

Some well meaning thoughts from my SO's and I experience with our first together (her second). There is no such thing as perfect. You can try to be as ready as you can but you still won't be (completely). That does not mean you shouldn't still try to be ready, you still need to try to be (which I think you and W are doing). Now you can try to plan everything thing out, to try to make things go a certain way, but in the end things will probably not go the way you expected. So try be the best you can be and don't worry about trying to be perfect.

In that there is also another important person to remember: yourself. It is very easy to forget yourself in all that will be happening and focus just on the beautiful new life you (both of you - but you [Lana] will have done most of the heavy lifting) you have brought into this world and making things work as a family. I can't tell you not to, but try to remember to keep a balance. You have had a transformative year and you may feel you have to give everything up, or not... There is no right way to do it. You have to figure that out as you go. Don't judge yourself by other people's morals. Hold true to your own ethics. Be the best you can be, don't try to be some impossible perfect or end up losing touch with yourself. Make sure W is doing his fair share of the work (it's 2023, not 1953). And I'm sure you will be a great mother. Good luck!

Now, onto the serious business. As I stated in the beginning, I am not writing this with the expectation of a response. So this part should be regarded as more of a provocation to thought. Be forewarned, I will be speculating a bit (or a lot).

By your own admission, you are in love with Shawn. Feelings that I think may have taken less than a month to start (from when you first invited him over while W was walking the dogs). To be fair, I don't think that was the same as what you feel now - and that is going to be an important point I am going to make.

When Shawn left for California, you compartmentalized those feelings. They went in a mental box and stayed there, mostly.. Maybe you would revisit those thoughts and emotions in you own mind, but you didn't let them out, express them. However, those feelings didn't go away. They were still there.

Jump to after the summer and there have been the experiences with the French guy and Adam (and Evan) (and I don't remember right now if there were others)... And then a chance to reconnect with Shawn arises and it is seized upon! Those feelings that were compartmentalized away could finally come out. And did. The fucking and love-making were incredible, and that connection was back. You did activities (other than sex) together, socialized with friends of Shawn together, and engaged in some social activities that included sex with another couple that are friends of Shawn (swapped partners).

So what effect did those (was it Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and to Tuesday evening?) 4.5(?) days have on your [Lana] feelings for Shawn? Because I don't think you felt the same when you arrived in California as when you left. That connection and those feelings (of love) GREW. To the point where you felt jealousy at seeing Shawn having sex with another woman (and, not irrelevant to note, he felt the same seeing you with another man, but we are focused on you right now). To the point where you two discussed a significant change in your relationship (though Shawn brought it up and it was considered unfeasible, but it was discussed and not outright shot down). And it's not just the confessions of love, it's also the whispering, giggling, kissing, cuddling and the way in which you hold him and pull him tight into you while he's making love to you that also give it away.

After you came back, those feelings were compartmentalized again. Maybe you were also concerned about hurting W more by not keeping them locked away. Shawn, W and you played together on video calls once in a while, but on the whole you focused on you pregnancy and the baby that would be coming (and, to be clear, that is an absolutely acceptable thing to focus on).

But now that Shawn is coming back in a few weeks, those compartmentalized feelings aren't so compartmentalized anymore. And you are becoming more willing to admit those feelings (or finding it harder to hide them?) and discuss them. It probably has also helped a lot that W has overcome his initial shock (and hurt) from witnessing you and Shawn making love and is now aroused by it instead. Making it much easier to discuss without fear of hurting W. And you sound eager to be able to express those feelings again while sharing their sexual personification with Shawn (making love). But this this wouldn't just be a performance, but real too, no? Would I be right in surmising that being able to say you love him [Shawn] while making love makes the love-making better and the orgasms more intense? Is it only as long as W gets pleasure from it? Or if you felt you could be more free in expressing your feelings of love for Shawn, would you do it more? Or differently?

Now to come back around to the point I mentioned earlier that I wanted to make. In all likelihood you [Lana] will be having more sex with Shawn (including love-making) after he arrives than with W. That means you will be connecting sexually more with Shawn in addition to resuming that special connection the two of you have that you can't quite explain. That means opportunities for that connection and those feelings (of love [for Shawn]) to grow. And for closer to 20 days rather than the 4.5 days you were in California. Are you aware of that possibility? Are you aware of that probability? Is W aware?

There is even the idea floating around this thread of W being denied sex while Shawn is here. What kind of influence would that have on the continuing development of your feelings for Shawn? Realistically I don't think W would be able to hold out (sorry W, it's not that I don't believe in you [W], I do, but when it comes to this I think you [W] have a deep need to reconnect with Lana, and there's nothing wrong with that). I figure he [W] would need to reclaim/reconnect with you [Lana] after a few days, a week tops. Will you be loving both of your men in each their own way? Will you only be controlled by the boundaries that are set (though adjustable by W)? Will you have to be surpressing (edit: replaces the word 'surprising' which was wrong in this context) some of your feelings? Would that be fair to you?

How do you feel about your connection and feelings of love for Shawn to grow/deepen? Are you ok with it happening? Do you want that, maybe? Ever the reasoner and compartmentalizer, do you think you can prevent it? Or do you think you could still compartmentalize those stronger/deeper feelings? And what happens after, when Shawn goes back, when the connection and feelings are stronger? Do you want it to continue? If things were less complicated with a baby on the way, would you want it to continue? Or would you want something different, something more?

To clarify again, I'm not trying to be offensive, but I am trying to be provocative to generate thought and discussion on the matter. And I feel like I have gone on far too long. So, all the best until next time.


Edit: replaced an wrong word that was wrong in the context of a sentence

Hi everyone! Lana here. W told me that there was a really involved question that would be better if I answered rather than him so I'm going to answer as much as I can while I can. We have morning chores to do! First off, thank you for the kind words! I've always wanted to be a mom and W is going to be the best dad in the world. He's already doing more than his fair share as he does all of the cleaning, most of the cooking, handles everything with the dogs (well, the one dog now... so sad), the bills, the furniture building for the baby, and everything else I can imagine. I'm super lucky and all of my friends and family constantly remind me how I hit the lottery with him.

Okay to your questions about Shawn. You were pretty much right on the money with everything. But to add some clarity, when Shawn was here last year, it was more about lust, that eventually turned into a bit of a crush and infatuation on my part. And although the L word slipped out, it wasn't a profound and deep love. That's because our entire relationship, if you want to call it that, was based on sex. When I went out to Cali, we rode bikes, ate every meal together, slept in and cuddled, and did all of those things on top of having amazing sex. But there was a moment when we were with Brad and his girlfriend that Brad was going down on me while his girlfriend was going down on Shawn, and we looked at each other and I felt like a deeper connection with him. We talked about it afterwards, and it was really hard for both of us to see the other with someone else. The rest of the time, Shawn and I started moving from the raw and lustful type of sex to making love. Now whether I felt love for him at first and then we made love, or the act of making love pushed forward the emotion of love, it's hard to say. It's like a chicken or the egg type of question I suppose. And then you asked if I had held back from outright telling my husband how I felt to prevent hurting him - yes. I know he was hurt by watching Shawn make love to me and as soon as I heard his voice, I changed my flight and came back to him. We spent time getting back to where we were while accepting our new reality, and then other things in life happened, like the health of one of his parents, our older dog, my grandma, and crazy work, that it was hard to manage everything, especially being pregnant and trying to learn all of the things surrounding that. But after that crazy month or two, where our world seemed to be going crazy, we found time to talk about Cali and what happened.

And it's not like I was necessarily hiding it from my husband, but it's that life events took the forefront of our attention, and then when we had the chance to really talk about it, I confessed to him that I'm in love with Shawn, and that we in fact made love several times in Cali. I could tell that it really hit him hard, but with some time, he came to like it. And with that, we are now all on the same page. There is the issue of whether Shawn will ever take me away from my husband. I will say this now - NEVER. My husband and I have been through everything together including the death of grandparents, the death of our older dog, grad school, travelling Europe and Asia, extreme highs and extreme lows. He is my rock and soulmate and Shawn will never be able to replace that , no matter how many California-style trips there may be. On top of that, I think that once the baby comes, I won't have time for anything else other than that. It's just that admitting that I'm in love with two men is more of an acknowledgment of my feelings, and I'm lucky that my husband accepts that, and I'm lucky that Shawn understands it too and isn't trying to steal me away.

You also asked about my husband being denied. Now this is something that really took us both by surprise around the time Adam and I were hooking up. My husband actually started getting turned on by being denied, but it was hard for the both of us to not have that reconnection and communication through that time. In the end, him and I, and I think Shawn too, all understand that there are roles being played and that my husband can call a stop to it all at any moment. If at any time he wants to pull the plug on the denying stuff, I will stop and we will make love. But we're trying to see how long we can draw this out as we think that it will make our reconnection extremely powerful. You also asked about the idea of Shawn having me more than my husband when he is here. I think you are right but mostly because my husband is working right up until the holidays, I think, whereas I'm taking off a few weeks before him. So there's a chance that I'll be with Shawn for extended amounts of time while my husband works. Plus... Shawn is in his twenties, so he's able to get it up again without too much time. In fact, when we were in Cali, there were times when he would cum, and without even pulling out, he was able to start again a few minutes after. Crazy!

Okay I think I hit all of your points. I hope everyone has a great day!

Hi w770.

Please give my sincere thanks to Lana for taking the time to answer. There was no expectation for her to do so and yet she did it away. Thank you Lana.

I think I find the answers to be reassuring. You seem to be in good hands, W!

I will note that she did gracefully leave out answer questions relating to how she thinks emotions could change or grow during the time Shawn is here. Though this is a bit dependent also on what kind of non sexual activities they (Shawn and Lana) and the three of you engage in. Is he going to be eating meals with you two? Will they have some meals together just the two of them? Going to the gym together? Will he go Christmas shopping with Lana and help her carry things (you know, since she's pregnant)? Other activities together? Watching TV/movie or do you guys play board games, maybe? The sex and sexual bonding will be there but the connection/feelings/love that run parallel are probably more open being developed based on what you want or can handle, W.

Lana also gracefully left out answering any questions about how she feels about the future of her relationship with Shawn. And instead put up the answer that things will be different once the baby arrives. And it will, I fully understand her not wanting to answer or not wanting to consider that complicated situation yet with all that is happening and will be happening and changing. But not answering is an answer in itself. So I will speculate that she will try to compartmentalize those feelings as she has done previously. Whether those feelings linger or slowly fade due to the new reality will just have to be seen.

I think the next few weeks and month will be a lot of fun all involved and very exciting for you, W.

