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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by shesmypornstar » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:27 am

Chrislydi wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:12 am
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There is a good chance, lets say 50/50, that I won't be available for that trip (due to work) but my wife would still be committed to going out of town, putting them both in the same hotel while I'm gone doing something else. Thoughts?

I know it was another long post, maybe a lot of nothing, maybe not. Thanks for following along.
It's more than obvious from your posts that you're both excited by the prospect. So let's think what's probable, given that you're now living 24/7 with your wife, then you'll almost certainly know that in such a situation secrets are extremely hard to keep hidden. Body language or what's not been said or avoided can just as plainly give intentions away. Despite the nominal period of silence, it would be my guess you both know within a small margin of error exactly how the other feels. You may as well talk about him now and the potential for meetings without your presence, at least then any misconceptions on each others feelings can be eliminated and various possible future scenarios discussed.
In general I agree with the thought that despite not talking about the topic, we both likely know how the other is feeling about it. The only reservation I have in regards to my assessment of how she's really feeling is that I'm likely substituting my hopes in place of reality. Thats part of why I ask for the opinions and assessment of the board.

To your second point of talking about expectations etc. I can say without any doubt that she knows she has the green light whenever, wherever. Shes had it for a long time and even after we agreed not to talk about this lifestyle I made it clear that shes welcome to do whatever she wants if she changes her mind. I also have concerns that if i bring it up she'll back off the idea.

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by Chrislydi » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:58 am

shesmypornstar wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:27 am

To your second point of talking about expectations etc. I can say without any doubt that she knows she has the green light whenever, wherever. Shes had it for a long time and even after we agreed not to talk about this lifestyle I made it clear that shes welcome to do whatever she wants if she changes her mind. I also have concerns that if i bring it up she'll back off the idea.
Yes I've no doubt at all she must know about the hall pass bit but there are several scenarios and eventualities that could arise from her taking such largely predictable, or at least possible, steps. By having the 'what if A followed by B happens: and the 'how might it affect things' discussion, you may both get a better grounding on what's possible and what is maybe too far, especially at this early stage. To leave it completely open, and in effect to chance and fortune, may even make your wife worry whether despite your words she's being too reckless. There may also be consequences you would wish to avoid around who knows etc.
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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by shesmypornstar » Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:13 am

We were out this weekend with a group and they had a little bit of time together without me around. Just some talking and socializing but I wasn't there for most of it. After we get home she asked me how I felt about it. In the past I always played it off like it didn't bother me and that I didn't really think about it. This time I told her that I was wondering if they were flirting, how much she was enjoying some time to talk with him, etc. To my surprise she was happy to hear that I was actively thinking about it, and that it may have made me jealous. Her actual words were "good, i like knowing that you care and that I still make you jealous". I told her that I've always been jealous, but that because I wanted her to hook up with someone I just played it off.

She says "well i know I brought it up, but i wanted to see how you felt" So i tell her its ok, we can talk about this if you want. She proceeds to tell me that we can start talking about it again, but we need a little more time without diving right in. Ok, no problem, we'll move on her terms.

My rational thoughts tell me that she doesn't mind playing and talking about the idea, she just wanted and still wants time away from it to break a bad habit that we had. My more sinister thoughts wonder if she needed time away from it because she really really started to like the idea of being with him (i already know she was thinking of him every-time she had an orgasm), OR, does she want to ensure that I'm increasingly attached to her and therefore jealous so that she can truly cuck me when it becomes something that she wants more than i do.

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by Brute » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:16 pm

I really enjoy your posts, and your evaluations of gentle dance you two are doing on the topic.

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by shesmypornstar » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:31 am

Brute wrote:
Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:16 pm
I really enjoy your posts, and your evaluations of gentle dance you two are doing on the topic.
Thanks! I'm sure it doesn't seem like much, but if she does eventually make me her cuck it will be interesting to reread how we got there.

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by shesmypornstar » Thu May 12, 2022 5:19 am

Last week I was feeling horny but we had some family in town staying the night so my wife decided to help me out with a hand-job before bed. Her giving me a hand-job has always been the time where she teases me and tells me stories or fantasies that she has about other guys, but as you know we've gotten away from that topic over the past few months. However, because she has continued to drop little hints or teases and recently said that we can eventually get back to talking about her being with other guys I decided to make a push for it. So she tells me that talking about her neighborhood crush kind of makes her uncomfortable but she did come up with a little story about the handyman coming over while she jerked me off. It got the job done but I can't say that i wasn't thinking about something else in my own head while she was telling me her story and jerking me off.

