It might actually happen after years of telling me no.

[w770]

Thank you for a frank response. I understand what you are saying, and how Lana's common sense would prevail at the end of the day.
All these things are reasonable. Being in love, has nothing to do with reasonable, and can be an overpowering behavioral determinant.
That's why I was asking.

Of course! I think Lana has been really expertly bifurcating what this lifestyle entails and also real life. It's like being in love for the first time when you're in high school, where you think all that you need is love and no matter what, you and your first love will always be together. But then reality hits and the world ultimately has different plans for you.

How would you feel if Lana and Shawn, being so in-love, wanted to have a baby?

It's hard to say, because it's such a purely hypothetical situation. Lana, more than anything, after she sees through the fog of excitement of this lifestyle, the jolt of New Relationship Energy, the butterflies of being in love, she is ultimately a practical person. There is no circumstance where she would have a baby with Shawn, as she thinks kids need both parents, and the logistics of his life being in California make that very unlikely.

How does California figure into the equation?

Well he has roots of friends and family (aside from his parents) in California, his work, etc. And Lana has the same but on the east coast. So moving across the country to essentially start over in a lot of ways is logistically improbable. So if they were to have a baby together, one of the baby's true parents would be in California and the other on the East coast.

Hi
I find that the highest level, and the most exciting in the cuckold lifestyle, is when there is love between the bull and the hotwife, but that it does not exceed the love between the hotwife and her husband.
The three of you are experiencing something great!

For the birthday, maybe you could actually be the servant for their meals, and have a chastity cage as well. I know you don't feel attracted to the idea, but maybe this would be an opportunity to try it for an evening and see what it does for you.....?

Good luck for the future !

I just don't think I can ever bring myself to wear one of those cage things. Every time I see a picture of it, it looks really painful. Is it supposed to enhance the excitement by denying the erection from taking place?

W
Thanks for all the updates. I hope everything works outs. You are in for a heck of a wild ride One thing that is certain from reading these forums is that anything is possible to happen in your relationship. It is hard to predict the future.
Lana's love of Shawn could be genuine or more NRE or a love of the best sex she has ever had or all of the above. You are allowing their love to expand and flourish even encouraging their growing love. Looking into the future Shawn may be a long term Bull that Lana sees periodically during the year in Cali with some vacations in the mix.
Shawn could move to the east coast and be a boyfriend that Lana sees often.
You 3 could enter a poly arrangement where you all live together.
Shawn could own Lana's pussy and they could decide that he is the main sexual partner and you get limited or no PIV sex
You and Shawn could develop a deeper sexual relationship
There are even threads where the wife had a child with the Bull after saying that would never happen
Anything is possible in the future. The forum has many threads where the relationship between the wife, husband and Bull/Lover have progressed into areas thought unimaginable in the beginning

You're right in the sense that I'm allowing their love to flourish because I feel that it's not a legitimate threat to the marriage. In a way, I see it as an enhanced version of puppy love, and I don't see it as something that will convince Lana to actually leave me. If I did sense that, I would call an end to the whole thing.

Update: Out of nowhere, I started feeling weak this afternoon and then started heating up to the point where I was sweating through my clothes. Craziest thing. Went to the doc and somehow I contracted Covid. The doc said that it's not that serious and that I would probably be able to shake it off in a week at the most. So lots of sleep, water, vitamins, and over the counter meds for the next few days. To prevent Lana getting it, I'll be sleeping in the second bedroom for the next few days too.

[3532734dreamer]

Thank you for a frank response. I understand what you are saying, and how Lana's common sense would prevail at the end of the day.
All these things are reasonable. Being in love, has nothing to do with reasonable, and can be an overpowering behavioral determinant.
That's why I was asking.

Of course! I think Lana has been really expertly bifurcating what this lifestyle entails and also real life. It's like being in love for the first time when you're in high school, where you think all that you need is love and no matter what, you and your first love will always be together. But then reality hits and the world ultimately has different plans for you.

How would you feel if Lana and Shawn, being so in-love, wanted to have a baby?

It's hard to say, because it's such a purely hypothetical situation. Lana, more than anything, after she sees through the fog of excitement of this lifestyle, the jolt of New Relationship Energy, the butterflies of being in love, she is ultimately a practical person. There is no circumstance where she would have a baby with Shawn, as she thinks kids need both parents, and the logistics of his life being in California make that very unlikely.

How does California figure into the equation?

Well he has roots of friends and family (aside from his parents) in California, his work, etc. And Lana has the same but on the east coast. So moving across the country to essentially start over in a lot of ways is logistically improbable. So if they were to have a baby together, one of the baby's true parents would be in California and the other on the East coast.

Hi
I find that the highest level, and the most exciting in the cuckold lifestyle, is when there is love between the bull and the hotwife, but that it does not exceed the love between the hotwife and her husband.
The three of you are experiencing something great!

For the birthday, maybe you could actually be the servant for their meals, and have a chastity cage as well. I know you don't feel attracted to the idea, but maybe this would be an opportunity to try it for an evening and see what it does for you.....?

Good luck for the future !

I just don't think I can ever bring myself to wear one of those cage things. Every time I see a picture of it, it looks really painful. Is it supposed to enhance the excitement by denying the erection from taking place?