PS: Have you remembered to talk to Lana about an anniversary "present"?

[Mlv4]

Hi, W. Lana mentioned you do most of the cooking. For an amazingly romantic and searingly hot anniversary gift from you to Lana and Shawn, how about cooking and also serving them an amazing candlelight dinner where during the entire meal you do not personally interact with either of them, other than bringing them their courses and refilling their wine glasses.

When they finish, they will then retreat straight to your bedroom, being sure to close and lock the door behind them, relegating you to listening to their one-year anniversary lovemaking all night long.

Thanks.

[setv4]

W, You and Lana are on one hell of a extremely Hot ride! With everything that you guys have dipped into, you both are handling very well, even with the few bumps along your route. It's been enlightening and enjoyable, reading your ongoing posts about Lana's ( and Your) Hotwifing journey. Thanks so much for sharing it with us.
I'm still encouraging my Wife to fullly cross that line, and become a Hotwife too. Although there have been quite a few very hot interactions with a couple of close Friends, it's been a very long journey for us, which still has to be completed. She bounces back and forth from enjoying all of the naughty things she has done so far, including the ones with our Friends, and around strangers, then she goes back the other way, and denies enjoying that stuff.
Although most of the time it is She is the one who starts the flirting, flashing and touching, without me saying a word. I will also encourage her to show-off her sexy assets to others and I also encourage her to take other parters, to increase her sexual pleasure.
Hopefully some day she will have an additional lover or two in the future, just as Lana has done already.
Take care, and have Fun!

[tojanman]

Well if Lana is reading this thread, she’s about to see yours and our comments about the dick sucking so you probably won’t have to worry about broaching the conversation with her.

[w770]

We just finished up our time with Shawn for the night and I'll hand Lana my phone for a bit and then I'll give the update.

Lana - Hi everyone! I've read most of the comments and W says he is very much indebted to this page for the advice. Okay, so the question is what I would want Shawn to do to me and whether I would want W to listen in on it. Well.... Shawn has been my favorite lover over the past year. He's physically made me feel things that I never thought were possible and we have a connection that is hard for me to explain. If the question is what I want him to do to me, I would hav eto say that I would wish for him to keep doing whatever he does for me when we've been together. He gives me full body orgasms like I've never felt before, and for all the men out there - women have clitoral orgasms and full body orgasms. Full bodied orgasms are rare and Shawn is able to get me there consistently. You also asked whether I would want W to listen in on how much I love Shawn. This is a diffuclt question. I get a lot of my pleasure knowing that W is turned on by the entire expreience, and that includes me being in love with Shawn. So if he gets turned on by hearing how much I love Shawn, I will absolutely be lloud enough for him to hear and feel it, because that is what he likes. Okay, bye for now!

Hi w770 (and Lana).

It's so great that you've been giving us so many answers and updating us so often these past few days. Thank you so much for sharing that much. And it was great to hear from Lana too. Her input can only add to the value of this thread.

In response to Lana:
I am not expecting a reply to this post from you [Lana] as I know this thread is Ws project. However I would still like to convey my thanks to you (whether directly or through W) for sharing your thoughts and feelings on some of the matters that W and random people on the internet are discussing.

I hope you and the baby are well and continue to do well. It is not easy carrying a new life inside yourself with the changes, responsibilities and stress that arise as a result. But from what W tells us you are very driven and dedicated to ready for the next stage.

Some well meaning thoughts from my SO's and I experience with our first together (her second). There is no such thing as perfect. You can try to be as ready as you can but you still won't be (completely). That does not mean you shouldn't still try to be ready, you still need to try to be (which I think you and W are doing). Now you can try to plan everything thing out, to try to make things go a certain way, but in the end things will probably not go the way you expected. So try be the best you can be and don't worry about trying to be perfect.

In that there is also another important person to remember: yourself. It is very easy to forget yourself in all that will be happening and focus just on the beautiful new life you (both of you - but you [Lana] will have done most of the heavy lifting) you have brought into this world and making things work as a family. I can't tell you not to, but try to remember to keep a balance. You have had a transformative year and you may feel you have to give everything up, or not... There is no right way to do it. You have to figure that out as you go. Don't judge yourself by other people's morals. Hold true to your own ethics. Be the best you can be, don't try to be some impossible perfect or end up losing touch with yourself. Make sure W is doing his fair share of the work (it's 2023, not 1953). And I'm sure you will be a great mother. Good luck!

Now, onto the serious business. As I stated in the beginning, I am not writing this with the expectation of a response. So this part should be regarded as more of a provocation to thought. Be forewarned, I will be speculating a bit (or a lot).

By your own admission, you are in love with Shawn. Feelings that I think may have taken less than a month to start (from when you first invited him over while W was walking the dogs). To be fair, I don't think that was the same as what you feel now - and that is going to be an important point I am going to make.

When Shawn left for California, you compartmentalized those feelings. They went in a mental box and stayed there, mostly.. Maybe you would revisit those thoughts and emotions in you own mind, but you didn't let them out, express them. However, those feelings didn't go away. They were still there.

Jump to after the summer and there have been the experiences with the French guy and Adam (and Evan) (and I don't remember right now if there were others)... And then a chance to reconnect with Shawn arises and it is seized upon! Those feelings that were compartmentalized away could finally come out. And did. The fucking and love-making were incredible, and that connection was back. You did activities (other than sex) together, socialized with friends of Shawn together, and engaged in some social activities that included sex with another couple that are friends of Shawn (swapped partners).

So what effect did those (was it Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and to Tuesday evening?) 4.5(?) days have on your [Lana] feelings for Shawn? Because I don't think you felt the same when you arrived in California as when you left. That connection and those feelings (of love) GREW. To the point where you felt jealousy at seeing Shawn having sex with another woman (and, not irrelevant to note, he felt the same seeing you with another man, but we are focused on you right now). To the point where you two discussed a significant change in your relationship (though Shawn brought it up and it was considered unfeasible, but it was discussed and not outright shot down). And it's not just the confessions of love, it's also the whispering, giggling, kissing, cuddling and the way in which you hold him and pull him tight into you while he's making love to you that also give it away.

After you came back, those feelings were compartmentalized again. Maybe you were also concerned about hurting W more by not keeping them locked away. Shawn, W and you played together on video calls once in a while, but on the whole you focused on you pregnancy and the baby that would be coming (and, to be clear, that is an absolutely acceptable thing to focus on).

But now that Shawn is coming back in a few weeks, those compartmentalized feelings aren't so compartmentalized anymore. And you are becoming more willing to admit those feelings (or finding it harder to hide them?) and discuss them. It probably has also helped a lot that W has overcome his initial shock (and hurt) from witnessing you and Shawn making love and is now aroused by it instead. Making it much easier to discuss without fear of hurting W. And you sound eager to be able to express those feelings again while sharing their sexual personification with Shawn (making love). But this this wouldn't just be a performance, but real too, no? Would I be right in surmising that being able to say you love him [Shawn] while making love makes the love-making better and the orgasms more intense? Is it only as long as W gets pleasure from it? Or if you felt you could be more free in expressing your feelings of love for Shawn, would you do it more? Or differently?

Now to come back around to the point I mentioned earlier that I wanted to make. In all likelihood you [Lana] will be having more sex with Shawn (including love-making) after he arrives than with W. That means you will be connecting sexually more with Shawn in addition to resuming that special connection the two of you have that you can't quite explain. That means opportunities for that connection and those feelings (of love [for Shawn]) to grow. And for closer to 20 days rather than the 4.5 days you were in California. Are you aware of that possibility? Are you aware of that probability? Is W aware?

There is even the idea floating around this thread of W being denied sex while Shawn is here. What kind of influence would that have on the continuing development of your feelings for Shawn? Realistically I don't think W would be able to hold out (sorry W, it's not that I don't believe in you [W], I do, but when it comes to this I think you [W] have a deep need to reconnect with Lana, and there's nothing wrong with that). I figure he [W] would need to reclaim/reconnect with you [Lana] after a few days, a week tops. Will you be loving both of your men in each their own way? Will you only be controlled by the boundaries that are set (though adjustable by W)? Will you have to be surpressing (edit: replaces the word 'surprising' which was wrong in this context) some of your feelings? Would that be fair to you?

How do you feel about your connection and feelings of love for Shawn to grow/deepen? Are you ok with it happening? Do you want that, maybe? Ever the reasoner and compartmentalizer, do you think you can prevent it? Or do you think you could still compartmentalize those stronger/deeper feelings? And what happens after, when Shawn goes back, when the connection and feelings are stronger? Do you want it to continue? If things were less complicated with a baby on the way, would you want it to continue? Or would you want something different, something more?

To clarify again, I'm not trying to be offensive, but I am trying to be provocative to generate thought and discussion on the matter. And I feel like I have gone on far too long. So, all the best until next time.


Edit: replaced an wrong word that was wrong in the context of a sentence

Hi everyone! Lana here. W told me that there was a really involved question that would be better if I answered rather than him so I'm going to answer as much as I can while I can. We have morning chores to do! First off, thank you for the kind words! I've always wanted to be a mom and W is going to be the best dad in the world. He's already doing more than his fair share as he does all of the cleaning, most of the cooking, handles everything with the dogs (well, the one dog now... so sad), the bills, the furniture building for the baby, and everything else I can imagine. I'm super lucky and all of my friends and family constantly remind me how I hit the lottery with him.

Okay to your questions about Shawn. You were pretty much right on the money with everything. But to add some clarity, when Shawn was here last year, it was more about lust, that eventually turned into a bit of a crush and infatuation on my part. And although the L word slipped out, it wasn't a profound and deep love. That's because our entire relationship, if you want to call it that, was based on sex. When I went out to Cali, we rode bikes, ate every meal together, slept in and cuddled, and did all of those things on top of having amazing sex. But there was a moment when we were with Brad and his girlfriend that Brad was going down on me while his girlfriend was going down on Shawn, and we looked at each other and I felt like a deeper connection with him. We talked about it afterwards, and it was really hard for both of us to see the other with someone else. The rest of the time, Shawn and I started moving from the raw and lustful type of sex to making love. Now whether I felt love for him at first and then we made love, or the act of making love pushed forward the emotion of love, it's hard to say. It's like a chicken or the egg type of question I suppose. And then you asked if I had held back from outright telling my husband how I felt to prevent hurting him - yes. I know he was hurt by watching Shawn make love to me and as soon as I heard his voice, I changed my flight and came back to him. We spent time getting back to where we were while accepting our new reality, and then other things in life happened, like the health of one of his parents, our older dog, my grandma, and crazy work, that it was hard to manage everything, especially being pregnant and trying to learn all of the things surrounding that. But after that crazy month or two, where our world seemed to be going crazy, we found time to talk about Cali and what happened.