So we're laying there afterwards for a few minutes and she asks me what I was thinking. I told her that I wanted to know why talking about her neighborhood crush makes her feel uncomfortable. Her obvious response was that its weird talking about him sexually in front of me then having to interact with him out in public and that shes felt that way at least once before in the past. OK, makes sense but I still think to myself "then why do you keep dropping small teases when you don't want me to talk about him or ask about it"

Anyway, I say ok that I get it and proceed to let it go. Then right before she turns over and goes to bed she says, and this is the reason for my post today "don''t' worry daddy, you'll have plenty of time to think about me and him together and how you manifested all of this in your head while you're sitting at our wedding" Holy shit! Talk about a mind-fuck. You tease me about him but I can't bring it up, you tell me that you're uncomfortable talking about him like that then do exactly that right after you made me cum and know that i'm looking to have a serious talk rather than looking for something that would get me off? Wow, she could've ended the handjob in 30 seconds if she would've lead with that, but insists on teasing me with him only when I'm not looking for it. Amazingly hot, continuously confusing.

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by FNQLivin » Thu May 12, 2022 5:26 am

That is so hot

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by FNQLivin » Thu May 12, 2022 11:19 am

How old are you both?

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Unread post by shesmypornstar » Thu May 12, 2022 11:23 am

Both 36

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by FNQLivin » Thu May 12, 2022 11:42 am

Your posts are both extremely exciting and terrifying. As someone pointed out earlier, if she cannot see herself as non monogamous, then her seeing someone else means she’s not with you. With kids involved that’s a scary thought. If she can seperate love and sex or be happy with multiple partners who she can have feelings for, then it’s not so risky.

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by shesmypornstar » Thu May 12, 2022 12:03 pm

I agree that the unknown on her end is a bit terrifying. To expand a bit on why I'm so confused on whats going on in her head....she has entertained me with this idea for years and years. Never saying that she'd do it or that she was open to it, but she did tease me and make up stories to make me happy. That said, our relationship was average at best, and at times we were very close to calling it quits (for other reasons). The past 3-4 months have probably been the best months of our relationship since the early years of being together. That has nothing to do with her new take on this topic and has way more to do about my attitude and the effort that I'm putting into us.

So now that things are better than they've been in our relationship in a long long time she won't entertain me with the topic, but continuously teases me or drops hints when I'm not looking for it. Part of me thinks that this is her way to keep me mildly entertained with something that I've wanted for so long. The other part of me feels like I'm being set up for her to do this 100% on her terms when we're good and I'm not asking or expecting it.

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Unread post by FNQLivin » Thu May 12, 2022 12:10 pm

I see the dilemma. But best to work on you both first. And not for weeks or months, but years. You don’t want to play with fire when it would take is an argument for her to call it quits, especially if she has a potential suitor already lined up. Make it so that you’re her rock and all anyone else could be is just a bit of fun.

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by shesmypornstar » Sun May 15, 2022 5:29 pm

Her neighborhood crush is now single. Should be interesting to see how or if this changes anything in the way she acts and talks around him.

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by FNQLivin » Sun May 15, 2022 5:47 pm

shesmypornstar wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 5:29 pm
Her neighborhood crush is now single. Should be interesting to see how or if this changes anything in the way she acts and talks around him.
A bit scary for you though?

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by shesmypornstar » Sun May 15, 2022 6:10 pm

FNQLivin wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 5:47 pm
shesmypornstar wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 5:29 pm
Her neighborhood crush is now single. Should be interesting to see how or if this changes anything in the way she acts and talks around him.
A bit scary for you though?
A bit but I still do have a lot of trust in her. I don't think anything will change or come of it, but this is the first time she's had interest in a person that was available and local. IF anything were to come of it, I honestly think that the improvements in our relationship would encourage her to have some fun while staying here in our relationship.

I know you said to give it time, years even to ensure the relationship is on solid footing, and I don't disagree. But for some reason my gut just leads me to believe she might finally find herself going for the best of both instead of leaving for a new relationship.

In either case, I'm not making a push for anything, and if she brought it up I"m not sure what I'd say. For the time being I'm just going to sit back and see what, if anything happens.