W
Thanks for all the updates. I hope everything works outs. You are in for a heck of a wild ride One thing that is certain from reading these forums is that anything is possible to happen in your relationship. It is hard to predict the future.
Lana's love of Shawn could be genuine or more NRE or a love of the best sex she has ever had or all of the above. You are allowing their love to expand and flourish even encouraging their growing love. Looking into the future Shawn may be a long term Bull that Lana sees periodically during the year in Cali with some vacations in the mix.
Shawn could move to the east coast and be a boyfriend that Lana sees often.
You 3 could enter a poly arrangement where you all live together.
Shawn could own Lana's pussy and they could decide that he is the main sexual partner and you get limited or no PIV sex
You and Shawn could develop a deeper sexual relationship
There are even threads where the wife had a child with the Bull after saying that would never happen
Anything is possible in the future. The forum has many threads where the relationship between the wife, husband and Bull/Lover have progressed into areas thought unimaginable in the beginning

You're right in the sense that I'm allowing their love to flourish because I feel that it's not a legitimate threat to the marriage. In a way, I see it as an enhanced version of puppy love, and I don't see it as something that will convince Lana to actually leave me. If I did sense that, I would call an end to the whole thing.

Update: Out of nowhere, I started feeling weak this afternoon and then started heating up to the point where I was sweating through my clothes. Craziest thing. Went to the doc and somehow I contracted Covid. The doc said that it's not that serious and that I would probably be able to shake it off in a week at the most. So lots of sleep, water, vitamins, and over the counter meds for the next few days. To prevent Lana getting it, I'll be sleeping in the second bedroom for the next few days too.

Oh noooo!

I was going to wish you and Lana a nice week and a great week next week on your baby-moon. But now this..

Hope you get well quickly so you can enjoy next week. And really hope Lana doesn't get sick!

[BoBatty]

W, first of all get well from COVID.

On the cage, there are many kinds and many myths concerning them.

First of all - why wear a cage? A cage is symbolic in the sense that your orgasms are controlled, either by you or your key holder. It takes your dick out of the equation. For some with ED or a low sex drive it can take the stress out of "being ready". There is a blog post from a person called Denying Thumper and he does a much better job explaining it than anyone on this board. He tracks his locked up time and last year was locked all but something like 16 hours.

You can come in a cage - either a vibrator or prostate simulation can allow you to orgasm. The longer you wait the easier it gets.

Fit is important - if you want to start I suggest something like the cobra mini with three rings (around the scrotum). If your balls get cold or purple the ring is too small. If you can slip out too big. Most people use hand cream on their balls and penis, slip one ball, other ball and then penis through the ring, then the actual cage slips into the ring.

It takes a while - first time try it for less than an hour, check for chafing and sore spots, wait a day or two and try again.

You can get hard, but a smaller cage stops it before it starts. They also make straps to hold the cage against the body, but they can irritate the skin.

IMHO a resin cage is best. Look for one with a well place and big enough hole for you urethra. Otherwise it's messy and can smell.

A typical cage from Amazon or eBay should be less than $30. People here will swear by custom fit titanium but you are just playing and want to see what it feels like.

Hope this helps.

[hiki]

Update: Out of nowhere, I started feeling weak this afternoon and then started heating up to the point where I was sweating through my clothes. Craziest thing. Went to the doc and somehow I contracted Covid. The doc said that it's not that serious and that I would probably be able to shake it off in a week at the most. So lots of sleep, water, vitamins, and over the counter meds for the next few days. To prevent Lana getting it, I'll be sleeping in the second bedroom for the next few days too.

OMG that's seriously bad luck! Does that mean that your Dominican Republic trip has to be postponed or is it going to be a Lana & Shawn anniversary trip instead?

[Butterfly411980]

W- sorry to hear about covid. I just got passed my 2nd bout with it. You'll be feeling better in no time though.
And thanks to you and Lana for responding to my post from a few days ago. It's really amazing to me how well you both seem to be able to navigate this very unpredictable lifestyle and the bumps along the way. You have such a good grasp on real concerns and imaginary concerns. And I say that because even though it comes up every now and again, you know Shawn is not in any way a threat to your marriage. Given the age difference and differences in the stage of life they're in, your description of puppy love is so appropriate. It's simply going to run its course sooner than later.
But what I do wonder about is what you think will be the emotional/intellectual effects of all that you two have experienced over this journey once things slow down. Do you think she will look at you different from now on? Will you look at her different? Do you already look at eachither differently, you think? Do you think knowing she equates better sex with others or the way she describes having an indescribable bond with another will effect you when together after all this is done? Or is that part of the journey you find so thrilling and enjoy? And I wonder if she'll ever be able to stop knowing the experiences that are now possible, even if you wanted her to stop? And could that cause resentment if you tried? I think I recall reading a couple of times through your journey you both were set on stopping the lifestyle but for one reason or another couldn't let it go, so I wonder.
We are a similarly situated couple in the beginning stages of this lifestyle and whereas I am sure the experiences would be exhilarating, I'm concerned how things will change after the party ends, if it was to begin and end. Thats was causes me to pause on fully taking the plunge and why I ask you two about these things as I've so admired your journey and how you've handled it thus far. Thanks

[Jujube]

Oh no! Better now than on your baby moon! So sorry, just lay low and get well. No excitement, ya hear? Lol

[w770]

Thank you for a frank response. I understand what you are saying, and how Lana's common sense would prevail at the end of the day.
All these things are reasonable. Being in love, has nothing to do with reasonable, and can be an overpowering behavioral determinant.
That's why I was asking.