And it's not like I was necessarily hiding it from my husband, but it's that life events took the forefront of our attention, and then when we had the chance to really talk about it, I confessed to him that I'm in love with Shawn, and that we in fact made love several times in Cali. I could tell that it really hit him hard, but with some time, he came to like it. And with that, we are now all on the same page. There is the issue of whether Shawn will ever take me away from my husband. I will say this now - NEVER. My husband and I have been through everything together including the death of grandparents, the death of our older dog, grad school, travelling Europe and Asia, extreme highs and extreme lows. He is my rock and soulmate and Shawn will never be able to replace that , no matter how many California-style trips there may be. On top of that, I think that once the baby comes, I won't have time for anything else other than that. It's just that admitting that I'm in love with two men is more of an acknowledgment of my feelings, and I'm lucky that my husband accepts that, and I'm lucky that Shawn understands it too and isn't trying to steal me away.

You also asked about my husband being denied. Now this is something that really took us both by surprise around the time Adam and I were hooking up. My husband actually started getting turned on by being denied, but it was hard for the both of us to not have that reconnection and communication through that time. In the end, him and I, and I think Shawn too, all understand that there are roles being played and that my husband can call a stop to it all at any moment. If at any time he wants to pull the plug on the denying stuff, I will stop and we will make love. But we're trying to see how long we can draw this out as we think that it will make our reconnection extremely powerful. You also asked about the idea of Shawn having me more than my husband when he is here. I think you are right but mostly because my husband is working right up until the holidays, I think, whereas I'm taking off a few weeks before him. So there's a chance that I'll be with Shawn for extended amounts of time while my husband works. Plus... Shawn is in his twenties, so he's able to get it up again without too much time. In fact, when we were in Cali, there were times when he would cum, and without even pulling out, he was able to start again a few minutes after. Crazy!

Okay I think I hit all of your points. I hope everyone has a great day!

Hi w770.

Please give my sincere thanks to Lana for taking the time to answer. There was no expectation for her to do so and yet she did it away. Thank you Lana.

I think I find the answers to be reassuring. You seem to be in good hands, W!

I will note that she did gracefully leave out answer questions relating to how she thinks emotions could change or grow during the time Shawn is here. Though this is a bit dependent also on what kind of non sexual activities they (Shawn and Lana) and the three of you engage in. Is he going to be eating meals with you two? Will they have some meals together just the two of them? Going to the gym together? Will he go Christmas shopping with Lana and help her carry things (you know, since she's pregnant)? Other activities together? Watching TV/movie or do you guys play board games, maybe? The sex and sexual bonding will be there but the connection/feelings/love that run parallel are probably more open being developed based on what you want or can handle, W.

Lana also gracefully left out answering any questions about how she feels about the future of her relationship with Shawn. And instead put up the answer that things will be different once the baby arrives. And it will, I fully understand her not wanting to answer or not wanting to consider that complicated situation yet with all that is happening and will be happening and changing. But not answering is an answer in itself. So I will speculate that she will try to compartmentalize those feelings as she has done previously. Whether those feelings linger or slowly fade due to the new reality will just have to be seen.

I think the next few weeks and month will be a lot of fun all involved and very exciting for you, W.

PS: Have you remembered to talk to Lana about an anniversary "present"?

I mentioned to Lana about how she may have missed some questions so I asked her and she recited the following:

How will her feelings change when Shawn is here - she believes that she will fall more in love with him. In California, she fell in love with him during the non sexual activities and those feelings were amplified when they made love. When he comes into town again in a few weeks, they'll have quite a bit more time for those sorts of activities as I'll be busy with work for a while whereas Lana will be off. She says she wants to take him to some of her favorite cafes and restaurants, especially in a really cute part of town about 20 minutes away. She also mentioned that they might get a hotel during this time as well.

In terms of where she sees the future of their relationship - she says that realistically, it will end as he has roots in California and we're going to be parents soon. She says there's love, but then there's reality, and sometimes those things don't work together.

Anniversary gift - she says after some thought that commemorating the first time they had sex would be nice to do, especially if it involves making love all night, with me present for some of it and not at other times. She doesn't really know what else to do in terms of the day, and she'll have to think more about it.

There’s no way that I want to be a party pooper here, but there’s plenty of analysis and feelings being expressed about W and Lana, and from W and Lana. And now hearing it from Lana too.
But we should consider there are plenty more feelings in Shawn than people give credit.

Shawn may have originally be seen as playing some macho game, but remember he’s fallen in love with Lana (remember we’ve been told many times how men fall easily for Lana), so he deserves thought about how he wants a relationship, a proper relationship.

And to give himself, and to love a pregnant woman who is pregnant by a rival, is a big commitment. Perhaps he’s truly in love, and deserves some thought beyond the game of a pounding.

I know we like to sometimes focus on the poundings in this forum, but there's plenty of raw emotions here, and when we read the actual words of Lana it brings it home that there are three in this relationship now. Shawn is not Superman anymore, he's a person of interest...

Hi parmaham55.

Thank you for bringing this up. It was something I have also been considering, but hadn't decided when or how to articulate yet.

It was clear already at the beginning of the year that Shawn had feelings for Lana. But given the developments after Lana's Cali trip and other details that have emerged in the last few days it is clear that he is in love with Lana and interested, if not committed, to a relationship in some form to her and W.

This does make it more complicated as his feelings for Lana are quite strong and his bond to W seems also to be getting stronger. But we mostly have W's perspective here and haven't heard Shawn's. And though we can speculate that it may have started as a way of maintaining a relationship with Lana (since she said and he accepted that she would never leave W), it is hard to gauge how much of Shawn and W's bond is still based on Lana and how much has developed into a more bilateral relationship between the guys - it is there, just hard to quantify without knowing more from Shawn. But this opens up multiple vectors from which his feelings can be hurt.

Shawn and Lana have discussed their feelings while Shawn has more confessed his feelings for Lana to W (more clearly and directly since after Lana confessed hers toward Shawn to W). I don't recall if I have picked up on any discussions of feelings, expectations or desires (outside of "I want to make love to your wife", etc..) between Shawn and W. Also Shawn's feelings, expectations and desires are limited by the boundaries set by Lana and W - his relationship will always be secondary to that of Lana and W, his behaviour has to be respectful of that and of W while still walking a fine line of being sexually dominant. He does seem to know where his place is and how to act in it. As long as he is open to communicating his feelings and Lana and W are receptive to hearing them, he should at least not be in a position where he has no say or no choice.

But that is now. And his feelings about the arrangement can change in the future. Things will definitely be different when the baby arrives. And it's impossible to know at the moment what this triangle will look like then. I think he does have the option of continuing to be involved, even as say a friend without benefits, so I don't think he will be cast aside. I don't have the impression of Lana and W being those kind of people either - look at Adam, that continued for a long time despite how he was acting and finally ended amicably enough (or am I wrong?). Maybe we will have a better picture by the beginning of next year, after Shawn has been there.

I also don't know how much Shawn knows about this forum and what W writes. Would he even be interested or comfortable with W conveying his perspective to us? Would he considers writing here himself? Maybe in a few weeks when he's there, their might be more of an opportunity to get his perspective (in between cuddling with Lana and giving her full-body orgams)?

I haven't mentioned this page to Shawn at all and honestly I don't know if I want to. It's become a refuge in a way for me and I feel like I might need to keep that separation.

Hi, W. Lana mentioned you do most of the cooking. For an amazingly romantic and searingly hot anniversary gift from you to Lana and Shawn, how about cooking and also serving them an amazing candlelight dinner where during the entire meal you do not personally interact with either of them, other than bringing them their courses and refilling their wine glasses.

When they finish, they will then retreat straight to your bedroom, being sure to close and lock the door behind them, relegating you to listening to their one-year anniversary lovemaking all night long.

Thanks.

It's a good idea, and I'll mention it to Lana. Thanks!

W, You and Lana are on one hell of a extremely Hot ride! With everything that you guys have dipped into, you both are handling very well, even with the few bumps along your route. It's been enlightening and enjoyable, reading your ongoing posts about Lana's ( and Your) Hotwifing journey. Thanks so much for sharing it with us.
I'm still encouraging my Wife to fullly cross that line, and become a Hotwife too. Although there have been quite a few very hot interactions with a couple of close Friends, it's been a very long journey for us, which still has to be completed. She bounces back and forth from enjoying all of the naughty things she has done so far, including the ones with our Friends, and around strangers, then she goes back the other way, and denies enjoying that stuff.
Although most of the time it is She is the one who starts the flirting, flashing and touching, without me saying a word. I will also encourage her to show-off her sexy assets to others and I also encourage her to take other parters, to increase her sexual pleasure.
Hopefully some day she will have an additional lover or two in the future, just as Lana has done already.
Take care, and have Fun!

I spent years trying to convince Lana to sleep with other men and ever back since I first brought it up, she had always maintained that it would never happen. It wasn't until we met Shawn that she changed her mind. After Shawn, those impediments were no longer there and therefore, Eric, Sebastian, Adam, Evan, and Brad were less of struggles to get her to accept.

Sometimes it just takes the right guy.

No crazy updates. We're about to make dinner and I think Shawn is going over to fuck that one girl tonight so there probably won't be any naughty action tonight.

[parmaham55]

Does Lana have consideration for the ‘that one girl tonight’ that he’s fucking? that she may be a threat? Does that girl even know about Lana? Has Shawn told her that he loves Lana? In the context of this forum, it may not matter, but do Lana or Shawn consider her feelings?

[3532734dreamer]

Hi w770 (and Lana).

It's so great that you've been giving us so many answers and updating us so often these past few days. Thank you so much for sharing that much. And it was great to hear from Lana too. Her input can only add to the value of this thread.

In response to Lana:
I am not expecting a reply to this post from you [Lana] as I know this thread is Ws project. However I would still like to convey my thanks to you (whether directly or through W) for sharing your thoughts and feelings on some of the matters that W and random people on the internet are discussing.

I hope you and the baby are well and continue to do well. It is not easy carrying a new life inside yourself with the changes, responsibilities and stress that arise as a result. But from what W tells us you are very driven and dedicated to ready for the next stage.