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by Chrislydi » Sun May 15, 2022 8:38 pm

You can be encouraging while still communicating your worries and reservations, it doesn't have to be an either/or choice. If you're ultra confident in your own relationship and her staying you can lean on encouraging her more than anything. It depends how insecure you are, if there are real doubts then this might not be the right time.
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Unread post by troilusand » Wed May 18, 2022 6:01 pm

Why not ask her to elaborate on the story of you sitting there at their wedding? You can ask about it for another handjob session. or bring it up at the breakfast table over coffee. Either way, I wouldn't let THAT opportunity to figure out what she's thinking slip by, if I were you.

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by shesmypornstar » Wed May 18, 2022 7:16 pm

troilusand wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 6:01 pm
Why not ask her to elaborate on the story of you sitting there at their wedding? You can ask about it for another handjob session. or bring it up at the breakfast table over coffee. Either way, I wouldn't let THAT opportunity to figure out what she's thinking slip by, if I were you.

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Thats a great point and I"m not sure how I let that slip without asking for more. Probably due to my new habit of not talking about it. I'll see if I can find a way to bring it up.

On another note we were having sex last night and she asked me if I wanted her to choke me which we don't really do much of. I said no but you can be a bitch if you want to. She told me she can't be a bitch because I'd cum in 30 seconds. I said oh yea? Her response was "lets just say you're lucky that you started treating me better when you did or else I'd be with him right now considering I finally have the opportunity" Yep that did it, we had been going at it for 20 mins or so but once she said that I came hard.

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by Brute » Wed May 18, 2022 8:05 pm

shesmypornstar wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 7:16 pm
On another note we were having sex last night and she asked me if I wanted her to choke me which we don't really do much of. I said no but you can be a bitch if you want to. She told me she can't be a bitch because I'd cum in 30 seconds. I said oh yea? Her response was "lets just say you're lucky that you started treating me better when you did or else I'd be with him right now considering I finally have the opportunity" Yep that did it, we had been going at it for 20 mins or so but once she said that I came hard.

Your telling this story is making me fond of your wife.

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by Chrislydi » Wed May 18, 2022 8:42 pm

shesmypornstar wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 7:16 pm
troilusand wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 6:01 pm
Why not ask her to elaborate on the story of you sitting there at their wedding? You can ask about it for another handjob session. or bring it up at the breakfast table over coffee. Either way, I wouldn't let THAT opportunity to figure out what she's thinking slip by, if I were you.

Troilus
Thats a great point and I"m not sure how I let that slip without asking for more. Probably due to my new habit of not talking about it. I'll see if I can find a way to bring it up.

On another note we were having sex last night and she asked me if I wanted her to choke me which we don't really do much of. I said no but you can be a bitch if you want to. She told me she can't be a bitch because I'd cum in 30 seconds. I said oh yea? Her response was "lets just say you're lucky that you started treating me better when you did or else I'd be with him right now considering I finally have the opportunity" Yep that did it, we had been going at it for 20 mins or so but once she said that I came hard.
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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by troilusand » Sun May 22, 2022 2:37 pm

shesmypornstar wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 7:16 pm
troilusand wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 6:01 pm
Why not ask her to elaborate on the story of you sitting there at their wedding? You can ask about it for another handjob session. or bring it up at the breakfast table over coffee. Either way, I wouldn't let THAT opportunity to figure out what she's thinking slip by, if I were you.

Troilus
Thats a great point and I"m not sure how I let that slip without asking for more. Probably due to my new habit of not talking about it. I'll see if I can find a way to bring it up.

On another note we were having sex last night and she asked me if I wanted her to choke me which we don't really do much of. I said no but you can be a bitch if you want to. She told me she can't be a bitch because I'd cum in 30 seconds. I said oh yea? Her response was "lets just say you're lucky that you started treating me better when you did or else I'd be with him right now considering I finally have the opportunity" Yep that did it, we had been going at it for 20 mins or so but once she said that I came hard.
Also, when the topic comes up again, you can remind her of this encounter and say, "Hmmm, so if I start treating you worse, I can get my fantasy fulfilled?"

Have fun,

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by larryt » Mon May 23, 2022 6:41 am

Given what you’ve said about her feeling that she can’t count on you in the long term, I wonder if she feels that you might be trying to get rid of her?

And maybe she sees jealousy as a sign that you care?

But perhaps jealousy for you turns into hornyness, as it does with many cuckolds. If so, you should tell her this! It would be hot if she took some tiny steps to make you jealous by flirting with the neighbor. Do you know him well enough to invite him for dinner or something?