Of course! I think Lana has been really expertly bifurcating what this lifestyle entails and also real life. It's like being in love for the first time when you're in high school, where you think all that you need is love and no matter what, you and your first love will always be together. But then reality hits and the world ultimately has different plans for you.

It's hard to say, because it's such a purely hypothetical situation. Lana, more than anything, after she sees through the fog of excitement of this lifestyle, the jolt of New Relationship Energy, the butterflies of being in love, she is ultimately a practical person. There is no circumstance where she would have a baby with Shawn, as she thinks kids need both parents, and the logistics of his life being in California make that very unlikely.

How does California figure into the equation?

Well he has roots of friends and family (aside from his parents) in California, his work, etc. And Lana has the same but on the east coast. So moving across the country to essentially start over in a lot of ways is logistically improbable. So if they were to have a baby together, one of the baby's true parents would be in California and the other on the East coast.

Hi
I find that the highest level, and the most exciting in the cuckold lifestyle, is when there is love between the bull and the hotwife, but that it does not exceed the love between the hotwife and her husband.
The three of you are experiencing something great!

For the birthday, maybe you could actually be the servant for their meals, and have a chastity cage as well. I know you don't feel attracted to the idea, but maybe this would be an opportunity to try it for an evening and see what it does for you.....?

Good luck for the future !

I just don't think I can ever bring myself to wear one of those cage things. Every time I see a picture of it, it looks really painful. Is it supposed to enhance the excitement by denying the erection from taking place?

W
Thanks for all the updates. I hope everything works outs. You are in for a heck of a wild ride One thing that is certain from reading these forums is that anything is possible to happen in your relationship. It is hard to predict the future.
Lana's love of Shawn could be genuine or more NRE or a love of the best sex she has ever had or all of the above. You are allowing their love to expand and flourish even encouraging their growing love. Looking into the future Shawn may be a long term Bull that Lana sees periodically during the year in Cali with some vacations in the mix.
Shawn could move to the east coast and be a boyfriend that Lana sees often.
You 3 could enter a poly arrangement where you all live together.
Shawn could own Lana's pussy and they could decide that he is the main sexual partner and you get limited or no PIV sex
You and Shawn could develop a deeper sexual relationship
There are even threads where the wife had a child with the Bull after saying that would never happen
Anything is possible in the future. The forum has many threads where the relationship between the wife, husband and Bull/Lover have progressed into areas thought unimaginable in the beginning

You're right in the sense that I'm allowing their love to flourish because I feel that it's not a legitimate threat to the marriage. In a way, I see it as an enhanced version of puppy love, and I don't see it as something that will convince Lana to actually leave me. If I did sense that, I would call an end to the whole thing.

Update: Out of nowhere, I started feeling weak this afternoon and then started heating up to the point where I was sweating through my clothes. Craziest thing. Went to the doc and somehow I contracted Covid. The doc said that it's not that serious and that I would probably be able to shake it off in a week at the most. So lots of sleep, water, vitamins, and over the counter meds for the next few days. To prevent Lana getting it, I'll be sleeping in the second bedroom for the next few days too.

Oh noooo!

I was going to wish you and Lana a nice week and a great week next week on your baby-moon. But now this..

Hope you get well quickly so you can enjoy next week. And really hope Lana doesn't get sick!

Update: Out of nowhere, I started feeling weak this afternoon and then started heating up to the point where I was sweating through my clothes. Craziest thing. Went to the doc and somehow I contracted Covid. The doc said that it's not that serious and that I would probably be able to shake it off in a week at the most. So lots of sleep, water, vitamins, and over the counter meds for the next few days. To prevent Lana getting it, I'll be sleeping in the second bedroom for the next few days too.

OMG that's seriously bad luck! Does that mean that your Dominican Republic trip has to be postponed or is it going to be a Lana & Shawn anniversary trip instead?

Oh no! Better now than on your baby moon! So sorry, just lay low and get well. No excitement, ya hear? Lol

Thanks everyone. I usually am able to kick these things pretty fast. I look at it like a personal challenge in fact. So tomorrow, assuming I have the energy, I'll get on the treadmill and sauna and try and sweat this thing out. Lana always begs me to take it easy and to relax, but I never listen. "I'm the only wife in the world that can't control their husband!"

W, first of all get well from COVID.

On the cage, there are many kinds and many myths concerning them.

First of all - why wear a cage? A cage is symbolic in the sense that your orgasms are controlled, either by you or your key holder. It takes your dick out of the equation. For some with ED or a low sex drive it can take the stress out of "being ready". There is a blog post from a person called Denying Thumper and he does a much better job explaining it than anyone on this board. He tracks his locked up time and last year was locked all but something like 16 hours.

You can come in a cage - either a vibrator or prostate simulation can allow you to orgasm. The longer you wait the easier it gets.

Fit is important - if you want to start I suggest something like the cobra mini with three rings (around the scrotum). If your balls get cold or purple the ring is too small. If you can slip out too big. Most people use hand cream on their balls and penis, slip one ball, other ball and then penis through the ring, then the actual cage slips into the ring.

It takes a while - first time try it for less than an hour, check for chafing and sore spots, wait a day or two and try again.

You can get hard, but a smaller cage stops it before it starts. They also make straps to hold the cage against the body, but they can irritate the skin.

IMHO a resin cage is best. Look for one with a well place and big enough hole for you urethra. Otherwise it's messy and can smell.

A typical cage from Amazon or eBay should be less than $30. People here will swear by custom fit titanium but you are just playing and want to see what it feels like.