Some well meaning thoughts from my SO's and I experience with our first together (her second). There is no such thing as perfect. You can try to be as ready as you can but you still won't be (completely). That does not mean you shouldn't still try to be ready, you still need to try to be (which I think you and W are doing). Now you can try to plan everything thing out, to try to make things go a certain way, but in the end things will probably not go the way you expected. So try be the best you can be and don't worry about trying to be perfect.

In that there is also another important person to remember: yourself. It is very easy to forget yourself in all that will be happening and focus just on the beautiful new life you (both of you - but you [Lana] will have done most of the heavy lifting) you have brought into this world and making things work as a family. I can't tell you not to, but try to remember to keep a balance. You have had a transformative year and you may feel you have to give everything up, or not... There is no right way to do it. You have to figure that out as you go. Don't judge yourself by other people's morals. Hold true to your own ethics. Be the best you can be, don't try to be some impossible perfect or end up losing touch with yourself. Make sure W is doing his fair share of the work (it's 2023, not 1953). And I'm sure you will be a great mother. Good luck!

Now, onto the serious business. As I stated in the beginning, I am not writing this with the expectation of a response. So this part should be regarded as more of a provocation to thought. Be forewarned, I will be speculating a bit (or a lot).

By your own admission, you are in love with Shawn. Feelings that I think may have taken less than a month to start (from when you first invited him over while W was walking the dogs). To be fair, I don't think that was the same as what you feel now - and that is going to be an important point I am going to make.

When Shawn left for California, you compartmentalized those feelings. They went in a mental box and stayed there, mostly.. Maybe you would revisit those thoughts and emotions in you own mind, but you didn't let them out, express them. However, those feelings didn't go away. They were still there.

Jump to after the summer and there have been the experiences with the French guy and Adam (and Evan) (and I don't remember right now if there were others)... And then a chance to reconnect with Shawn arises and it is seized upon! Those feelings that were compartmentalized away could finally come out. And did. The fucking and love-making were incredible, and that connection was back. You did activities (other than sex) together, socialized with friends of Shawn together, and engaged in some social activities that included sex with another couple that are friends of Shawn (swapped partners).

So what effect did those (was it Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and to Tuesday evening?) 4.5(?) days have on your [Lana] feelings for Shawn? Because I don't think you felt the same when you arrived in California as when you left. That connection and those feelings (of love) GREW. To the point where you felt jealousy at seeing Shawn having sex with another woman (and, not irrelevant to note, he felt the same seeing you with another man, but we are focused on you right now). To the point where you two discussed a significant change in your relationship (though Shawn brought it up and it was considered unfeasible, but it was discussed and not outright shot down). And it's not just the confessions of love, it's also the whispering, giggling, kissing, cuddling and the way in which you hold him and pull him tight into you while he's making love to you that also give it away.

After you came back, those feelings were compartmentalized again. Maybe you were also concerned about hurting W more by not keeping them locked away. Shawn, W and you played together on video calls once in a while, but on the whole you focused on you pregnancy and the baby that would be coming (and, to be clear, that is an absolutely acceptable thing to focus on).

But now that Shawn is coming back in a few weeks, those compartmentalized feelings aren't so compartmentalized anymore. And you are becoming more willing to admit those feelings (or finding it harder to hide them?) and discuss them. It probably has also helped a lot that W has overcome his initial shock (and hurt) from witnessing you and Shawn making love and is now aroused by it instead. Making it much easier to discuss without fear of hurting W. And you sound eager to be able to express those feelings again while sharing their sexual personification with Shawn (making love). But this this wouldn't just be a performance, but real too, no? Would I be right in surmising that being able to say you love him [Shawn] while making love makes the love-making better and the orgasms more intense? Is it only as long as W gets pleasure from it? Or if you felt you could be more free in expressing your feelings of love for Shawn, would you do it more? Or differently?

Now to come back around to the point I mentioned earlier that I wanted to make. In all likelihood you [Lana] will be having more sex with Shawn (including love-making) after he arrives than with W. That means you will be connecting sexually more with Shawn in addition to resuming that special connection the two of you have that you can't quite explain. That means opportunities for that connection and those feelings (of love [for Shawn]) to grow. And for closer to 20 days rather than the 4.5 days you were in California. Are you aware of that possibility? Are you aware of that probability? Is W aware?

There is even the idea floating around this thread of W being denied sex while Shawn is here. What kind of influence would that have on the continuing development of your feelings for Shawn? Realistically I don't think W would be able to hold out (sorry W, it's not that I don't believe in you [W], I do, but when it comes to this I think you [W] have a deep need to reconnect with Lana, and there's nothing wrong with that). I figure he [W] would need to reclaim/reconnect with you [Lana] after a few days, a week tops. Will you be loving both of your men in each their own way? Will you only be controlled by the boundaries that are set (though adjustable by W)? Will you have to be surpressing (edit: replaces the word 'surprising' which was wrong in this context) some of your feelings? Would that be fair to you?

How do you feel about your connection and feelings of love for Shawn to grow/deepen? Are you ok with it happening? Do you want that, maybe? Ever the reasoner and compartmentalizer, do you think you can prevent it? Or do you think you could still compartmentalize those stronger/deeper feelings? And what happens after, when Shawn goes back, when the connection and feelings are stronger? Do you want it to continue? If things were less complicated with a baby on the way, would you want it to continue? Or would you want something different, something more?

To clarify again, I'm not trying to be offensive, but I am trying to be provocative to generate thought and discussion on the matter. And I feel like I have gone on far too long. So, all the best until next time.


Edit: replaced an wrong word that was wrong in the context of a sentence

Hi everyone! Lana here. W told me that there was a really involved question that would be better if I answered rather than him so I'm going to answer as much as I can while I can. We have morning chores to do! First off, thank you for the kind words! I've always wanted to be a mom and W is going to be the best dad in the world. He's already doing more than his fair share as he does all of the cleaning, most of the cooking, handles everything with the dogs (well, the one dog now... so sad), the bills, the furniture building for the baby, and everything else I can imagine. I'm super lucky and all of my friends and family constantly remind me how I hit the lottery with him.

Okay to your questions about Shawn. You were pretty much right on the money with everything. But to add some clarity, when Shawn was here last year, it was more about lust, that eventually turned into a bit of a crush and infatuation on my part. And although the L word slipped out, it wasn't a profound and deep love. That's because our entire relationship, if you want to call it that, was based on sex. When I went out to Cali, we rode bikes, ate every meal together, slept in and cuddled, and did all of those things on top of having amazing sex. But there was a moment when we were with Brad and his girlfriend that Brad was going down on me while his girlfriend was going down on Shawn, and we looked at each other and I felt like a deeper connection with him. We talked about it afterwards, and it was really hard for both of us to see the other with someone else. The rest of the time, Shawn and I started moving from the raw and lustful type of sex to making love. Now whether I felt love for him at first and then we made love, or the act of making love pushed forward the emotion of love, it's hard to say. It's like a chicken or the egg type of question I suppose. And then you asked if I had held back from outright telling my husband how I felt to prevent hurting him - yes. I know he was hurt by watching Shawn make love to me and as soon as I heard his voice, I changed my flight and came back to him. We spent time getting back to where we were while accepting our new reality, and then other things in life happened, like the health of one of his parents, our older dog, my grandma, and crazy work, that it was hard to manage everything, especially being pregnant and trying to learn all of the things surrounding that. But after that crazy month or two, where our world seemed to be going crazy, we found time to talk about Cali and what happened.

And it's not like I was necessarily hiding it from my husband, but it's that life events took the forefront of our attention, and then when we had the chance to really talk about it, I confessed to him that I'm in love with Shawn, and that we in fact made love several times in Cali. I could tell that it really hit him hard, but with some time, he came to like it. And with that, we are now all on the same page. There is the issue of whether Shawn will ever take me away from my husband. I will say this now - NEVER. My husband and I have been through everything together including the death of grandparents, the death of our older dog, grad school, travelling Europe and Asia, extreme highs and extreme lows. He is my rock and soulmate and Shawn will never be able to replace that , no matter how many California-style trips there may be. On top of that, I think that once the baby comes, I won't have time for anything else other than that. It's just that admitting that I'm in love with two men is more of an acknowledgment of my feelings, and I'm lucky that my husband accepts that, and I'm lucky that Shawn understands it too and isn't trying to steal me away.

You also asked about my husband being denied. Now this is something that really took us both by surprise around the time Adam and I were hooking up. My husband actually started getting turned on by being denied, but it was hard for the both of us to not have that reconnection and communication through that time. In the end, him and I, and I think Shawn too, all understand that there are roles being played and that my husband can call a stop to it all at any moment. If at any time he wants to pull the plug on the denying stuff, I will stop and we will make love. But we're trying to see how long we can draw this out as we think that it will make our reconnection extremely powerful. You also asked about the idea of Shawn having me more than my husband when he is here. I think you are right but mostly because my husband is working right up until the holidays, I think, whereas I'm taking off a few weeks before him. So there's a chance that I'll be with Shawn for extended amounts of time while my husband works. Plus... Shawn is in his twenties, so he's able to get it up again without too much time. In fact, when we were in Cali, there were times when he would cum, and without even pulling out, he was able to start again a few minutes after. Crazy!

Okay I think I hit all of your points. I hope everyone has a great day!

Hi w770.

Please give my sincere thanks to Lana for taking the time to answer. There was no expectation for her to do so and yet she did it away. Thank you Lana.

I think I find the answers to be reassuring. You seem to be in good hands, W!

I will note that she did gracefully leave out answer questions relating to how she thinks emotions could change or grow during the time Shawn is here. Though this is a bit dependent also on what kind of non sexual activities they (Shawn and Lana) and the three of you engage in. Is he going to be eating meals with you two? Will they have some meals together just the two of them? Going to the gym together? Will he go Christmas shopping with Lana and help her carry things (you know, since she's pregnant)? Other activities together? Watching TV/movie or do you guys play board games, maybe? The sex and sexual bonding will be there but the connection/feelings/love that run parallel are probably more open being developed based on what you want or can handle, W.

Lana also gracefully left out answering any questions about how she feels about the future of her relationship with Shawn. And instead put up the answer that things will be different once the baby arrives. And it will, I fully understand her not wanting to answer or not wanting to consider that complicated situation yet with all that is happening and will be happening and changing. But not answering is an answer in itself. So I will speculate that she will try to compartmentalize those feelings as she has done previously. Whether those feelings linger or slowly fade due to the new reality will just have to be seen.

I think the next few weeks and month will be a lot of fun all involved and very exciting for you, W.

PS: Have you remembered to talk to Lana about an anniversary "present"?