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by shesmypornstar » Mon May 23, 2022 9:58 am

larryt wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 6:41 am
Given what you’ve said about her feeling that she can’t count on you in the long term, I wonder if she feels that you might be trying to get rid of her?

And maybe she sees jealousy as a sign that you care?

But perhaps jealousy for you turns into hornyness, as it does with many cuckolds. If so, you should tell her this! It would be hot if she took some tiny steps to make you jealous by flirting with the neighbor. Do you know him well enough to invite him for dinner or something?
I don't think she sees this as my attempt to get rid of her, but in general she just didn't have confidence in my commitment to being around long term. Her thoughts are certainly justified. Although I've spent the better part of 10 years wishing she'd be my hotwife or turn me into a cuck, I've spent my fair share of time looking at other women, talking about other women and basically acting more like a "hothusband" if that's a term.

Our dynamic in that sense just grew naturally out of the way our friendship developed into a relationship. Before we dated I would talk about other girls, she would point out other girls (knowing I would find them anyway) and she always just handled it so well that when our friendship turned into a relationship and eventually a marriage she didn't really ask me to stop the talks, jokes or giving the looks and it just continued. Looking back at it I don't feel great about it at all. On one hand its great to be so open and comfortable with each other, on the other hand it was disrespectful and lead to her feelings that I would eventually leave her for someone else.

That all said, when I first brought up the idea of her becoming a hotwife it was because I was wanting her to do something to get my attention and focus 100% back on her. I wanted to stop being distracted, I wanted to feel heavy attraction, angst and even some vulnerability in our relationship. For years she just took that as a sign that I wasn't capable of being jealous and that I just wanted her to turn me on. The reality was that not only is the nature of her becoming a hotwife and gaining confidence in herself a turn-on, but the jealousy that would come of it enhanced that turn-on so much more. I know that she now knows that, and she feels satisfaction and has gained confidence in the fact that she can make me jealous.

So as Ive mentioned, our relationship over the past few months has been better than ever because I've put a lot more focus and energy on her and done more to assure her that shes in a stable and loving relationship. Whats kind of bothering me now (and this is 100% my own issue, and likely not a legitimate issue to her or most others) is that I haven't been able to give her a big earth shattering orgasm in almost 2 months AND she rarely seems to WANT sex. Now let me elaborate a bit. We've probably been having 2-3 times more sex in the past few months than we had been having, she enjoys it and does claim to have smaller orgasms which she says fulfills her need. But, although shes willing to have sex and doesn't not want to, she doesn't actually WANT it and never seems to be horny and needing it. And in terms of her big orgasms she use to have them every other time or every third time we would have sex, but now we've gone nearly two months without her having the really big one that either leaves her asking for more or too tired to go on.

It bothers me because A) sex for US has always been very important to me and B) if I've become a better husband and partner, my hope is that my spouse WANTS to have sex with me more and isn't just a spouse that is more willing to have sex than she was before... I hope that makes sense. In a way its hurting my confidence a bit and making me question myself or her sexual happiness and makes me feel a bit like a cuck without actually being a cuck. From beginning to end this is all probably me just overthinking, but trying to figure this thing out one way or another sure makes for a wild ride.

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Re: she has feelings?

Unread post by Chrislydi » Mon May 23, 2022 10:53 am

That's pretty well done shesmyporntar, the situation is so contrary to what might be expected, and not only that but extremely difficult to simplify enough to make it easily understandable.

My understanding is the frequency of sex has increased but not the frequency of her actually wanting sex, and with increased frequency, her earth shattering orgasms have all but disappeared. This has affected your self confidence and made you question yourself in the traditional role, giving rise to exploring or possibly developing potential cuck feelings.

i think you might need a psychologist to get to the bottom of that, it's so complicated and goes in a completely contrary direction to the one you might expect. When she was having these earth shattering orgasms every one in two or three times of having sex, you actually had sex far less frequently because of the integral problems of trust you described from earlier in your relationship. Does then increased frequency bring a feeling for her of same old, same old, lowering excitement and not really making it a very attractive proposition, never mind actually wanting it?

It sounds so intrusive but were you formerly more adventurous and maybe kinky when having sex far more infrequently? Perhaps it was formerly more of an occasion, you put in more effort to please and because it was a rarer event the excitement was greater, and the sense of wanting it higher and more intense?

Just my immediate thoughts, maybe counselling both individually might get to the root causes.

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