Hope this helps.

Oh so it's more just symbolic rather than an actual physical benefit to wearing one?

[venus-can99]

W I hope you beat the COVID infection and that its just a mild one. Look forward to more updates once you have kicked the infection to the curb

[Long Lurker 34]

Thank you for a frank response. I understand what you are saying, and how Lana's common sense would prevail at the end of the day.
All these things are reasonable. Being in love, has nothing to do with reasonable, and can be an overpowering behavioral determinant.
That's why I was asking.

Of course! I think Lana has been really expertly bifurcating what this lifestyle entails and also real life. It's like being in love for the first time when you're in high school, where you think all that you need is love and no matter what, you and your first love will always be together. But then reality hits and the world ultimately has different plans for you.

How would you feel if Lana and Shawn, being so in-love, wanted to have a baby?

It's hard to say, because it's such a purely hypothetical situation. Lana, more than anything, after she sees through the fog of excitement of this lifestyle, the jolt of New Relationship Energy, the butterflies of being in love, she is ultimately a practical person. There is no circumstance where she would have a baby with Shawn, as she thinks kids need both parents, and the logistics of his life being in California make that very unlikely.

How does California figure into the equation?

Well he has roots of friends and family (aside from his parents) in California, his work, etc. And Lana has the same but on the east coast. So moving across the country to essentially start over in a lot of ways is logistically improbable. So if they were to have a baby together, one of the baby's true parents would be in California and the other on the East coast.

Hi
I find that the highest level, and the most exciting in the cuckold lifestyle, is when there is love between the bull and the hotwife, but that it does not exceed the love between the hotwife and her husband.
The three of you are experiencing something great!

For the birthday, maybe you could actually be the servant for their meals, and have a chastity cage as well. I know you don't feel attracted to the idea, but maybe this would be an opportunity to try it for an evening and see what it does for you.....?

Good luck for the future !

I just don't think I can ever bring myself to wear one of those cage things. Every time I see a picture of it, it looks really painful. Is it supposed to enhance the excitement by denying the erection from taking place?

W
Thanks for all the updates. I hope everything works outs. You are in for a heck of a wild ride One thing that is certain from reading these forums is that anything is possible to happen in your relationship. It is hard to predict the future.
Lana's love of Shawn could be genuine or more NRE or a love of the best sex she has ever had or all of the above. You are allowing their love to expand and flourish even encouraging their growing love. Looking into the future Shawn may be a long term Bull that Lana sees periodically during the year in Cali with some vacations in the mix.
Shawn could move to the east coast and be a boyfriend that Lana sees often.
You 3 could enter a poly arrangement where you all live together.
Shawn could own Lana's pussy and they could decide that he is the main sexual partner and you get limited or no PIV sex
You and Shawn could develop a deeper sexual relationship
There are even threads where the wife had a child with the Bull after saying that would never happen
Anything is possible in the future. The forum has many threads where the relationship between the wife, husband and Bull/Lover have progressed into areas thought unimaginable in the beginning

You're right in the sense that I'm allowing their love to flourish because I feel that it's not a legitimate threat to the marriage. In a way, I see it as an enhanced version of puppy love, and I don't see it as something that will convince Lana to actually leave me. If I did sense that, I would call an end to the whole thing.

Update: Out of nowhere, I started feeling weak this afternoon and then started heating up to the point where I was sweating through my clothes. Craziest thing. Went to the doc and somehow I contracted Covid. The doc said that it's not that serious and that I would probably be able to shake it off in a week at the most. So lots of sleep, water, vitamins, and over the counter meds for the next few days. To prevent Lana getting it, I'll be sleeping in the second bedroom for the next few days too.

W770 - Too bad Shawn is continent away rather than just a floor.
- Get better soon.

[edgedndenied]

Get well W
Any chance when in the Dominican Republic you will be denied PIV but Lana my find someone she wants to have sex with.
Maybe asking Shawn for permission to fuck someone else which will establish his ownership of her pussy while you are still denied.

[rascalnvixen]

W, wishing you well and a quick recovery!!! You have all the incentive you could want to do all you can to overcome this illness!!! Now is NOT the time to be out of commission!!! Good luck!!!

Rascal

[KinkyB]

Get better!

And please don’t try to sweat Covid out. It needs to run its course and your chances of long term effects are lowest if you take it easy and just let your body do the work. It’s frustrating to just relax when you want it over with but that’s what you’ve gotta do with this.

[Open2it]

Get well soon!

[eventfire]

So what you're saying is that Lana is sans hubby for a week? Question: Does that vacancy need to be filled? It is my duty to step up and fill her void. The void.

[william70]

I would really like if Lana could answer this, but if not, so be it.
Lana, you have said you "love Shaun". Shaun has said that he is "in love with you".
You have said that your love for Shaun will grow stronger while he is there with you. Can I assume you will "be in love with Shaun" at that point?
At that point certain things take precedent. What I mean by that is, things change, especially if you both (you and Shaun) truly are "in love" with each other. Have you put any thought what those changes might look like?
As you and Shaun grow closer and closer together what's in it for Shaun? It feels to me like your relationship with Shaun is like a runaway train with no intent of slowing it down until it possibly crashes and causes real harm.
You have said you could call it quits IF w asked you to. Is Shaun just expected to fall off the map. I hope for Shaun's sake, that this is a conversation you both will have with him.
Anyway just some thoughts.

[3532734dreamer]

Get better!