I mentioned to Lana about how she may have missed some questions so I asked her and she recited the following:

How will her feelings change when Shawn is here - she believes that she will fall more in love with him. In California, she fell in love with him during the non sexual activities and those feelings were amplified when they made love. When he comes into town again in a few weeks, they'll have quite a bit more time for those sorts of activities as I'll be busy with work for a while whereas Lana will be off. She says she wants to take him to some of her favorite cafes and restaurants, especially in a really cute part of town about 20 minutes away. She also mentioned that they might get a hotel during this time as well.

In terms of where she sees the future of their relationship - she says that realistically, it will end as he has roots in California and we're going to be parents soon. She says there's love, but then there's reality, and sometimes those things don't work together.

Anniversary gift - she says after some thought that commemorating the first time they had sex would be nice to do, especially if it involves making love all night, with me present for some of it and not at other times. She doesn't really know what else to do in terms of the day, and she'll have to think more about it.

There’s no way that I want to be a party pooper here, but there’s plenty of analysis and feelings being expressed about W and Lana, and from W and Lana. And now hearing it from Lana too.
But we should consider there are plenty more feelings in Shawn than people give credit.

Shawn may have originally be seen as playing some macho game, but remember he’s fallen in love with Lana (remember we’ve been told many times how men fall easily for Lana), so he deserves thought about how he wants a relationship, a proper relationship.

And to give himself, and to love a pregnant woman who is pregnant by a rival, is a big commitment. Perhaps he’s truly in love, and deserves some thought beyond the game of a pounding.

I know we like to sometimes focus on the poundings in this forum, but there's plenty of raw emotions here, and when we read the actual words of Lana it brings it home that there are three in this relationship now. Shawn is not Superman anymore, he's a person of interest...

Hi parmaham55.

Thank you for bringing this up. It was something I have also been considering, but hadn't decided when or how to articulate yet.

It was clear already at the beginning of the year that Shawn had feelings for Lana. But given the developments after Lana's Cali trip and other details that have emerged in the last few days it is clear that he is in love with Lana and interested, if not committed, to a relationship in some form to her and W.

This does make it more complicated as his feelings for Lana are quite strong and his bond to W seems also to be getting stronger. But we mostly have W's perspective here and haven't heard Shawn's. And though we can speculate that it may have started as a way of maintaining a relationship with Lana (since she said and he accepted that she would never leave W), it is hard to gauge how much of Shawn and W's bond is still based on Lana and how much has developed into a more bilateral relationship between the guys - it is there, just hard to quantify without knowing more from Shawn. But this opens up multiple vectors from which his feelings can be hurt.

Shawn and Lana have discussed their feelings while Shawn has more confessed his feelings for Lana to W (more clearly and directly since after Lana confessed hers toward Shawn to W). I don't recall if I have picked up on any discussions of feelings, expectations or desires (outside of "I want to make love to your wife", etc..) between Shawn and W. Also Shawn's feelings, expectations and desires are limited by the boundaries set by Lana and W - his relationship will always be secondary to that of Lana and W, his behaviour has to be respectful of that and of W while still walking a fine line of being sexually dominant. He does seem to know where his place is and how to act in it. As long as he is open to communicating his feelings and Lana and W are receptive to hearing them, he should at least not be in a position where he has no say or no choice.

But that is now. And his feelings about the arrangement can change in the future. Things will definitely be different when the baby arrives. And it's impossible to know at the moment what this triangle will look like then. I think he does have the option of continuing to be involved, even as say a friend without benefits, so I don't think he will be cast aside. I don't have the impression of Lana and W being those kind of people either - look at Adam, that continued for a long time despite how he was acting and finally ended amicably enough (or am I wrong?). Maybe we will have a better picture by the beginning of next year, after Shawn has been there.

I also don't know how much Shawn knows about this forum and what W writes. Would he even be interested or comfortable with W conveying his perspective to us? Would he considers writing here himself? Maybe in a few weeks when he's there, their might be more of an opportunity to get his perspective (in between cuddling with Lana and giving her full-body orgams)?

I haven't mentioned this page to Shawn at all and honestly I don't know if I want to. It's become a refuge in a way for me and I feel like I might need to keep that separation.

Hi, W. Lana mentioned you do most of the cooking. For an amazingly romantic and searingly hot anniversary gift from you to Lana and Shawn, how about cooking and also serving them an amazing candlelight dinner where during the entire meal you do not personally interact with either of them, other than bringing them their courses and refilling their wine glasses.

When they finish, they will then retreat straight to your bedroom, being sure to close and lock the door behind them, relegating you to listening to their one-year anniversary lovemaking all night long.

Thanks.

It's a good idea, and I'll mention it to Lana. Thanks!

W, You and Lana are on one hell of a extremely Hot ride! With everything that you guys have dipped into, you both are handling very well, even with the few bumps along your route. It's been enlightening and enjoyable, reading your ongoing posts about Lana's ( and Your) Hotwifing journey. Thanks so much for sharing it with us.
I'm still encouraging my Wife to fullly cross that line, and become a Hotwife too. Although there have been quite a few very hot interactions with a couple of close Friends, it's been a very long journey for us, which still has to be completed. She bounces back and forth from enjoying all of the naughty things she has done so far, including the ones with our Friends, and around strangers, then she goes back the other way, and denies enjoying that stuff.
Although most of the time it is She is the one who starts the flirting, flashing and touching, without me saying a word. I will also encourage her to show-off her sexy assets to others and I also encourage her to take other parters, to increase her sexual pleasure.
Hopefully some day she will have an additional lover or two in the future, just as Lana has done already.
Take care, and have Fun!

I spent years trying to convince Lana to sleep with other men and ever back since I first brought it up, she had always maintained that it would never happen. It wasn't until we met Shawn that she changed her mind. After Shawn, those impediments were no longer there and therefore, Eric, Sebastian, Adam, Evan, and Brad were less of struggles to get her to accept.

Sometimes it just takes the right guy.

No crazy updates. We're about to make dinner and I think Shawn is going over to fuck that one girl tonight so there probably won't be any naughty action tonight.

Hi again.

And sorry - I feel like Lana was put on the spot to answer and that wasn't my intention. She has my apologies.

But that first response... holy fuck..! I think it's very reassuring that Lana has a realistic view on what could develop. She's not blind to it and that's great. But she's basically talking about dating Shawn while he's here. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, assuming you are ok with it, in which case I think it's fantastic. It does also mean they will be doing things together in public, which is risky but also hot. And there exists the possibility of some limited public displays of affection, which would be riskier but also hotter.

I have said it before that I find Shawn and Lana's love-making (and this extends to discussions of love-making, expressions of feelings of love for each other, activities that strengthen their connection) to be the most impactful parts of the updates for me. Lately you have gone into more detail regarding how they make love and what they do and say while making love, and it has been intense to read! Let alone to see it or experience it from your perspective! But so arousing, so insanely hot and also incredibly beautiful too! I really hope for more of it, for them, for you and for us. And I would not say this unless I was now confident that the you wouldn't end up being hurt.

I understand Lana wanting love-making to be a central part of her and Shawn's commemorating the first time they had sex. But making love they can do any night. The idea behind a present should be something more special or unique. Mlv4's idea of preparing them a romantic dinner with wine before they retreat to the bedroom for the love-making portion of the commemoration is actually not a bad idea in that regard.

Wish you all all the best.

[w770]

Does Lana have consideration for the ‘that one girl tonight’ that he’s fucking? that she may be a threat? Does that girl even know about Lana? Has Shawn told her that he loves Lana? In the context of this forum, it may not matter, but do Lana or Shawn consider her feelings?

Well Lana has mentioned to Shawn that she doesn't want to be interfering with Shawn's situation if it were looking serious. But he has repeatedly told Lana that it's a "friends with benefits" arrangement and that he's made that clear to the girl that he's not looking for anything serious. I'm not sure if that means he hasn't told her about Lana or not though. As far as Lana's feelings towards Shawn and the girl, and says there's inevitably some sort of jealousy involved but she also realizes that he's a young good looking guy and he has certain needs.

Hi everyone! Lana here. W told me that there was a really involved question that would be better if I answered rather than him so I'm going to answer as much as I can while I can. We have morning chores to do! First off, thank you for the kind words! I've always wanted to be a mom and W is going to be the best dad in the world. He's already doing more than his fair share as he does all of the cleaning, most of the cooking, handles everything with the dogs (well, the one dog now... so sad), the bills, the furniture building for the baby, and everything else I can imagine. I'm super lucky and all of my friends and family constantly remind me how I hit the lottery with him.

Okay to your questions about Shawn. You were pretty much right on the money with everything. But to add some clarity, when Shawn was here last year, it was more about lust, that eventually turned into a bit of a crush and infatuation on my part. And although the L word slipped out, it wasn't a profound and deep love. That's because our entire relationship, if you want to call it that, was based on sex. When I went out to Cali, we rode bikes, ate every meal together, slept in and cuddled, and did all of those things on top of having amazing sex. But there was a moment when we were with Brad and his girlfriend that Brad was going down on me while his girlfriend was going down on Shawn, and we looked at each other and I felt like a deeper connection with him. We talked about it afterwards, and it was really hard for both of us to see the other with someone else. The rest of the time, Shawn and I started moving from the raw and lustful type of sex to making love. Now whether I felt love for him at first and then we made love, or the act of making love pushed forward the emotion of love, it's hard to say. It's like a chicken or the egg type of question I suppose. And then you asked if I had held back from outright telling my husband how I felt to prevent hurting him - yes. I know he was hurt by watching Shawn make love to me and as soon as I heard his voice, I changed my flight and came back to him. We spent time getting back to where we were while accepting our new reality, and then other things in life happened, like the health of one of his parents, our older dog, my grandma, and crazy work, that it was hard to manage everything, especially being pregnant and trying to learn all of the things surrounding that. But after that crazy month or two, where our world seemed to be going crazy, we found time to talk about Cali and what happened.

And it's not like I was necessarily hiding it from my husband, but it's that life events took the forefront of our attention, and then when we had the chance to really talk about it, I confessed to him that I'm in love with Shawn, and that we in fact made love several times in Cali. I could tell that it really hit him hard, but with some time, he came to like it. And with that, we are now all on the same page. There is the issue of whether Shawn will ever take me away from my husband. I will say this now - NEVER. My husband and I have been through everything together including the death of grandparents, the death of our older dog, grad school, travelling Europe and Asia, extreme highs and extreme lows. He is my rock and soulmate and Shawn will never be able to replace that , no matter how many California-style trips there may be. On top of that, I think that once the baby comes, I won't have time for anything else other than that. It's just that admitting that I'm in love with two men is more of an acknowledgment of my feelings, and I'm lucky that my husband accepts that, and I'm lucky that Shawn understands it too and isn't trying to steal me away.

You also asked about my husband being denied. Now this is something that really took us both by surprise around the time Adam and I were hooking up. My husband actually started getting turned on by being denied, but it was hard for the both of us to not have that reconnection and communication through that time. In the end, him and I, and I think Shawn too, all understand that there are roles being played and that my husband can call a stop to it all at any moment. If at any time he wants to pull the plug on the denying stuff, I will stop and we will make love. But we're trying to see how long we can draw this out as we think that it will make our reconnection extremely powerful. You also asked about the idea of Shawn having me more than my husband when he is here. I think you are right but mostly because my husband is working right up until the holidays, I think, whereas I'm taking off a few weeks before him. So there's a chance that I'll be with Shawn for extended amounts of time while my husband works. Plus... Shawn is in his twenties, so he's able to get it up again without too much time. In fact, when we were in Cali, there were times when he would cum, and without even pulling out, he was able to start again a few minutes after. Crazy!

Okay I think I hit all of your points. I hope everyone has a great day!

Hi w770.

Please give my sincere thanks to Lana for taking the time to answer. There was no expectation for her to do so and yet she did it away. Thank you Lana.

I think I find the answers to be reassuring. You seem to be in good hands, W!

I will note that she did gracefully leave out answer questions relating to how she thinks emotions could change or grow during the time Shawn is here. Though this is a bit dependent also on what kind of non sexual activities they (Shawn and Lana) and the three of you engage in. Is he going to be eating meals with you two? Will they have some meals together just the two of them? Going to the gym together? Will he go Christmas shopping with Lana and help her carry things (you know, since she's pregnant)? Other activities together? Watching TV/movie or do you guys play board games, maybe? The sex and sexual bonding will be there but the connection/feelings/love that run parallel are probably more open being developed based on what you want or can handle, W.

Lana also gracefully left out answering any questions about how she feels about the future of her relationship with Shawn. And instead put up the answer that things will be different once the baby arrives. And it will, I fully understand her not wanting to answer or not wanting to consider that complicated situation yet with all that is happening and will be happening and changing. But not answering is an answer in itself. So I will speculate that she will try to compartmentalize those feelings as she has done previously. Whether those feelings linger or slowly fade due to the new reality will just have to be seen.

I think the next few weeks and month will be a lot of fun all involved and very exciting for you, W.

PS: Have you remembered to talk to Lana about an anniversary "present"?

I mentioned to Lana about how she may have missed some questions so I asked her and she recited the following:

How will her feelings change when Shawn is here - she believes that she will fall more in love with him. In California, she fell in love with him during the non sexual activities and those feelings were amplified when they made love. When he comes into town again in a few weeks, they'll have quite a bit more time for those sorts of activities as I'll be busy with work for a while whereas Lana will be off. She says she wants to take him to some of her favorite cafes and restaurants, especially in a really cute part of town about 20 minutes away. She also mentioned that they might get a hotel during this time as well.

In terms of where she sees the future of their relationship - she says that realistically, it will end as he has roots in California and we're going to be parents soon. She says there's love, but then there's reality, and sometimes those things don't work together.

Anniversary gift - she says after some thought that commemorating the first time they had sex would be nice to do, especially if it involves making love all night, with me present for some of it and not at other times. She doesn't really know what else to do in terms of the day, and she'll have to think more about it.

There’s no way that I want to be a party pooper here, but there’s plenty of analysis and feelings being expressed about W and Lana, and from W and Lana. And now hearing it from Lana too.
But we should consider there are plenty more feelings in Shawn than people give credit.

Shawn may have originally be seen as playing some macho game, but remember he’s fallen in love with Lana (remember we’ve been told many times how men fall easily for Lana), so he deserves thought about how he wants a relationship, a proper relationship.

And to give himself, and to love a pregnant woman who is pregnant by a rival, is a big commitment. Perhaps he’s truly in love, and deserves some thought beyond the game of a pounding.

I know we like to sometimes focus on the poundings in this forum, but there's plenty of raw emotions here, and when we read the actual words of Lana it brings it home that there are three in this relationship now. Shawn is not Superman anymore, he's a person of interest...

Hi parmaham55.

Thank you for bringing this up. It was something I have also been considering, but hadn't decided when or how to articulate yet.

It was clear already at the beginning of the year that Shawn had feelings for Lana. But given the developments after Lana's Cali trip and other details that have emerged in the last few days it is clear that he is in love with Lana and interested, if not committed, to a relationship in some form to her and W.

This does make it more complicated as his feelings for Lana are quite strong and his bond to W seems also to be getting stronger. But we mostly have W's perspective here and haven't heard Shawn's. And though we can speculate that it may have started as a way of maintaining a relationship with Lana (since she said and he accepted that she would never leave W), it is hard to gauge how much of Shawn and W's bond is still based on Lana and how much has developed into a more bilateral relationship between the guys - it is there, just hard to quantify without knowing more from Shawn. But this opens up multiple vectors from which his feelings can be hurt.

Shawn and Lana have discussed their feelings while Shawn has more confessed his feelings for Lana to W (more clearly and directly since after Lana confessed hers toward Shawn to W). I don't recall if I have picked up on any discussions of feelings, expectations or desires (outside of "I want to make love to your wife", etc..) between Shawn and W. Also Shawn's feelings, expectations and desires are limited by the boundaries set by Lana and W - his relationship will always be secondary to that of Lana and W, his behaviour has to be respectful of that and of W while still walking a fine line of being sexually dominant. He does seem to know where his place is and how to act in it. As long as he is open to communicating his feelings and Lana and W are receptive to hearing them, he should at least not be in a position where he has no say or no choice.

But that is now. And his feelings about the arrangement can change in the future. Things will definitely be different when the baby arrives. And it's impossible to know at the moment what this triangle will look like then. I think he does have the option of continuing to be involved, even as say a friend without benefits, so I don't think he will be cast aside. I don't have the impression of Lana and W being those kind of people either - look at Adam, that continued for a long time despite how he was acting and finally ended amicably enough (or am I wrong?). Maybe we will have a better picture by the beginning of next year, after Shawn has been there.

I also don't know how much Shawn knows about this forum and what W writes. Would he even be interested or comfortable with W conveying his perspective to us? Would he considers writing here himself? Maybe in a few weeks when he's there, their might be more of an opportunity to get his perspective (in between cuddling with Lana and giving her full-body orgams)?

I haven't mentioned this page to Shawn at all and honestly I don't know if I want to. It's become a refuge in a way for me and I feel like I might need to keep that separation.

Hi, W. Lana mentioned you do most of the cooking. For an amazingly romantic and searingly hot anniversary gift from you to Lana and Shawn, how about cooking and also serving them an amazing candlelight dinner where during the entire meal you do not personally interact with either of them, other than bringing them their courses and refilling their wine glasses.

When they finish, they will then retreat straight to your bedroom, being sure to close and lock the door behind them, relegating you to listening to their one-year anniversary lovemaking all night long.

Thanks.

It's a good idea, and I'll mention it to Lana. Thanks!

W, You and Lana are on one hell of a extremely Hot ride! With everything that you guys have dipped into, you both are handling very well, even with the few bumps along your route. It's been enlightening and enjoyable, reading your ongoing posts about Lana's ( and Your) Hotwifing journey. Thanks so much for sharing it with us.
I'm still encouraging my Wife to fullly cross that line, and become a Hotwife too. Although there have been quite a few very hot interactions with a couple of close Friends, it's been a very long journey for us, which still has to be completed. She bounces back and forth from enjoying all of the naughty things she has done so far, including the ones with our Friends, and around strangers, then she goes back the other way, and denies enjoying that stuff.
Although most of the time it is She is the one who starts the flirting, flashing and touching, without me saying a word. I will also encourage her to show-off her sexy assets to others and I also encourage her to take other parters, to increase her sexual pleasure.
Hopefully some day she will have an additional lover or two in the future, just as Lana has done already.
Take care, and have Fun!

I spent years trying to convince Lana to sleep with other men and ever back since I first brought it up, she had always maintained that it would never happen. It wasn't until we met Shawn that she changed her mind. After Shawn, those impediments were no longer there and therefore, Eric, Sebastian, Adam, Evan, and Brad were less of struggles to get her to accept.

Sometimes it just takes the right guy.

No crazy updates. We're about to make dinner and I think Shawn is going over to fuck that one girl tonight so there probably won't be any naughty action tonight.

Hi again.

And sorry - I feel like Lana was put on the spot to answer and that wasn't my intention. She has my apologies.

But that first response... holy fuck..! I think it's very reassuring that Lana has a realistic view on what could develop. She's not blind to it and that's great. But she's basically talking about dating Shawn while he's here. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, assuming you are ok with it, in which case I think it's fantastic. It does also mean they will be doing things together in public, which is risky but also hot. And there exists the possibility of some limited public displays of affection, which would be riskier but also hotter.

I have said it before that I find Shawn and Lana's love-making (and this extends to discussions of love-making, expressions of feelings of love for each other, activities that strengthen their connection) to be the most impactful parts of the updates for me. Lately you have gone into more detail regarding how they make love and what they do and say while making love, and it has been intense to read! Let alone to see it or experience it from your perspective! But so arousing, so insanely hot and also incredibly beautiful too! I really hope for more of it, for them, for you and for us. And I would not say this unless I was now confident that the you wouldn't end up being hurt.

I understand Lana wanting love-making to be a central part of her and Shawn's commemorating the first time they had sex. But making love they can do any night. The idea behind a present should be something more special or unique. Mlv4's idea of preparing them a romantic dinner with wine before they retreat to the bedroom for the love-making portion of the commemoration is actually not a bad idea in that regard.

Wish you all all the best.

I think you described it perfectly in that they will essentially be dating when he's in town, doing things in public as a couple, likely spending multiple overnights either her in his bed or him in ours, etc. But ultimately, the world will keep moving forward, he'll go back to California for work and his life there while Lana focuses on being a mom.

I do like the idea of serving the two of them dinner before they move into the bedroom for a night or love making. I know Shawn really wants for a lot of the action to be in front of me, but there will also be times where I'll just be listening in. How that will play out is yet to be seen.