And please don’t try to sweat Covid out. It needs to run its course and your chances of long term effects are lowest if you take it easy and just let your body do the work. It’s frustrating to just relax when you want it over with but that’s what you’ve gotta do with this.

W!

I'm going to have to agree with this advice!

You are sick! Please, listen to your wife!

[slenderfish]

Thanks everyone. I usually am able to kick these things pretty fast. I look at it like a personal challenge in fact. So tomorrow, assuming I have the energy, I'll get on the treadmill and sauna and try and sweat this thing out. Lana always begs me to take it easy and to relax, but I never listen. "I'm the only wife in the world that can't control their husband!"

I've tried the working it out/sweating it out with COVID and that strategy is more likely to backfire, as it did with me. You gotta rest, and then slowly and carefully build back up to full strength/effort. Just my experience...

[lovethis]

I think we forget that we want our wives to fuck other guys and keep their feelings separate. We think they are the privileged one for allowing them to sleep with other guys to satisfy our needs. They should be thankful for us allowing them. When all along they never had intentions of fucking others at all. The idea was put into them by the husband who has this kink. Your wife as a woman needs to be loved to fuck. She needs to be desired by the men we want them to fuck. We stoked the fire and do our best to put out flare ups as they happen. But at the end of the day having a robust relationship with open and honest communication will normally see positive outcomes. W is so envious of the physical prowess of Lana's past lovers and the fact that they can fuck her without the baggage. They have a bigger dick than you but it isn't in your wife 24/7 is it. Could I say that it is that same baggage why Lana loves you unconditionally and of course you are the father of that precious bundle of life and love she carries in her belly . I don't think Shawn is a threat that is going to whisk Lana away baby and all. He has a lot of living still to do being in his twenties. I still hope that when he is in town that you two continue to bond wink wink. I also think if you and Lana are on the same page and with confidence that your love is the ultimate and nothing can come between you it may be hot for you to encourage Shawn and Lana to love and have feelings for for each other. To watch them make love real love not just fucking could be so darn hot. This could test you but it could also give you a new level of cuckold.

W sending get well vibes from down under and please keep your wife and baby safe.

[octavian]

I would urge caution in respect of you trying to sweat out Covid. Take it easy for the few days you feel under the weather.

[user322]

BoBatty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:28 am
W, first of all get well from COVID.

On the cage, there are many kinds and many myths concerning them.

First of all - why wear a cage? A cage is symbolic in the sense that your orgasms are controlled, either by you or your key holder. It takes your dick out of the equation. For some with ED or a low sex drive it can take the stress out of "being ready". There is a blog post from a person called Denying Thumper and he does a much better job explaining it than anyone on this board. He tracks his locked up time and last year was locked all but something like 16 hours.

You can come in a cage - either a vibrator or prostate simulation can allow you to orgasm. The longer you wait the easier it gets.

Fit is important - if you want to start I suggest something like the cobra mini with three rings (around the scrotum). If your balls get cold or purple the ring is too small. If you can slip out too big. Most people use hand cream on their balls and penis, slip one ball, other ball and then penis through the ring, then the actual cage slips into the ring.

It takes a while - first time try it for less than an hour, check for chafing and sore spots, wait a day or two and try again.

You can get hard, but a smaller cage stops it before it starts. They also make straps to hold the cage against the body, but they can irritate the skin.

IMHO a resin cage is best. Look for one with a well place and big enough hole for you urethra. Otherwise it's messy and can smell.

A typical cage from Amazon or eBay should be less than $30. People here will swear by custom fit titanium but you are just playing and want to see what it feels like.

Hope this helps.
Oh so it's more just symbolic rather than an actual physical benefit to wearing one?

Yes, in fact it is really a symbol of total submission, nothing else. I've never seen anywhere that this kind of cage really hurts....
That's why I said to try, to see if symbolically it increases your submission, and creates a feeling of helplessness in the face of Shawn's sexual power, without creating torture for you.

But it's just a proposition, given the dynamic of submission that you seem to want to explore, it seemed to me to be something logical, but if it really doesn't give you any psychological pleasure it's useless......

You should talk about it with Lana to see what dynamic this creates for you.

[js117]

[...]

Well, Lana says that she gets the initial jealous feelings when she thinks of Shawn with that other girl, but then her more practical mindset takes over and she admits that she shouldn't feel that way.

Lana has always been told that she resembles a girl that I had to look up because I didn't know who it was, by the name of Elizabeth Turner. Shawn's fuckbuddy... hmm.. I've only seen one picture of her and I can't really think of someone distinct that she resembles other than the same girl that Lana resembles. She is incredibly attractive, however, Shawn outrightly admits that it's just sex and no deeper bond between them.

[...]

Wow! Somehow it's even hotter that Lana DOES feel jealous of Shawn with other girls, yet she's willing/able to set aside that jealousy for Shawn and not for you. I suspect it's since she loves you more deeply, but the net result still benefits Shawn, and seems like an extra form of tease/denial for you. Still, your sexually monogamous fate doesn't seem too bad: starting a family with a woman who's madly in love with you, who also happens to look like Elizabeth Turner sounds like a pretty sweet deal.

Since Shawn's fuckbuddy closely resembles Lana, has he ever fantasized about Lana while he's fucking the other girl? If so, I bet that would be a fun ego boost for Lana!

In any case, Shawn's gonna have a threesome with Elizabeth Turner and Helen Owen! Crazy. 

I hope you recover soon with no complications!

[Polleny]

Thanks everyone. I usually am able to kick these things pretty fast. I look at it like a personal challenge in fact. So tomorrow, assuming I have the energy, I'll get on the treadmill and sauna and try and sweat this thing out. Lana always begs me to take it easy and to relax, but I never listen. "I'm the only wife in the world that can't control their husband!"

Welcome to the club. I’m pretty sure it’s Covid that haunted me for the past 3–4 weeks and I’m still not well. Please be careful, it doesn’t feel like a big deal when you’re trying to exercise your illness away, but it is your life you’re putting at stake. And now your life belongs not only to you but also to your child that you haven’t even met yet and believe me, that meeting is not something you want to miss. You will know what I mean when you met your child, but not until then. So please take it easy.

Thank you again for bringing us along on your journey and good luck with everything. There are big things about to happen.

God bless all four of you.

Polleny

[w770]

Thank you for a frank response. I understand what you are saying, and how Lana's common sense would prevail at the end of the day.
All these things are reasonable. Being in love, has nothing to do with reasonable, and can be an overpowering behavioral determinant.
That's why I was asking.

Of course! I think Lana has been really expertly bifurcating what this lifestyle entails and also real life. It's like being in love for the first time when you're in high school, where you think all that you need is love and no matter what, you and your first love will always be together. But then reality hits and the world ultimately has different plans for you.

It's hard to say, because it's such a purely hypothetical situation. Lana, more than anything, after she sees through the fog of excitement of this lifestyle, the jolt of New Relationship Energy, the butterflies of being in love, she is ultimately a practical person. There is no circumstance where she would have a baby with Shawn, as she thinks kids need both parents, and the logistics of his life being in California make that very unlikely.

How does California figure into the equation?

Well he has roots of friends and family (aside from his parents) in California, his work, etc. And Lana has the same but on the east coast. So moving across the country to essentially start over in a lot of ways is logistically improbable. So if they were to have a baby together, one of the baby's true parents would be in California and the other on the East coast.

Hi
I find that the highest level, and the most exciting in the cuckold lifestyle, is when there is love between the bull and the hotwife, but that it does not exceed the love between the hotwife and her husband.
The three of you are experiencing something great!

For the birthday, maybe you could actually be the servant for their meals, and have a chastity cage as well. I know you don't feel attracted to the idea, but maybe this would be an opportunity to try it for an evening and see what it does for you.....?

Good luck for the future !

I just don't think I can ever bring myself to wear one of those cage things. Every time I see a picture of it, it looks really painful. Is it supposed to enhance the excitement by denying the erection from taking place?

W
Thanks for all the updates. I hope everything works outs. You are in for a heck of a wild ride One thing that is certain from reading these forums is that anything is possible to happen in your relationship. It is hard to predict the future.
Lana's love of Shawn could be genuine or more NRE or a love of the best sex she has ever had or all of the above. You are allowing their love to expand and flourish even encouraging their growing love. Looking into the future Shawn may be a long term Bull that Lana sees periodically during the year in Cali with some vacations in the mix.
Shawn could move to the east coast and be a boyfriend that Lana sees often.
You 3 could enter a poly arrangement where you all live together.
Shawn could own Lana's pussy and they could decide that he is the main sexual partner and you get limited or no PIV sex
You and Shawn could develop a deeper sexual relationship
There are even threads where the wife had a child with the Bull after saying that would never happen
Anything is possible in the future. The forum has many threads where the relationship between the wife, husband and Bull/Lover have progressed into areas thought unimaginable in the beginning

You're right in the sense that I'm allowing their love to flourish because I feel that it's not a legitimate threat to the marriage. In a way, I see it as an enhanced version of puppy love, and I don't see it as something that will convince Lana to actually leave me. If I did sense that, I would call an end to the whole thing.

Update: Out of nowhere, I started feeling weak this afternoon and then started heating up to the point where I was sweating through my clothes. Craziest thing. Went to the doc and somehow I contracted Covid. The doc said that it's not that serious and that I would probably be able to shake it off in a week at the most. So lots of sleep, water, vitamins, and over the counter meds for the next few days. To prevent Lana getting it, I'll be sleeping in the second bedroom for the next few days too.

Oh noooo!

I was going to wish you and Lana a nice week and a great week next week on your baby-moon. But now this..

Hope you get well quickly so you can enjoy next week. And really hope Lana doesn't get sick!

W I hope you beat the COVID infection and that its just a mild one. Look forward to more updates once you have kicked the infection to the curb

Thank you for a frank response. I understand what you are saying, and how Lana's common sense would prevail at the end of the day.
All these things are reasonable. Being in love, has nothing to do with reasonable, and can be an overpowering behavioral determinant.
That's why I was asking.

Of course! I think Lana has been really expertly bifurcating what this lifestyle entails and also real life. It's like being in love for the first time when you're in high school, where you think all that you need is love and no matter what, you and your first love will always be together. But then reality hits and the world ultimately has different plans for you.

It's hard to say, because it's such a purely hypothetical situation. Lana, more than anything, after she sees through the fog of excitement of this lifestyle, the jolt of New Relationship Energy, the butterflies of being in love, she is ultimately a practical person. There is no circumstance where she would have a baby with Shawn, as she thinks kids need both parents, and the logistics of his life being in California make that very unlikely.

How does California figure into the equation?

Well he has roots of friends and family (aside from his parents) in California, his work, etc. And Lana has the same but on the east coast. So moving across the country to essentially start over in a lot of ways is logistically improbable. So if they were to have a baby together, one of the baby's true parents would be in California and the other on the East coast.