Update: We were both pretty exhausted earlier, so we decided to take a nap in bed for a bit. When I woke up, Lana was naked, on a video call with Shawn. I didn't make it known that I was awake right away, and instead kept my eyes shut except for peering in ever so slightly and of course listening to their whispering. "Fuck, I want to so bad, Lana.... I want to take you in front of your husband and show him how in love we are." "OMG Shawn, it feels so good....." "Say it Lana. Say it." "I love you, Shawn. Fuck, I love you..." "I love you too, Lana..." I watched/listened to them cum together, as Lana put a pillow over her mouth, trying to muffle the sounds of her orgasm.

They eventually ended their call and Lana went to the bathroom, where she is now and I'm now making it more obvious that I'm awake, telling from the other side of the door that I'm going to make dinner for the dog. I'm curious if she'll tell me about her call with Shawn or not. She doesn't really check this site, and rather relies on me to update her on the posts, so I'm not worried that she'll see post. It's more of just curiosity on my part whether she'll bring up the call.

[scarfolamew]

I think it would be hot if you emphasized to Lana and Shawn how your own orgasm denial will render you sufficiently horny to be puddy in their hands. Maybe they can plot some ways to push your boundaries while he's visiting. Shawn is already scheming on making you hold his cock and put it in Lana's pussy. They're probably really looking forward to falling more deeply in love with each other and rubbing your face in it. You should encourage them to further collaborate behind your back on ways they can really work you over, given that your limits will be practically nonexistent.

[Jujube]

I think if Shawn presents his cum covered cock to you again, in your condition you won’t be able to resist it. I think Lana won’t think less of you, she totally understands your submissive side. She will probably be over the moon with his ownership!

[3532734dreamer]

I think you described it perfectly in that they will essentially be dating when he's in town, doing things in public as a couple, likely spending multiple overnights either her in his bed or him in ours, etc. But ultimately, the world will keep moving forward, he'll go back to California for work and his life there while Lana focuses on being a mom.

I do like the idea of serving the two of them dinner before they move into the bedroom for a night or love making. I know Shawn really wants for a lot of the action to be in front of me, but there will also be times where I'll just be listening in. How that will play out is yet to be seen.

Update: We were both pretty exhausted earlier, so we decided to take a nap in bed for a bit. When I woke up, Lana was naked, on a video call with Shawn. I didn't make it known that I was awake right away, and instead kept my eyes shut except for peering in ever so slightly and of course listening to their whispering. "Fuck, I want to so bad, Lana.... I want to take you in front of your husband and show him how in love we are." "OMG Shawn, it feels so good....." "Say it Lana. Say it." "I love you, Shawn. Fuck, I love you..." "I love you too, Lana..." I watched/listened to them cum together, as Lana put a pillow over her mouth, trying to muffle the sounds of her orgasm.

They eventually ended their call and Lana went to the bathroom, where she is now and I'm now making it more obvious that I'm awake, telling from the other side of the door that I'm going to make dinner for the dog. I'm curious if she'll tell me about her call with Shawn or not. She doesn't really check this site, and rather relies on me to update her on the posts, so I'm not worried that she'll see post. It's more of just curiosity on my part whether she'll bring up the call.

Hi w770.

Holy fuck, fuck, fuck..! Their deepening connection, their dating in public as a couple, the intensity of their love-making... It really sounds like in-love girlfriend/boyfriend territory when he is here. Insanely hot and incredibly beautiful! As long as you are ok with it. And would you draw a line in front of labeling their relationship as such while he's here? Or would you be ok with them calling eachother boyfriend/girlfriend? Ok with letting things between them to continue to develop organically? Or maybe I'm overthinking and you don't think it will be quite like that?

Very, frustratingly hot waking up to Lana and Shawn making video love. And so fun that you pretended to still be asleep. I don't see how Lana would expect you NOT to wake up from it. Maybe she is teasing you a bit. Maybe she's just in a place where she feels comfortable being able to do what they want whenever/wherever they want, not necessarily including you but not trying to hide it from you either. It could be like the nights she sneaked out to his apartment during the night to fuck and make love before coming back.

While Lana did say that in California when she would tell Shawn she loved him it was in reply to him. This episode really walks a tight semantical line in that Shawn prompted Lana to say it first before he said it back. But there is no slack between that and Lana saying it first without being promoted. As you and her agreed, it is within the boundaries of sex so I'm guessing it might be tough for you (insanely hot, but tough) but still ok. But that line between saying the L word during or right after sex and outside of sex is also rather tenuous, given how they seem to feel about each other and how they express it physically. I think after a while it may be harder and harder not to say it outside of sex. Are you ready for a whild ride? I don't know how you won't cum from just air moving past the tip of your raging hard-on?

The topic of how far to take the sexual interaction between you and Shawn is certainly a difficult one, but one that may be more in your head, underminimg what you view as you masculinity. From everything you have said I don't feel Lana would judge you negatively for it. I, for example have a clear and strong preference for women, but I can freely acknowledge a good looking cock when if see one, and under the right circumstances wouldn't be against taking a good looking cock into my mouth. And my SO knows this since I have told her. But for me the right circumstances would be performing oral together with my SO.

Lana is very preoccupied with pleasing you in all this, as well as herself being naturally submissive to Shawn, I don't think she would have a problem with it. If you don't want to broach the subject directly you could try to talk to her about what she would and wouldn't want you to do and see if physical sexual interaction between you and Shawn comes up. Or try to steer it in that direction if it doesn't come up, without trying to be obvious maybe (could be hard to do, she might wonder what is up).

There are plenty of other ways you and Shawn can interact that don't go that far though. Him standing in front of you while you look at him, while Lana looks at you or him telling her about it if she didn't witness it. Him asking you in front of her if you like how his cock looks, if his is bigger than yours, which one of your cocks you think Lana prefers, asking if you've thought at all about how it would feel in you mouth, etc.. (many variations here, some tougher than others). As previously mentioned you inserting his cock into her (you did this already with Sebastian and Lana was ok with it), but not going any further than that is of course an option. It could also be something you plan with Shawn beforehand to surprise Lana with. Make up little roleplaying scenarios that the two of you can play out in front of her.

All the hot, fucking best!


Edits: so many spelling mistakes

[js117]

Wow! I'm just amazed that Shawn is casually fucking one girl on the side, but doesn't even really seem to care about her because of the special relationship he shares with Lana. Plus, despite Lana's reluctance to let her husband play with other girls, Lana doesn't seem to mind that the other man she loves (Shawn) is fucking other girls. Meanwhile, Lana's bombshell buddy Cara is lusting for Shawn too, and (if I'm not mistaken) even though Lana and Cara have never doubled up on a guy at the same time in the past, they are both considering it for him. As a result, in the very near future, Shawn might enjoy a spectacular fantasy threesome, all with W's enthusiastic support. Wow! It's good to be Shawn!

W, if you don't mind, I have a couple questions:

1.
I think you mentioned that Lana would feel jealous if you played with other girls, but does it ever bother her that Shawn is casually fucking another woman? (Sorry if you've answered this already! If you have, I'll be happy to just re-read your thread!)

2.
I think you mentioned that Cara looks like Helen Owen. If you might indulge my personal fantasies concerning Shawn's upcoming threesome, are there any models/celebrities/pornstars who remind you of Lana? And do you know what Shawn's fuckbuddy looks like, too? I'm just trying to see them in my mind! (again, sorry if I missed this! If I did, I'll read more closely in the future!)

[parmaham55]

Curiosity question: Do you know if Shawn is aware of Lana’s other relationships over the last year (Sebastian, Adam, Evan - particularly Adam)? If so, what is the depth of his knowledge (eg anal, sharing, etc)?

If not, then presumably he thinks he is the only one(except those he’s directed her to be with (Eric and Brad) that Lana has ever experienced outside marriage which may or may not be significant in his love and devotion to her.

I guess, when they were ‘on a break’ from each other over the summer, maybe Shawn assumed Lana returned to a monogomous life?

[Whenwillshe]

I found it comforting that Lana posted and hope she continues.
Her input addresses many concerns.

[snoogaloo82]

I found it comforting that Lana posted and hope she continues.
Her input addresses many concerns.

It's always wonderful to get the other person's perspective

[KevDi69]

W, think of the six week denial period as a training camp for the post-baby ‘no sex’ period. If she has the baby naturally, the doctors will say no sex for six weeks. Lana will surely enjoy seeing you denied during that time based on how she’s enjoying denying you before and during Shawn‘s visit.
Thanks for the incredible updates and sharing Lana’s perspective.

[BallSpanking]

How would you feel if Lana and Shawn, being so in-love, wanted to have a baby?

[snoogaloo82]

How would you feel if Lana and Shawn, being so in-love, wanted to have a baby?

That's a very good question!!

[w770]

I think it would be hot if you emphasized to Lana and Shawn how your own orgasm denial will render you sufficiently horny to be puddy in their hands. Maybe they can plot some ways to push your boundaries while he's visiting. Shawn is already scheming on making you hold his cock and put it in Lana's pussy. They're probably really looking forward to falling more deeply in love with each other and rubbing your face in it. You should encourage them to further collaborate behind your back on ways they can really work you over, given that your limits will be practically nonexistent.

I think if Shawn presents his cum covered cock to you again, in your condition you won’t be able to resist it. I think Lana won’t think less of you, she totally understands your submissive side. She will probably be over the moon with his ownership!

Well when Shawn and I were regularly jerking off together, he would really get off on me putting him back in Lana's pussy, and he would always mention how I need to make sure to stroke it nice and slow before I guide it back in her. He's yet to mention anything about me using my mouth though.

I think you described it perfectly in that they will essentially be dating when he's in town, doing things in public as a couple, likely spending multiple overnights either her in his bed or him in ours, etc. But ultimately, the world will keep moving forward, he'll go back to California for work and his life there while Lana focuses on being a mom.

I do like the idea of serving the two of them dinner before they move into the bedroom for a night or love making. I know Shawn really wants for a lot of the action to be in front of me, but there will also be times where I'll just be listening in. How that will play out is yet to be seen.

Update: We were both pretty exhausted earlier, so we decided to take a nap in bed for a bit. When I woke up, Lana was naked, on a video call with Shawn. I didn't make it known that I was awake right away, and instead kept my eyes shut except for peering in ever so slightly and of course listening to their whispering. "Fuck, I want to so bad, Lana.... I want to take you in front of your husband and show him how in love we are." "OMG Shawn, it feels so good....." "Say it Lana. Say it." "I love you, Shawn. Fuck, I love you..." "I love you too, Lana..." I watched/listened to them cum together, as Lana put a pillow over her mouth, trying to muffle the sounds of her orgasm.