Hi
I find that the highest level, and the most exciting in the cuckold lifestyle, is when there is love between the bull and the hotwife, but that it does not exceed the love between the hotwife and her husband.
The three of you are experiencing something great!

For the birthday, maybe you could actually be the servant for their meals, and have a chastity cage as well. I know you don't feel attracted to the idea, but maybe this would be an opportunity to try it for an evening and see what it does for you.....?

Good luck for the future !

I just don't think I can ever bring myself to wear one of those cage things. Every time I see a picture of it, it looks really painful. Is it supposed to enhance the excitement by denying the erection from taking place?

W
Thanks for all the updates. I hope everything works outs. You are in for a heck of a wild ride One thing that is certain from reading these forums is that anything is possible to happen in your relationship. It is hard to predict the future.
Lana's love of Shawn could be genuine or more NRE or a love of the best sex she has ever had or all of the above. You are allowing their love to expand and flourish even encouraging their growing love. Looking into the future Shawn may be a long term Bull that Lana sees periodically during the year in Cali with some vacations in the mix.
Shawn could move to the east coast and be a boyfriend that Lana sees often.
You 3 could enter a poly arrangement where you all live together.
Shawn could own Lana's pussy and they could decide that he is the main sexual partner and you get limited or no PIV sex
You and Shawn could develop a deeper sexual relationship
There are even threads where the wife had a child with the Bull after saying that would never happen
Anything is possible in the future. The forum has many threads where the relationship between the wife, husband and Bull/Lover have progressed into areas thought unimaginable in the beginning

You're right in the sense that I'm allowing their love to flourish because I feel that it's not a legitimate threat to the marriage. In a way, I see it as an enhanced version of puppy love, and I don't see it as something that will convince Lana to actually leave me. If I did sense that, I would call an end to the whole thing.

Update: Out of nowhere, I started feeling weak this afternoon and then started heating up to the point where I was sweating through my clothes. Craziest thing. Went to the doc and somehow I contracted Covid. The doc said that it's not that serious and that I would probably be able to shake it off in a week at the most. So lots of sleep, water, vitamins, and over the counter meds for the next few days. To prevent Lana getting it, I'll be sleeping in the second bedroom for the next few days too.

W770 - Too bad Shawn is continent away rather than just a floor.
- Get better soon.

Get well W
Any chance when in the Dominican Republic you will be denied PIV but Lana my find someone she wants to have sex with.
Maybe asking Shawn for permission to fuck someone else which will establish his ownership of her pussy while you are still denied.

W, wishing you well and a quick recovery!!! You have all the incentive you could want to do all you can to overcome this illness!!! Now is NOT the time to be out of commission!!! Good luck!!!

Rascal

Get better!

And please don’t try to sweat Covid out. It needs to run its course and your chances of long term effects are lowest if you take it easy and just let your body do the work. It’s frustrating to just relax when you want it over with but that’s what you’ve gotta do with this.

Get well soon!

So what you're saying is that Lana is sans hubby for a week? Question: Does that vacancy need to be filled? It is my duty to step up and fill her void. The void.

Get better!

And please don’t try to sweat Covid out. It needs to run its course and your chances of long term effects are lowest if you take it easy and just let your body do the work. It’s frustrating to just relax when you want it over with but that’s what you’ve gotta do with this.

W!

I'm going to have to agree with this advice!

You are sick! Please, listen to your wife!

Thanks everyone. I usually am able to kick these things pretty fast. I look at it like a personal challenge in fact. So tomorrow, assuming I have the energy, I'll get on the treadmill and sauna and try and sweat this thing out. Lana always begs me to take it easy and to relax, but I never listen. "I'm the only wife in the world that can't control their husband!"

I've tried the working it out/sweating it out with COVID and that strategy is more likely to backfire, as it did with me. You gotta rest, and then slowly and carefully build back up to full strength/effort. Just my experience...

I would urge caution in respect of you trying to sweat out Covid. Take it easy for the few days you feel under the weather.

[...]

Well, Lana says that she gets the initial jealous feelings when she thinks of Shawn with that other girl, but then her more practical mindset takes over and she admits that she shouldn't feel that way.

Lana has always been told that she resembles a girl that I had to look up because I didn't know who it was, by the name of Elizabeth Turner. Shawn's fuckbuddy... hmm.. I've only seen one picture of her and I can't really think of someone distinct that she resembles other than the same girl that Lana resembles. She is incredibly attractive, however, Shawn outrightly admits that it's just sex and no deeper bond between them.

[...]

Wow! Somehow it's even hotter that Lana DOES feel jealous of Shawn with other girls, yet she's willing/able to set aside that jealousy for Shawn and not for you. I suspect it's since she loves you more deeply, but the net result still benefits Shawn, and seems like an extra form of tease/denial for you. Still, your sexually monogamous fate doesn't seem too bad: starting a family with a woman who's madly in love with you, who also happens to look like Elizabeth Turner sounds like a pretty sweet deal.

Since Shawn's fuckbuddy closely resembles Lana, has he ever fantasized about Lana while he's fucking the other girl? If so, I bet that would be a fun ego boost for Lana!

In any case, Shawn's gonna have a threesome with Elizabeth Turner and Helen Owen! Crazy.

I hope you recover soon with no complications!