They eventually ended their call and Lana went to the bathroom, where she is now and I'm now making it more obvious that I'm awake, telling from the other side of the door that I'm going to make dinner for the dog. I'm curious if she'll tell me about her call with Shawn or not. She doesn't really check this site, and rather relies on me to update her on the posts, so I'm not worried that she'll see post. It's more of just curiosity on my part whether she'll bring up the call.

Hi w770.

Holy fuck, fuck, fuck..! Their deepening connection, their dating in public as a couple, the intensity of their love-making... It really sounds like in-love girlfriend/boyfriend territory when he is here. Insanely hot and incredibly beautiful! As long as you are ok with it. And would you draw a line in front of labeling their relationship as such while he's here? Or would you be ok with them calling eachother boyfriend/girlfriend? Ok with letting things between them to continue to develop organically? Or maybe I'm overthinking and you don't think it will be quite like that?

Very, frustratingly hot waking up to Lana and Shawn making video love. And so fun that you pretended to still be asleep. I don't see how Lana would expect you NOT to wake up from it. Maybe she is teasing you a bit. Maybe she's just in a place where she feels comfortable being able to do what they want whenever/wherever they want, not necessarily including you but not trying to hide it from you either. It could be like the nights she sneaked out to his apartment during the night to fuck and make love before coming back.

While Lana did say that in California when she would tell Shawn she loved him it was in reply to him. This episode really walks a tight semantical line in that Shawn prompted Lana to say it first before he said it back. But there is no slack between that and Lana saying it first without being promoted. As you and her agreed, it is within the boundaries of sex so I'm guessing it might be tough for you (insanely hot, but tough) but still ok. But that line between saying the L word during or right after sex and outside of sex is also rather tenuous, given how they seem to feel about each other and how they express it physically. I think after a while it may be harder and harder not to say it outside of sex. Are you ready for a whild ride? I don't know how you won't cum from just air moving past the tip of your raging hard-on?

The topic of how far to take the sexual interaction between you and Shawn is certainly a difficult one, but one that may be more in your head, underminimg what you view as you masculinity. From everything you have said I don't feel Lana would judge you negatively for it. I, for example have a clear and strong preference for women, but I can freely acknowledge a good looking cock when if see one, and under the right circumstances wouldn't be against taking a good looking cock into my mouth. And my SO knows this since I have told her. But for me the right circumstances would be performing oral together with my SO.

Lana is very preoccupied with pleasing you in all this, as well as herself being naturally submissive to Shawn, I don't think she would have a problem with it. If you don't want to broach the subject directly you could try to talk to her about what she would and wouldn't want you to do and see if physical sexual interaction between you and Shawn comes up. Or try to steer it in that direction if it doesn't come up, without trying to be obvious maybe (could be hard to do, she might wonder what is up).

There are plenty of other ways you and Shawn can interact that don't go that far though. Him standing in front of you while you look at him, while Lana looks at you or him telling her about it if she didn't witness it. Him asking you in front of her if you like how his cock looks, if his is bigger than yours, which one of your cocks you think Lana prefers, asking if you've thought at all about how it would feel in you mouth, etc.. (many variations here, some tougher than others). The previously mentioned you inserting his cock into her (you did this already with Sebastian). It could also be something you plan with Shawn beforehand to surprise Lana with. Make up little roleplaying scenarios that the two of you can play out in front of her.

All the hot, fucking best!


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As to your question of if I would care what they call each other, I would rather they just refer to each other by their names. While it's not a huge deal if they were to call each other boyfriend/girlfriend, I think I would rather just keep it as Shawn and Lana.

I brought up how I saw that she was masturbating with Shawn last night while I slept and it really was just as simple as her not wanting me to wake up. So, nothing nefarious intent in that.

I think you're right that after enough time, it will be hard for the both of them to avoid telling each other that they're in love. I discussed this with Lana and she agrees, but will give me fair warning before it happens.

With regard to my interaction with him - I still haven't brought it up to Lana. I think I'm going to let this one happen in the moment and maybe it's best to feel out the situation rather than plan for it. One of Lana's toys is a giant dildo and she's always maintained that this one guy from the UK, Alex, was the biggest she's ever had before we started in this lifestyle, and he was bigger than her toy. Which is pure insanity given that the toy absolutely dwarfs me. Now with Shawn, his cock puts mine to shame and I feel like a real time comparison would be peak humiliation.

Wow! I'm just amazed that Shawn is casually fucking one girl on the side, but doesn't even really seem to care about her because of the special relationship he shares with Lana. Plus, despite Lana's reluctance to let her husband play with other girls, Lana doesn't seem to mind that the other man she loves (Shawn) is fucking other girls. Meanwhile, Lana's bombshell buddy Cara is lusting for Shawn too, and (if I'm not mistaken) even though Lana and Cara have never doubled up on a guy at the same time in the past, they are both considering it for him. As a result, in the very near future, Shawn might enjoy a spectacular fantasy threesome, all with W's enthusiastic support. Wow! It's good to be Shawn!

W, if you don't mind, I have a couple questions:

1.
I think you mentioned that Lana would feel jealous if you played with other girls, but does it ever bother her that Shawn is casually fucking another woman? (Sorry if you've answered this already! If you have, I'll be happy to just re-read your thread!)

2.
I think you mentioned that Cara looks like Helen Owen. If you might indulge my personal fantasies concerning Shawn's upcoming threesome, are there any models/celebrities/pornstars who remind you of Lana? And do you know what Shawn's fuckbuddy looks like, too? I'm just trying to see them in my mind! (again, sorry if I missed this! If I did, I'll read more closely in the future!)

Well, Lana says that she gets the initial jealous feelings when she thinks of Shawn with that other girl, but then her more practical mindset takes over and she admits that she shouldn't feel that way.

Lana has always been told that she resembles a girl that I had to look up because I didn't know who it was, by the name of Elizabeth Turner. Shawn's fuckbuddy... hmm.. I've only seen one picture of her and I can't really think of someone distinct that she resembles other than the same girl that Lana resembles. She is incredibly attractive, however, Shawn outrightly admits that it's just sex and no deeper bond between them.

Curiosity question: Do you know if Shawn is aware of Lana’s other relationships over the last year (Sebastian, Adam, Evan - particularly Adam)? If so, what is the depth of his knowledge (eg anal, sharing, etc)?

If not, then presumably he thinks he is the only one(except those he’s directed her to be with (Eric and Brad) that Lana has ever experienced outside marriage which may or may not be significant in his love and devotion to her.

I guess, when they were ‘on a break’ from each other over the summer, maybe Shawn assumed Lana returned to a monogomous life?

Adam has become a touchy subject around here, and Lana doesn't even like to talk about him. It was the only time in the last year where Lana felt concerned and worried about the extent he might go. Sebastian was a really nice guy that we both had a lot of fun with, and Lana has mentioned that she wishes she could have sex with Evan again but because of his connection with Adam, she has to accept that they're both going to be out of the picture.

But as to your question, no Shawn is doesn't know of Adam or Evan. She did mention that we had fun with a guy in the neighborhood but that was over - obviously referring to Sebastian. Shawn didn't seem upset, just more interested than anything.

I found it comforting that Lana posted and hope she continues.
Her input addresses many concerns.

I update her on the ongoing conversation here semi-regularly, but for the most part, she's always just reading mommy blogs and entirely consumed with that. However, that doesn't mean that she won't come back and make a post here and there in the future.

W, think of the six week denial period as a training camp for the post-baby ‘no sex’ period. If she has the baby naturally, the doctors will say no sex for six weeks. Lana will surely enjoy seeing you denied during that time based on how she’s enjoying denying you before and during Shawn‘s visit.
Thanks for the incredible updates and sharing Lana’s perspective.

Well, before any of this started, we weren't really having sex that often actually. It'll be something entirely different though, being denied while Shawn is here.

Update: Our tickets are booked for the Dominican Republic next week for the baby-moon. It'll be nice to have a change of scenery, especially since our older dog passed. Those sorts of vacation spots are generally geared towards setting up an environment where couples have lots of sex, so I don't know we'll do things when we get there seeing as it's the week before Shawn arrives.

Hope everyone has a great week!

[w770]

How would you feel if Lana and Shawn, being so in-love, wanted to have a baby?

It's hard to say, because it's such a purely hypothetical situation. Lana, more than anything, after she sees through the fog of excitement of this lifestyle, the jolt of New Relationship Energy, the butterflies of being in love, she is ultimately a practical person. There is no circumstance where she would have a baby with Shawn, as she thinks kids need both parents, and the logistics of his life being in California make that very unlikely.

[BallSpanking]

Thank you for a frank response. I understand what you are saying, and how Lana's common sense would prevail at the end of the day.
All these things are reasonable. Being in love, has nothing to do with reasonable, and can be an overpowering behavioral determinant.
That's why I was asking.

[snoogaloo82]

How would you feel if Lana and Shawn, being so in-love, wanted to have a baby?

It's hard to say, because it's such a purely hypothetical situation. Lana, more than anything, after she sees through the fog of excitement of this lifestyle, the jolt of New Relationship Energy, the butterflies of being in love, she is ultimately a practical person. There is no circumstance where she would have a baby with Shawn, as she thinks kids need both parents, and the logistics of his life being in California make that very unlikely.

How does California figure into the equation?

[user322]

Hi
I find that the highest level, and the most exciting in the cuckold lifestyle, is when there is love between the bull and the hotwife, but that it does not exceed the love between the hotwife and her husband.
The three of you are experiencing something great!

For the birthday, maybe you could actually be the servant for their meals, and have a chastity cage as well. I know you don't feel attracted to the idea, but maybe this would be an opportunity to try it for an evening and see what it does for you.....?

Good luck for the future !

[edgedndenied]

W
Thanks for all the updates. I hope everything works outs. You are in for a heck of a wild ride One thing that is certain from reading these forums is that anything is possible to happen in your relationship. It is hard to predict the future.
Lana's love of Shawn could be genuine or more NRE or a love of the best sex she has ever had or all of the above. You are allowing their love to expand and flourish even encouraging their growing love. Looking into the future Shawn may be a long term Bull that Lana sees periodically during the year in Cali with some vacations in the mix.
Shawn could move to the east coast and be a boyfriend that Lana sees often.
You 3 could enter a poly arrangement where you all live together.
Shawn could own Lana's pussy and they could decide that he is the main sexual partner and you get limited or no PIV sex
You and Shawn could develop a deeper sexual relationship
There are even threads where the wife had a child with the Bull after saying that would never happen
Anything is possible in the future. The forum has many threads where the relationship between the wife, husband and Bull/Lover have progressed into areas thought unimaginable in the beginning