Thanks everyone. I usually am able to kick these things pretty fast. I look at it like a personal challenge in fact. So tomorrow, assuming I have the energy, I'll get on the treadmill and sauna and try and sweat this thing out. Lana always begs me to take it easy and to relax, but I never listen. "I'm the only wife in the world that can't control their husband!"

Welcome to the club. I’m pretty sure it’s Covid that haunted me for the past 3–4 weeks and I’m still not well. Please be careful, it doesn’t feel like a big deal when you’re trying to exercise your illness away, but it is your life you’re putting at stake. And now your life belongs not only to you but also to your child that you haven’t even met yet and believe me, that meeting is not something you want to miss. You will know what I mean when you met your child, but not until then. So please take it easy.

Thank you again for bringing us along on your journey and good luck with everything. There are big things about to happen.

God bless all four of you.

Polleny

Thanks everyone for the well wishes. I took the advice of the crowd and avoided the treadmill the last 2 days. And probably out of necessity, as I was finding it hard to stand in the first 24 hours, and was still drained of most of my energy in the next 24 hours. But I still did the sauna both days and am feeling pretty much back to normal today. Unfortunately, Lana is now sick. I must've passed it to her at some point without realizing it as we were both trying to be really careful. But hopefully it moves fast with her as it did with me. I've just been busy working and taking care of her today like she was busy working and taking care of me the last two days.

I would really like if Lana could answer this, but if not, so be it.
Lana, you have said you "love Shaun". Shaun has said that he is "in love with you".
You have said that your love for Shaun will grow stronger while he is there with you. Can I assume you will "be in love with Shaun" at that point?
At that point certain things take precedent. What I mean by that is, things change, especially if you both (you and Shaun) truly are "in love" with each other. Have you put any thought what those changes might look like?
As you and Shaun grow closer and closer together what's in it for Shaun? It feels to me like your relationship with Shaun is like a runaway train with no intent of slowing it down until it possibly crashes and causes real harm.
You have said you could call it quits IF w asked you to. Is Shaun just expected to fall off the map. I hope for Shaun's sake, that this is a conversation you both will have with him.
Anyway just some thoughts.

I'll try and remember to ask her when she's feeling better as I don't think she'll be in the mood to talk about sex and love and lifestyle related things at the moment.

I think we forget that we want our wives to fuck other guys and keep their feelings separate. We think they are the privileged one for allowing them to sleep with other guys to satisfy our needs. They should be thankful for us allowing them. When all along they never had intentions of fucking others at all. The idea was put into them by the husband who has this kink. Your wife as a woman needs to be loved to fuck. She needs to be desired by the men we want them to fuck. We stoked the fire and do our best to put out flare ups as they happen. But at the end of the day having a robust relationship with open and honest communication will normally see positive outcomes. W is so envious of the physical prowess of Lana's past lovers and the fact that they can fuck her without the baggage. They have a bigger dick than you but it isn't in your wife 24/7 is it. Could I say that it is that same baggage why Lana loves you unconditionally and of course you are the father of that precious bundle of life and love she carries in her belly . I don't think Shawn is a threat that is going to whisk Lana away baby and all. He has a lot of living still to do being in his twenties. I still hope that when he is in town that you two continue to bond wink wink. I also think if you and Lana are on the same page and with confidence that your love is the ultimate and nothing can come between you it may be hot for you to encourage Shawn and Lana to love and have feelings for for each other. To watch them make love real love not just fucking could be so darn hot. This could test you but it could also give you a new level of cuckold.

W sending get well vibes from down under and please keep your wife and baby safe.

You're very right. I think if either of us doubted the rock steadiness of our marriage, we wouldn't have put it through the stress of this lifestyle.

Update: Like I mentioned above, Lana is now under the weather, so I've been taking care of her all day while she sleeps, takes her vitamins, and watches her stupid reality tv shows. On another note, it's been quite a while since I've cum and I feel that Shawn senses the opportunity to tease me about it. He's sent me a few messages, asking me if I'll be up to have fun tonight - accompanied with a picture of him shirtless in a pair of sweatpants clearly without any underwear, sporting a massive erection. "you know I'm trying not to cum, right?" "Oh I know. Not until I've filled your wife's tight pussy up. But lets just have some fun."

Given that it's been as long as it has since I've cum, I don't know if I want to push the limit.

[Dream Weaver]

You're very right. I think if either of us doubted the rock steadiness of our marriage, we wouldn't have put it through the stress of this lifestyle.

Update: Like I mentioned above, Lana is now under the weather, so I've been taking care of her all day while she sleeps, takes her vitamins, and watches her stupid reality tv shows. On another note, it's been quite a while since I've cum and I feel that Shawn senses the opportunity to tease me about it. He's sent me a few messages, asking me if I'll be up to have fun tonight - accompanied with a picture of him shirtless in a pair of sweatpants clearly without any underwear, sporting a massive erection. "you know I'm trying not to cum, right?" "Oh I know. Not until I've filled your wife's tight pussy up. But lets just have some fun."

Given that it's been as long as it has since I've cum, I don't know if I want to push the limit.

I think it's super super obvious his next steps in your de-masculation in front of your wife. He's priming the pump for you to be his bottom where she can see it. He's seducing you.

[tojanman]

Nah. Shawn just gets off on the power dynamic that’s been established and enjoys teasing W about it. If Shawn doesn’t want to fuck Lana’s ass, he’s not going to want W’s either.

Although I wonder how Shawn would react if, when he slipped Lana’s panties down for the first time, he found her wearing her plug.